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Posted: November 29, 2013, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

seemill,

Taking a wild guess I'll say your concept of 'betting with the house' is betting the Don't on crap tables or betting Bank in mini-baccarat or 'Big Bac.'

Both are total misconceptions among tourists because the house is booking that action also. When the shooter rolls a 7 or 11 on the come out, or makes their point, the Don't loses.

Same for Baccarat, when Player wins, bank loses.

"Custer was a Don't bettor" -

Stick call

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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    Posted: November 29, 2013, 6:16 pm - IP Logged

    What's a Ding-Dong? Is that nice?

    I am not sure, perhaps its similar to a Schling-Schlong?


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      Posted: November 29, 2013, 6:24 pm - IP Logged

      He came through the door walking and talking like a duck.

      More experienced members can see it and hear it maybe or perhaps it's just me discerning certain pantomimes (explained later).

      But the fact is, I didn't respond to his opening question. I sensed what was coming but I didn't respond because of gentlemanly discretion and "benefit of the doubt" and all that kinda stuff.

      I responded to his second post however, which didn't contain a question, only an insult to our collective intelligence for failing to heed his admonitions and answer his questions because we're obviously a bunch of rubes who don't know what the hell we're doing. It's really boilerplate stuff after you've witnessed it enough.

      Sometimes I feel like Vincenzo, (played by Christopher Walken) in what I consider one of the greatest movies of all time, True Romance.

      Vincenzo is a Mafia Enforcer in the movie and in a scene with Clifford Worley (Dennis Hopper), he explains how Sicilians are the greatest liars in the world and how they are also the best at telling when someone is lying. He says men have 17 certain "tells" called "pantomimes" that they exhibit when they're lying. In questioning Clifford about some stolen narcotics he told Clifford that he was showing him a lot but wasn't telling him what he wanted to know, so he punched him in the nose (and later put a few bullets in his head).

      Here's the scene: 

      http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/10-scenes-we-love-from-true-romance.php (Go to the "Clifford" Scene at the 5:00 minute mark for the exact scene but don't go past the 6:00 minute mark if you're offended by offensive, racially charged language)

      So anyway, long story short, I read Jack's pantomimes and saw that he was showing me a lot but wasn't telling us what we wanted to know.

      So I punched him in the nose.

      Perhaps you are the only rube? 

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      Those stats are quite rubish and rubbish.

       

       

       Maybe it was just you being paranoid?

      Maybe you just had too many whiskeys for breakfast.?

      I'm just saying, you came across kinda high strung, guns blazing, not so neighborly. 

        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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        Posted: November 29, 2013, 8:55 pm - IP Logged

        Perhaps you are the only rube? 

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        Those stats are quite rubish and rubbish.

         

         

         Maybe it was just you being paranoid?

        Maybe you just had too many whiskeys for breakfast.?

        I'm just saying, you came across kinda high strung, guns blazing, not so neighborly. 

        "Perhaps you are the only rube?" 

        No, LottoBonehead, you fell for it, you're the rube.

        "I'm just saying, you came across kinda high strung, guns blazing, not so neighborly." 

        Not at all but give it time, after you've been here a while you won't be nearly so gullible.

        And you seem to be obsessed with the fact that Coin Toss and I don't choose to predict numbers. Why is that? 

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          Posted: November 29, 2013, 9:31 pm - IP Logged

          That jonson fellow went through and gave a bunch of posts a one star rating, odd he didn't rate this one.

          Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

          For a lead role in a cage?

           

                                                      From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            Posted: November 29, 2013, 9:37 pm - IP Logged

            That jonson fellow went through and gave a bunch of posts a one star rating, odd he didn't rate this one.

            Yes, that's very queer to say the least.

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              Posted: November 29, 2013, 9:40 pm - IP Logged

              Yes, that's very queer to say the least.

              Amazing how some people think we just fell off the turnip truck.

              Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

              For a lead role in a cage?

               

                                                          From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                Posted: November 30, 2013, 8:02 pm - IP Logged

                That jonson fellow went through and gave a bunch of posts a one star rating, odd he didn't rate this one.

                Maybe from now on we should call him "One star jonson"!

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Posted: November 30, 2013, 8:58 pm - IP Logged

                  Most people seem to think that "you can't beat the house."  And, oddly enough, most of these people are gamblers.  When you think about it, its one of life's fascinating ironies isn't it?  If you believe the "house" has a 50% advantage then why do you even play? 

                  If you're destined to loose, then what's the point?  The truth is the "house" only has an advantage because you give it to them.  So I'm wondering - Do any of you know why this is and how you can stand on even ground with the "house?" 

                  Do you actually make a conscious decision to enter into a game of "chance" when there is none?  It's been said that "perception is reallity," so with that in mind..., what's your reallity?  Just loose and accept it or change your reallity?  Something to think about perhaps.

                  You can "beat the house".  I do it every day and have done it for years.  No magic, no smoke and mirrors, no complicated formulas or guess work.  Most of us tend to outthink ourselves.   We over engineer things that don't even require thought.  It's being human I suppose.

                  But the question at hand still remains; "How do you stand even with the 'house' and consistantly win!?" 

                  I'll look forward to your responses.

                  Thank U4UR post Jack:

                  But the question at hand still remains; "How do you stand even with the 'house' and consistantly win!?"

                                           ???


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                    Posted: December 3, 2013, 1:38 am - IP Logged

                    hummm... Interesting.

                     

                    Beating the house?  Well, I wouldn't say "beating" the house is possible, but exploiting probabilities IS possible.  Here's the twist that people are going to say is the funniest. I used to just randomly pick numbers and such just like gamblers do.  I lost plenty of money over the years, just as many have and most likely still do.  Being the thinker that I am, I started to think... there's got to be a way.  So I started studying (i wanted to win) and about 5 years later... I'm winning. 

                    Now, I say that to say this.  The numbers didn't change.  The "house" didn't change.  The odds, didn't change.  I CHANGED!  I figured that I would start paying (no pun) attention to the loosers.  Why are they loosing, what type of attitude do they have, what numbers are they playing (grannies blood pressure readings) etc.  I started doing the opposite.  With a plan, some discipline, a bankroll (large or small), resources, winning spirit, you can win more than you loose.  I do... every week consistantly.  Won the C4 on both draws yesterday and C3 midday today in GA.  Not bragging, just stating the facts.

                    I'm sure that you CAN win consistantly.  You can't tell me that there isn't a bet or bets,  in Vegas that'll give you a high chance of winning.  The key is NOT to keep betting.  I'm not the guy to "gamble" and have fun with.  It's business if my money is on it.  I play to win.  Before I started playing the lotto, I would go with some money, place about 3-5 bets and walk out with 2x - 5x what I came in with 15 minutes ago.  I don't really like the whole dance, but I do like to invest in things for profit.  I'm not blowing smoke, and I'm not selling anything.  I don't even use all of these sytems, tools, and such.  Hey if they work for you then go for it.  I just use common sense and let the lottery and time do the work. 

                    I just hope that you all can beleive that there ARE people out there winning these games consistantly.  Funny thing is that when asked, I tell people how I play and that I'm a C3/C4 winner, they smile, ask for advice, ask for the numbers that i play, and jump up and down.  When I see them in a couple of days, I ask them if they won the drawing last night, they say "no, but those darn doubles are due."  They just go back to what/how they were doing...losing.

                    If you step back and really focus as if it's a business, you can win!  As far as LP... ehhh can you really evaluate someones skill by looking at the scoreboard?  Only if they are focused on one game,  in one particular state or something. 

                    After the laughter dies down, let's talk some more.  There's some really smart people on LP.

                     

                    So there's my spin.  In all... You WILL lose, but is losing 'really' bad if you "know you're going to win?

                    Congrats to you BigDMike. That's what it comes down to. It took me 2 years to figure it all out too. Like yourself, I'm one of those who wins consistently.

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                      Congrats to you BigDMike. That's what it comes down to. It took me 2 years to figure it all out too. Like yourself, I'm one of those who wins consistently.

                      He's b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ck...

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                        He's b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ck...

                        Yeah, the 4th reincarnation of formerly banned user:

                        Pick3Ma$ter
                        ThePick3Ma$ter
                        Pick3Ma$termind

                        Now just simply Pick3Mastermind ... no $ this time.

                        At least P3M spells consistently correctly. BDM and author JT consistently spell consistantly incorrectly. Which makes me think he's a different person from the other two.(unless that's a ploy in itself)

                        He's persistent, I'll give 'em that. (or is it persistant? ;)

                        But at what, I don't know. Stringing people along, building a following...

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                          Posted: December 3, 2013, 11:14 am - IP Logged

                          BigDMike,

                          "You can't tell me that there isn't a bet or bets,  in Vegas that'll give you a high chance of winning. "

                          Sure, there are a few, but peole betting them have run right into buzz saws, too. Like the lotteries, the house is always a step or two ahead of the players.

                          The only bet in a casino that pays true odds is taking or laying odds on Pass Line, Come, or Don't Pass, and Don't come bets. But you have to have a flat bet in order to take or lay odds, and that's where the house has the edge.

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Most people seem to think that "you can't beat the house."  And, oddly enough, most of these people are gamblers.  When you think about it, its one of life's fascinating ironies isn't it?  If you believe the "house" has a 50% advantage then why do you even play? 

                            If you're destined to loose, then what's the point?  The truth is the "house" only has an advantage because you give it to them.  So I'm wondering - Do any of you know why this is and how you can stand on even ground with the "house?" 

                            Do you actually make a conscious decision to enter into a game of "chance" when there is none?  It's been said that "perception is reallity," so with that in mind..., what's your reallity?  Just loose and accept it or change your reallity?  Something to think about perhaps.

                            You can "beat the house".  I do it every day and have done it for years.  No magic, no smoke and mirrors, no complicated formulas or guess work.  Most of us tend to outthink ourselves.   We over engineer things that don't even require thought.  It's being human I suppose.

                            But the question at hand still remains; "How do you stand even with the 'house' and consistantly win!?" 

                            I'll look forward to your responses.

                            How do you stand even with the 'house' and consistantly win!?

                            Don't play.

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                              Yeah, the 4th reincarnation of formerly banned user:

                              Pick3Ma$ter
                              ThePick3Ma$ter
                              Pick3Ma$termind

                              Now just simply Pick3Mastermind ... no $ this time.

                              At least P3M spells consistently correctly. BDM and author JT consistently spell consistantly incorrectly. Which makes me think he's a different person from the other two.(unless that's a ploy in itself)

                              He's persistent, I'll give 'em that. (or is it persistant? ;)

                              But at what, I don't know. Stringing people along, building a following...

                               Thanks, I guess. It's that same persistence that has literally ,and otherwise, payed off. Persistence is key to being successful at anything.