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Monte Carlo

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Posted: November 12, 2014, 7:50 am - IP Logged

I don't say what Hans is doing has no merit, It's just I would never claim a systems success based on one drawing.

Back-test can be helpful but cannot be trusted for future play. The only real test of a system is playing forward

where the results speak the truth.

This is what I meant.

keep checking history win does not help you any better.

You said you won a jackpot?What is your proof?

I have predicted a pick5 jackpot here at LP back years ago.My pick 5 prediction statistics is profitable.

So far my cumulative prize ratio is far 10 times higher than yours,if you can not bear the challenge,just quit.

You allowed to post and contribute then you start to ask me out because you can simply not do what I did.

Hans

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Hans

Now I am starting to feel sorry for you.

There are people here at LP that can back up my win and I don't feel the need to include you as one of

them. As for your so called challenge there is no challenge nor was there ever one. Get some help, you

need it. You asked if you could post a few predictions and I said yes not knowing you were such an ass.

I guess the little video of a program I made in a couple hours which showed better results then what your

amazing method has done meant nothing.

Take a moment and look over all your predictions and think about what your claiming. You don't even

count all the lines you post. If your not going to count them then why post them as part of your act.

I only see one game where you done better than the expected if selecting at random. What happened

in the last game where you busted, your method fell on it's ass, or maybe it just works once in a while

kind of like a toy cap gun or even a quick pick.

The only challenge I took on here at LP was one in which I posted actual scans of real ticket and was up

around $500 bucks in or around 6 to 8 games. The challenge lasted until the topic was locked by Todd.

I started to post my next set and found it had been locked. To this day don't know why.

Let me give you a challenge, pick a game to use your method on and actually buy the tickets and post the

scans. Nothing like putting a little money on the line to add to the excitement. One game played every

draw for 10 consecutive drawings.

You must have some sort of lottery where you live or does your system only work on the MO 6-44 game.

If so then it's not to impressive, no not too impressive at all. Kind of lame if you really think about it. A

system that only works on a lottery far far away.

Anyway if your interested in putting some real money up for the lines you play then feel free to start a

special topic and name is something stupendous so to grab all the attention. Who knows I might even

take a peek but not making any promises.

Show me your method is up to the challenge, winning a few bucks in one game and then watching your

winnings go down each game as they are doing now is no proof of anything. Do you really think that one

game where you hit a few prizes makes it special? Millions have had similar wins even without a system.

I know a person who plays birthdays one line per game and has won way more than they will ever spend

even if they play until they die.

You can however if your not interested in actual play, continue posting lines for my 6-44 but don't ask me

to post tickets that I intend to play. If I hit a JP I don't want to share it with many other people but that

should not be a problem for you as you have nothing to loose, except maybe some of your ego.

Challenge, LMAO, your little factory upstairs must be working overtime to create such delusions of grandeur.

Post your predictions for 90 games and then we will see if you have anything. I could be wrong and your

methods might be amazing. Who knows you might hit a 6of6 tonight as all lines have the same odds and

many a JP has been won even with a QP.

RL

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Posted: November 12, 2014, 9:09 pm - IP Logged

over 25 years of lottery work,all you could do is a waste,since you confirmed yourself the meaning of prediction is no better than random picks.

If so,you,as some ass or idiot from your mouth back to you,I would have taken you for something wrong.

I thought you were someone special,who could work and learn from other people.But as I found you are a lottery math fool ass and have no understanding of what predictions means.

Lottery is a luck game and all we could do is to win once in life.

If my 9 numbers could have 4 winning numbers,it could also have 6 winning numbers.

The actual play would affordable for me.But your hundreds of lines indicate your system is a wheel generator,not a predictor.

Unless you can make it,claim it.Otherwise,say goodbye to your sorry-ass system predictor.

That's my sorry for you too.

Hans

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Quote: Originally posted by on November 10, 2014MO PICK6 Wed, Nov 12, 2014 Prediction

correction:I forgot to delete unlogical tickets.

a total of 20 tickets for the next drawing,which costs 10 dollars.

Numbers 10 29 14 04 44 03 17 27 39

13 tickets

04 10 14 29 39 44 03 10 14 29 39 44 03 10 14 29 39 44 03 04 10 14 17 29 03 10 14 17 29 44 03 04 10 17 39 44 03 04 14 17 39 44 03 04 10 14 29 44 03 04 10 14 29 39 03 04 10 14 29 39 10 14 17 29 39 44 04 10 14 17 29 39 03 04 17 29 39 44

Numbers 10 29 14 04 44 03 17 27 39 02 05 09 22 32 40

7 tickets

03 09 14 17 27 40 02 04 27 29 32 40 02 03 14 32 40 44 09 17 22 39 40 44 02 04 14 22 39 40 09 10 17 29 39 40 02 10 27 32 39 40

Hans

my 7 tickets have 3 match2,while your 25 tickets have only 2 match2.

That pretty much indicates your system is a failure generator.

I better keep out and leave you in garbage,never come back to your flaming thread.

byebye

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Hans

Get some help dude, less than a month ago you posted this.

I play the same 10 lines for all pick6.

1-13-14-18-24-27 ** 3-8-18-24-33-37 ** 8-11-14-24-37-38 ** 7-8-18-27-33-34 ** 1-13-14-31-33-34 ** 1-3-7-27-31-34 ** 1-3-7-11-14-33 ** 7-11-13-14-31-34

That system went by so fast it changed about as fast as a blink of the eye. I have nothing against

your system, it's that I have big problems with anyone who claims that there system is world changing

based on how it performed for one drawing. I try to run many test and let the results make the claims

not the other way around.

Can you read, the lines I posted here were a test of just one of my many ideas I am working on.

I have made no claims as to this one being the best in the world, it's closer to maybe the worst

prediction tool I have written so far. That's not to say that it can't be improved and when time

permits as I will make a few changes and run another series of test. Comparing you numbers to

the ones posted here is ridiculous to say the least. Like I said some of these programs may do well

at first only to fail later. That's why I test them, not to prove they are the best but to see if they

show any promise. Currently I have about 10 predictors I am either working on or testing.

I may be wrong but I think I saw where you posted lines for other games, if your whatever you call

it is as good as you say then add up all the predictions and post it's overall hits. My count shows one

win out of about half a dozen plays. Now your reduced to counting non winning two number hits to try

and prop it up. Just post the numbers and they will speak loudly enough for anyone to evaluate if it's

good or not. You may think I am trashing your system which I am not, I am trying to get you to see that

the one winning play could have been a product of random/chance and nothing more. If you can't even

consider that then you may be beyond help.

Anyway, I still think you should give your system a good test so you know for sure if it has any merit.

When someone makes these type of claims only to be forced to eat crow a little down the line, well

it's sad.

All my non-predictor programs/systems are dumb as a rock, it's the person using them that makes the

difference. They don't predict anything as they leave that part to the user. I think some of my tools are

about as good as can be coded but that has nothing to do with winning. My goal is to produce software

that is as accurate as I can make it and cram as much information as I can into the limited space so that

the user can access it all on one page. That's the best I can do and the rest is based on the user.

I have also made many post to try and show the advantages of playing digits etc... but all these are based

on conditions that the user must first meet. I have been attacked by a few here because they choose to

ignore the "IF" statements. These conditional methods are as mathematically correct as I can make them.

No one has ever attacked them in the context they were posted, but had to base the attacks on assumption

they made about what I was posting without reading what I actually posted.

Dime a dozen yo-yo's if you ask me.

Some people love my stuff and others hate it, it all boils down to personal choice. I don't care if someone

does not like it, that's there choice. Your system does not have to have my approval nor does comparing

your one game to the sets generated in a system test mean anything.

Some day you may look back on this and see I tried to help you. Start one topic and post lines for as many

games as you want. Let the readers make their own conclusions to how good it is. You will make more friends

and gain respect regardless of how it does overall. With test you can make adjustments and try to make it

better. I love to read new ideas because it might spark a new idea or another way of doing something.

RL

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I play the same 10 lines for all pick6.

1-13-14-18-24-27 ** 3-8-18-24-33-37 ** 8-11-14-24-37-38 ** 7-8-18-27-33-34 ** 1-13-14-31-33-34 ** 1-3-7-27-31-34 ** 1-3-7-11-14-33 ** 7-11-13-14-31-34

Those 10 lines performed way better than most lines.As you could easily check my pick6 prediction statistics at LP,23.09% is the average prize ratio to all pick6 in USA.

I did see your trying help on lottery being random and could not been 100% predicted.

I also see the point of last digits prediction filtered to 5-6.

I think you don't see my idea behind my lines either.

First,I first time predicted 4 winning numbers in a pool of 9.That's where we start,a good beginning,the hope that keeps all going on for further prediction.If my system does not have a possibility to get prize ratio over 100%,I will not even interrupt your posts and tried to help.

As I worked over many years in lottery,jackpot prediction is only possible by playing a pool of limited numbers.

So I have 9 to 12 numbers each time,and from those numbers I generate and filter affordable 8-12 tickets.

Then I made my prediction after yours,and I won 4 match4 and some match3,with the prize ratio over 2000%,and that's when you started to get pissed off and asked me out.

I am not intended to compare my system or methods to yours,as whose is better.I only wanted to share and communicate with you,but we have different understanding of lottery,I believe the jackpot prediction is possible when we catch 6 winning numbers in a limited pool of 9-12 numbers,while you use almost half or more numbers and pick up pattern from wheels by guess or whatever statistics methods.That is against the odds as no pattern could be correct every time.

We only need it to be right for one time,to make it.

Hans

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Hans

If we can trap all the numbers in a pool of 9 then we don't need to predict. The reason I asked you

to stop posting was all the rhetoric. You should first test an idea before making such claims. You have

to overcome two obstacles, the first is the actual trapping of the numbers then you must build the lines

to play from those numbers. Each method can be expressed in mathematical terms of the success. I

say that your methods require a number of guesses and as such two different people using you system

will get different results. It's not the system but the players ability to choose correctly in both the trapping

and then the building of the sets. Anytime one is successful in trapping several numbers in a small pool

then the wheeling part is a no brainer. The odds for trapping the numbers in a pool of nine is the only

thing of interest here. Your instructions on how you do this show nothing. Me saying you will not be able

to do this on any regular basis is based on math. At first I thought you may have found in a round-about

way, some off the wall method to reverse the RNG process. Once I dug a little deeper then it was quickly

discerned that your method of selection would do no better than random. The hit you had was just a

chance event. The lines you selected to play were not some work of a super system but the result of

having 4 of 6 in 9. It would very hard to play 8 lines from this list and not do well.

I hope you can see this and refrain from posting rhetoric. Test your methods and know what your saying

is true. I have a tool where I can copy and paste a persons lines/sets which will reverse engineer them

It checks to see if a known wheel was used and if not then it creates a wheel based on the lines/numbers

played.

The wheel is then checked for mathematical qualities to see if there was any pre-draw mathematical reasoning

behind the selection. Next it analyzes the actual numbers in play using the same type of analysis. In your win

the 4 matching numbers sets had the same 4 numbers. You say that your wheeling method was far superior to

any other wheel, that is simply not true. You took risk and it paid off but it could have went the other way.

I must reiterate how wrong you are about why I suggested you stop posting. You were wrong to compared your

one play to the test being performed. You claimed your system was far superior to my predictor and suggested I

make the switch, LOL. The predictor being tested is just one of hundreds of programs that I have written over the

years to test an idea and has nothing to do with what I use in my regular play. Read a little about what is being

posted before you post. All the analysis I have ran shows nothing, and I do mean nothing about the lines you

have played as being anything more than a chance hit. Again I could be wrong but the only real way for you to

prove your system superior is to run many forward test. You also made the comment that the little quick predictor

was inferior because it used 20 numbers, I suggest that you look at the total lines produced.

Anyway, if you really think your method is superior then prove it. Do a bunch or predictions and add them all up and

see how it does over many games. I could say that my predictor was far better because it managed a 50f6 once and

all I had to do was press one button. How ridiculous would that be, I hope you get my point. Let me ask you this.

Lets say that I posted 6 numbers and could guarantee that 5 of them will show in the next draw. I do not know which

5 for certain. How many lines would you need to play for the 6-44 to ensure a JP hit?

RL

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Posted: November 13, 2014, 9:44 am - IP Logged

RL,

I am doing the test of my system by counting the prize ratio.

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/282717

The prize ratio has not yet dropped below 101% until I would not be posting any prediction for this lottery.

I don't care how you select your numbers,how many systems you have made,how many tests you have run.

So if you could forget about your ego and try to learn to have some respect by giving your best predictions,that's what I appreciate.

All I care is a successful prediction before the draw,either you manage to keep prize ratio over 100%,or you manage to predict a jackpot.

That is what I am doing and will do.

I said my wheeling method with filter applied reduces tickets into affordable amount of tickets to play,very practical.

So I do not need any back test of the system,I only test predictions.

I also said if you give me 20 numbers,I could produce better prize ratio tickets than most could do.That was my challenge and you denied.

You keep asking me out and then compromised yourself by saying trying to help me.But what I see is another thing.

You did not take the challenge of the 20 numbers wheeling into tickets to compete against mine,to at least beat random tickets.

Your prediction over all the thread has not made a single match4 in so many rounds,while I made it for the first time with 4 match4 in 8 tickets.

let's speak with the truth,ok.

Hans

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Let me ask you this.

Lets say that I posted 6 numbers and could guarantee that 5 of them will show in the next draw. I do not know which

5 for certain. How many lines would you need to play for the 6-44 to ensure a JP hit?

In this case,I will play full combinations for a direct JP.

But in a case of 9 or 12 numbers,I would choose to play my wheeling with filtered applied.I could get the best prize ratio as I could.

My method is based on two times predicting correct 8 last digits for 6/44 lottery.first time is based on actaul past 10 drawings,and the other time is based on converted past 10 drawing results.

I compare two time results and select 9-12 numbers with my system.This is the core part of it.But since you said I guess,I would give you some info about it.

I usually have more than 20 numbers after first time selection,my system will run as I CLICK THE BUTTON and it generate in a few steps 9 and 12 numbers to play.

I will then wheel 9 or 12 numbers with my wheel with filter applied.The filter is again a system.I need to click buttons to get the final tickets.

Last time your tickets failed more badly compared to mine.

You can see

4 of 6 numbers $29 (average amount) 1 in 335 3 of 6 numbers Free Ticket (QP) 1 in 21

so to get 4 match4,can you calculate the odds in 8 tickets?

That's the value of the prediction.

I hope you get what I mean.

Hans

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Hans

The question I posed was to see if you could make the calculations. The answer is 228. That's the

number of lines one would have to play to ensure a JP hit even if having 5 correct numbers in a pool

of 6, the other number must come from outside the pool.

The odds you post are based on a $1.00 play. The real odds for matching a 4of6 on a single line is 1 in 669.42

not 1 in 335. There are 84 possible 6 number lines that can be generated from a pool of 9. However we cannot

make simple calculations to come up with the minimum lines needed to cover every possible combination of 4.

Even if we knew in advance 4 correct numbers it would take 780 total lines to ensure a JP level prize. Your odds

of matching a 4 if 4 playing a 9 number pool is is not 1 in 350 or 1 in 669.43, it's 45/15 or 1 in 3.

There are 45 4of6 possible combinations in 9 numbers converted to six number lines. Each line played has 15

possible chances of matching one of the possible 4of6 prizes within the possible 9 number lines . It does not matter

which 9 numbers we play.

Here is the list

1-2-3-4 1-2-3-5 1-2-3-6 1-2-4-5 1-2-4-6 1-2-5-6 1-3-4-5 1-3-4-6 1-3-5-6 1-4-5-6 2-3-4-5 2-3-4-6 2-3-5-6 2-4-5-6 3-4-5-6

If every line has 15 chances at a 4 of 6 and there are a total of 45 four number combinations possible within a list of

9 numbers sorted into 6 number lines then we have a 1 in 3 chance for any line played. It only takes 3 lines to ensure

a 4of5 hit so playing 8 lines should produce around 3ea 4 of 6 matches.

Like I said, if we calculate the odds of correctly selecting 4 of 9 out of a larger 44 number pool then we can see that

is where the nice hit comes in, not the 3ea 4of6 lines, they are a given if wheeled correctly. Your method however

could have caused you to not of hit anything. If the 3 lines I wheeled would have each been played 3 times than no

risk would have been taken for 3ea 4of4 hits. If any combination of 4 of 9 would have showed then my lines would

win a prize however yours don't share this fact. There are reasons for using mathematical proven wheels, it's so you

get full coverage in the fewest lines possible. Think about it.

Back to the odds for hitting 4 numbers from 9 numbers taken from a pool of 44. There are 7,059,052 combinations of 6

in 44 numbers. There are 84 combos of 6 in any 9 lines selected so 7,059,052/84 gives us the odds of 1 in 84036.3.

Notice that I said trapping 6 correct numbers is 1 in 84,036 but what are the odds of trapping 4 numbers in a pool of 9

taken from a pool or 44. There are 135,751 possible 4of4 combos in 44 numbers so and 126 possible 4 number combos

in 9 so the overall odds for a 4of6 playing 9 total numbers is 135,751/126=1 in 1077. So from this we can conclude that

hitting a 4of6 pooling 9 numbers is about the same as winning a daily pick-3.

Now broken down do you still feel the same way and does anything here give you cause to change the way you think

about your prior comments. Hitting 4 numbers is not bad but the lines you played could have ruined it. I suggest you

use a mathematically proven wheel from now on and play the lines more than once if you want to increase your overall

provided you can trap the numbers in the smaller pool. These figures show that you should be able to get a 4 number

match around 1 out of every 1077 games. If you can hit maybe 6 to 10 out of every 1077 then you IMHO will have shown

that your system might have some merit. I say 6 to 10 because we have to consider SD and chance it's self. Build a RNG

that generated 9 numbers and then test it against a random set of 6 numbers and check the results. Run this type of

test many times and average the results. This will give you a baseline. If your methods do better than the baseline then

you can say that your method works, if it falls below then it does not.

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P.S.

I don't know if you caught the main reason for the long post so I will make it clear.

To cover every possible 4of6 which takes 3 lines for a investment of $1.50 at .50

per line. The odds are 1 in 1077 using your system. The odds for winning a 4of6

if playing any line even if chosen at random is 1 in 669. Your system evaluated using

math has worse odds than a QP. This is not to say that wheeling is bad per say, but

for a wheel to do well you must be able to hit the numbers. All lottery systems suffer

from this and like I have said many times, They depend on the users abilities to make

good choices. I Think that a good system must improve the overall odds of a QP provided

the conditions are meet. Even if you are very good at picking numbers your system does

not look very good. Sorry

RL

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I am tired of your concepts and wheel explanation.You think I don't know about what the wheel is?

Like I said if you can't make correct prediction,wheels are useless.so face it.

I am sick and tired of checking this thread and its a waste of my time.

Goodbye.

Hans

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My lottery prediction evaluation is based on prize ratio, not on the winning probability.

If you are against my theory,we have nothing to talk about.

If at least 3 bankers are for sure,my system is 100% to be able to generate profitable tickets.

not to mention 4 bankers to be predicted.

All I need is more than 3 winning numbers in a pool of 9 or 12.

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Quote: Originally posted by on November 13, 2014My lottery prediction evaluation is based on prize ratio, not on the winning probability.

If you are against my theory,we have nothing to talk about.

If at least 3 bankers are for sure,my system is 100% to be able to generate profitable tickets.

not to mention 4 bankers to be predicted.

All I need is more than 3 winning numbers in a pool of 9 or 12.

Hans

Post your predictions on the prediction board and the results will speak for themselves. Debating the merits of your prediction methods are just words which prove nothing.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Hans

The information I gave you is true and like I have tried to explain several times now, unless you can

accurately predict the 9 or 12 numbers to pool, you won't do well. The odds for doing this depends

on the matrix played and is easy enough to calculate.

MO 6-44

9=1 in 840363.33

10=1 in 33614.53

11=1 in 15297.33

12=1 in 7639.67.

Anytime you manage one of these levels then the odds for each prize match is determined by the number

of lines it takes to cover all possible combos for the prize level you are attempting. As shown in the previous

post, a nine number pool playing for a four number match = 1 in 3. This is because that's the number of lines

it takes to cover every 4 number combination. Saying you are playing for something else does not change the

odds of success and so I have to consider your claims as rhetoric.

rhet·o·ric

language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience,

but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

I really hoped you had found some method for predicting the numbers for my 6-44 or any other game for that matter.

It's possible that your methods could have some value but I really hope you can see the value of testing before you

make such claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence . You don't need to wheel and post the lines

for the numbers you predict, it's not necessary as it's the pool of numbers that will set your predictions apart. Look

at Maddog's challenge and how he runs it. The numbers is all you need to post because the number of lines needed

to match any prize level is as simple as looking up the wheel one wants to use.

I had hoped that you would see what I was referring to so that I would not have to show an analysis of what you are

attempting in public forum. I see many system post that are not mathematically correct but don't bother to try and correct

the person posting. However when someone starts posting in my yard don't expect me to turn the other way and ignore

what is being said..

Please continue to post numbers so that we can see if your method works out, I don't see enough of anything to make

my mind up one way or the other but the odds are against you. It all depends on your abilities to trap numbers and the

rest is trivial.

I take no joy in these type of post as I don't want to stifle anyone's creativity, however, I can't allow these types of rhetorical

claims to be made even if unintentional.

RL