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Im creating a free lottery!

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Would you play a free progressive lottery?

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Posted: August 1, 2014, 8:58 pm - IP Logged

If you google "I want to start my own lottery" there is plenty of information out there. I don't see how this could be any different then playing the lottery "online" and that,as we know,is illegal. From what I've read it sounds like it would be very difficult to get licenses and such because the "real lotteries" are all government run and they wouldn't want the competition. In my opinion I would nix this idea. There has to be some kind of catch anyway. No one gives away free money. It HAS to come from somewhere.

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    Posted: August 1, 2014, 9:12 pm - IP Logged

    Fort Worth

    They say everything is BIGGER in Texas even ideas i guess PatriotGod Bless Texas

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      Posted: August 1, 2014, 9:26 pm - IP Logged

      Fort Worth

      They say everything is BIGGER in Texas even ideas i guess PatriotGod Bless Texas

      he's in ft worth.  Gtech is in ft worth. 

      Mmmm .  Is this a gtech mole doing market research

      my name Lil Darryl   you got some Milk

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        he's in ft worth.  Gtech is in ft worth. 

        Mmmm .  Is this a gtech mole doing market research

        Gtech is in ft worth.

        GTECH is everywhere. They've infiltrated every aspect of our society and are probably looking to back the "GTECH Candidate" Wink (just kidding LOL)

        iridebmx sounds pretty genuine so I doubt they are a mole

        If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
        If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

        2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
        P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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          Posted: August 1, 2014, 10:00 pm - IP Logged

          This has been tried before. It used advertising revenues to generate funds. You had to view ads before or while playing. It didn't work out because not enough money was raised through ad clicks. It was "free" money wise, but not "free" time wise...

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            Posted: August 2, 2014, 12:42 am - IP Logged

            Usually sweepstakes require:

            • No purchase necessary
            • Open to the general public of legal age (18-21...in most places minors can't consent)
            • ALL prizes and their values required to be set in stone and stated UPFRONT
            • Prize giveaway can't be conditional on number of participants and must have set start/end/draw dates

            Progressive jackpot is a lottery and you will get calls from every gaming commission out there.

            For instance, according to California's Business and Professions Code sections 17539-17539.55:

            "... a contest in which participation is conditioned on payment of value and in which prizes are awarded primarily by chance is a lottery rather than a contest. Under California law, only the California State Lottery may operate a lottery. All other lotteries, except bingo games operated by charitable organizations, are prohibited by California's Penal Code.16"

            Most other states have something similar. Good luck.

            Thank you for looking that up.

            This one gets me right here "... a contest in which participation is conditioned on payment of value and in which prizes are awarded primarily by chance is a lottery rather than a contest. 

            Since payment of value is not a condition im assuming that takes that element out of the lottery. So with that being said it would be a contest (or possibly a sweepstakes)

            Now these two conditions will affect me if I cant get around them

            • ALL prizes and their values required to be set in stone and stated UPFRONT
            • Prize giveaway can't be conditional on number of participants and must have set start/end/draw dates

            The draw dates would affect it and the value required to be set in stone would also be a problem. Im not a sweepstakes lawyer so I dont know all the ins and outs.

            I think sweepstakes are pretty stringent so I will need to find out if it is classified as a sweepstakes.

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              Posted: August 2, 2014, 12:45 am - IP Logged

              Gtech is in ft worth.

              GTECH is everywhere. They've infiltrated every aspect of our society and are probably looking to back the "GTECH Candidate" Wink (just kidding LOL)

              iridebmx sounds pretty genuine so I doubt they are a mole

              I dont even know what gtech is. Then again that sounds like something a gtech mole would say :P lol

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                Posted: August 2, 2014, 12:49 am - IP Logged

                I dont even know what gtech is. Then again that sounds like something a gtech mole would say :P lol

                Green laughWho tries to start a free lottery and don't know what Gtech is.. 

                 

                Sorta like starting up a donut factory and saying you never heard of Krispy Kreme...

                 

                now we know we can't take you seriously.

                my name Lil Darryl   you got some Milk

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                  Posted: August 2, 2014, 12:51 am - IP Logged

                  This has been tried before. It used advertising revenues to generate funds. You had to view ads before or while playing. It didn't work out because not enough money was raised through ad clicks. It was "free" money wise, but not "free" time wise...

                  I dont see why that wouldnt work. That guy that developed that flappy bird game app was generating 50k a day just through advertisement alone.

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                    Posted: August 2, 2014, 12:54 am - IP Logged

                    Green laughWho tries to start a free lottery and don't know what Gtech is.. 

                     

                    Sorta like starting up a donut factory and saying you never heard of Krispy Kreme...

                     

                    now we know we can't take you seriously.

                    I think I have looked them up before when I was doing patent research. Dont they create most of the gaming technology like the balls used in the lottery and electronic casino games etc?

                    Didnt really care to investigate because there isnt any competition in the space im trying to get ahold of. (well a few fake websites)

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                      Posted: August 2, 2014, 12:54 am - IP Logged

                      Thank you for looking that up.

                      This one gets me right here "... a contest in which participation is conditioned on payment of value and in which prizes are awarded primarily by chance is a lottery rather than a contest. 

                      Since payment of value is not a condition im assuming that takes that element out of the lottery. So with that being said it would be a contest (or possibly a sweepstakes)

                      Now these two conditions will affect me if I cant get around them

                      • ALL prizes and their values required to be set in stone and stated UPFRONT
                      • Prize giveaway can't be conditional on number of participants and must have set start/end/draw dates

                      The draw dates would affect it and the value required to be set in stone would also be a problem. Im not a sweepstakes lawyer so I dont know all the ins and outs.

                      I think sweepstakes are pretty stringent so I will need to find out if it is classified as a sweepstakes.

                      Yeah, the reason a sweepstakes has prizes set in stone is so that sponsors can't advertise prizes and then change their mind later. You can imagine how much publicity/advertisement value a company could get by offering $1 million no purchase necessary etc etc. Dates are set in stone so that the sponsor can't run around their obligation to pay the prize by extending the deadline etc.

                      If there is absolutely no payment or financial obligation from the player then likely it would be classified as a contest, but honestly I think the state(s) would see the progressive jackpot and lottery/chance element (even advertising it as a "lottery" regardless if free or not...even PCH advertises their "lottery" as a sweepstakes) and immediately jump on your back about that. So talking to a lawyer is really a must in this situation

                      If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                      If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                      2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                      P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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                        Posted: August 2, 2014, 1:00 am - IP Logged

                        I think I have looked them up before when I was doing patent research. Dont they create most of the gaming technology like the balls used in the lottery and electronic casino games etc?

                        Didnt really care to investigate because there isnt any competition in the space im trying to get ahold of. (well a few fake websites)

                        I'm just messing with you.  I guess you could make money

                        google adsense

                        Banner ads

                        affiliate programs 

                         

                        good luck...

                         

                        weekly prizes could be 1/4th of website revenue

                         

                        say your site generates $700 a week. 

                        Lotto prize could be $175.    Just have 1 drawing a week. Say fri pday.   

                        $25,000 yearly income to you.  good luck

                        my name Lil Darryl   you got some Milk

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                          Posted: August 2, 2014, 1:04 am - IP Logged

                          Yeah, the reason a sweepstakes has prizes set in stone is so that sponsors can't advertise prizes and then change their mind later. You can imagine how much publicity/advertisement value a company could get by offering $1 million no purchase necessary etc etc. Dates are set in stone so that the sponsor can't run around their obligation to pay the prize by extending the deadline etc.

                          If there is absolutely no payment or financial obligation from the player then likely it would be classified as a contest, but honestly I think the state(s) would see the progressive jackpot and lottery/chance element (even advertising it as a "lottery" regardless if free or not...even PCH advertises their "lottery" as a sweepstakes) and immediately jump on your back about that. So talking to a lawyer is really a must in this situation

                          Definitely. My moms boyfriend is a lawyer unfortunately. Even more unfortunate is that he is not a sweepstakes lawyer :P 

                           

                          I will be contacting one regardless. He could very well say its not possible legally, but that is 100x better than actually doing it and getting fined, etc

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                            Posted: August 2, 2014, 1:07 am - IP Logged

                            I'm just messing with you.  I guess you could make money

                            google adsense

                            Banner ads

                            affiliate programs 

                             

                            good luck...

                             

                            weekly prizes could be 1/4th of website revenue

                             

                            say your site generates $700 a week. 

                            Lotto prize could be $175.    Just have 1 drawing a week. Say fri pday.   

                            $25,000 yearly income to you.  good luck

                            That could possibly work, but I have something different in mind.

                             

                            25k a year basically doing nothing would be nice though. It goes far in Texas too.

                             

                            Also thank you, and best of luck to you as well.

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                              Posted: August 2, 2014, 7:33 am - IP Logged

                              25,000 a year? Is it really worth it to you to go through all this trouble for $12 bucks an hour?