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# The Pretentious Doubles Trap meets The Lava Lamp

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Gary,

I think I have bats in the belfry, so confused with P3G going back and forth. One question,then I will drop the subject. Back to Win D's doubles trap. When you did your test, you used 7 singles in-a-row, then played dbls 3 draws in-a-row, correct? This proved to be unfruitful, correct?

BTW, hope you had a nice Thanksgiving!

Hey Bob!

This person is like the little boy who take his pants off and throws them out the car window while mom is taking him to school because he doesn't want to wear those pants.

Win D's Double Trap says:When doubles are out 7 draws, there is a 50/50 chance a double will hit between draws 7 and 10. (based on 720/270/10)

I ran the numbers based on 7 singles hitting in a row before a double or triple, 8 singles, 9, singles, 10 singles.....out to 25, which is the longest doubles have ever stayed out in combine New York Numbers.

Here's the original chart showing doubles are out 218 times at 7 draws, doubles are out 168 times at 8 draw, doubles are out 129 times at 9 draws, etc......

If we take the 218 times doubles are out 7 draws and subtract the 105 times they are out at 10, we get 113 doubles hitting out of the possible 218 between draws 7 and 10. 113/218 = 51%.

This proves WIN D's Doubles Trap is correct. When doubles are out 7 draws we do have a 50/50 chance of hitting a double between the 7th and 10th draw.

Our autistic friend doesn't want to hear this. So he takes his pants off and tosses them out the car window claiming there is a major flaw, with long losing streaks, which his doubles trap fixes. Of course, he can't point out the major flaw or any long losing streaks. He says his research, which consists of 9 numbers proves his important discovery.

He starts his own thread claiming if you wait until the first double and play 3 consecutive times after that, you win.

I disagree based on the FACT that doubles do not hit 4 times in a row more than 5 to 6 times a year in any game, in any year. He tells me to start my own thread.

This is my thread. I reiterate playing 3 consecutive times after a double has hit is a losing proposition. He still disagrees because, because, because, "he thinks differently(?)"

(Explanation of a trap play: A trap is any time the lottery has produced draws that cause a given statistical result to occur. Win D's Doubles Trap, a true trap, says we can expect a double 2 to 3 times in ten draws. We know this to be true based on the 720/270/10 rule.)

That's the numbers and how we got here.

Still, my little autistic friend insists that taking his pants off and tossing them out the car window is going to change everything.

G

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Hey Bob!

This person is like the little boy who take his pants off and throws them out the car window while mom is taking him to school because he doesn't want to wear those pants.

Win D's Double Trap says:When doubles are out 7 draws, there is a 50/50 chance a double will hit between draws 7 and 10. (based on 720/270/10)

I ran the numbers based on 7 singles hitting in a row before a double or triple, 8 singles, 9, singles, 10 singles.....out to 25, which is the longest doubles have ever stayed out in combine New York Numbers.

Here's the original chart showing doubles are out 218 times at 7 draws, doubles are out 168 times at 8 draw, doubles are out 129 times at 9 draws, etc......

If we take the 218 times doubles are out 7 draws and subtract the 105 times they are out at 10, we get 113 doubles hitting out of the possible 218 between draws 7 and 10. 113/218 = 51%.

This proves WIN D's Doubles Trap is correct. When doubles are out 7 draws we do have a 50/50 chance of hitting a double between the 7th and 10th draw.

Our autistic friend doesn't want to hear this. So he takes his pants off and tosses them out the car window claiming there is a major flaw, with long losing streaks, which his doubles trap fixes. Of course, he can't point out the major flaw or any long losing streaks. He says his research, which consists of 9 numbers proves his important discovery.

He starts his own thread claiming if you wait until the first double and play 3 consecutive times after that, you win.

I disagree based on the FACT that doubles do not hit 4 times in a row more than 5 to 6 times a year in any game, in any year. He tells me to start my own thread.

This is my thread. I reiterate playing 3 consecutive times after a double has hit is a losing proposition. He still disagrees because, because, because, "he thinks differently(?)"

(Explanation of a trap play: A trap is any time the lottery has produced draws that cause a given statistical result to occur. Win D's Doubles Trap, a true trap, says we can expect a double 2 to 3 times in ten draws. We know this to be true based on the 720/270/10 rule.)

That's the numbers and how we got here.

Still, my little autistic friend insists that taking his pants off and tossing them out the car window is going to change everything.

G

Gary,

I think you're on to something. Psycho does seem to be suffering from some spectrum disorder. Notice how he's fixates on you not "defending me", on you "not mentioning" me,  me "sucking up" to you (that must be really important to him *chuckle*) and statements I've made? I'd bet he reads them over and over and over again. So sad.

Anyway, You're spot on with your assessment.

It's better to ask for permission than to beg for forgiveness.

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All that writing and no impact.

You seem to be really obsessed with Gary and I. You also are very obsessed with "Gary not defending" me. I see this is very important to you. Does it keep you up at night?

Anyhow, run along little lonely psychopath. :) You're witless, banal, and pointless.

Run along and find another gremlin to mate with. :) You've served your purpose of entertaining me and you've become stale.

Now Shoo.

It's better to ask for permission than to beg for forgiveness.

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Gary,

I think you're on to something. Psycho does seem to be suffering from some spectrum disorder. Notice how he's fixates on you not "defending me", on you "not mentioning" me,  me "sucking up" to you (that must be really important to him *chuckle*) and statements I've made? I'd bet he reads them over and over and over again. So sad.

Anyway, You're spot on with your assessment.

Hello Frankie,

But it does make sense.

I was about to tell him if he thinks I'm being mean to him, he should see how I treated my students with real brains, but that seems out of line at this point.

Thanks,

G

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Gary,

I think I have bats in the belfry, so confused with P3G going back and forth. One question,then I will drop the subject. Back to Win D's doubles trap. When you did your test, you used 7 singles in-a-row, then played dbls 3 draws in-a-row, correct? This proved to be unfruitful, correct?

BTW, hope you had a nice Thanksgiving!

Well, Win D's doubles trap, like my own, is susceptible to lengthy losing streaks. But, the problem with it is the logic underlying it. That's because ,as mentioned, Win D's doubles trap is really a singles trap.

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You probably need to figure out what the Singles / Doubles pattern is in your state, as it pertains to Mid - Mid, Eve - Eve, and Mid - Eve, however you play.  If Mid - Mid is usually 4 Singles, then a Double; or Eve - Eve is usually 5 Singles then a Double; or Mid - Eve is 2 Singles then a Double, whatever the pattern is in your state, that's your pattern to work with.  It doesn't matter what the pattern is in any other state. You may not be able to follow WinD's example, for your state.

Well, all Pick 3 games ,basically, have the same patterns. But, it does seem to be true that each Pick 3 has it's own signature.

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Hello Frankie,

But it does make sense.

I was about to tell him if he thinks I'm being mean to him, he should see how I treated my students with real brains, but that seems out of line at this point.

Thanks,

G

Thanks for clearing my head. My wife and I went to Golden Corral for Thanksgiving and took the food home. Had ham,turkey, baked chicken, and baby-back ribs, enough for 2 days and all for the low price of \$29. I could never do that at home. Only in America!!!!

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Thanks for clearing my head. My wife and I went to Golden Corral for Thanksgiving and took the food home. Had ham,turkey, baked chicken, and baby-back ribs, enough for 2 days and all for the low price of \$29. I could never do that at home. Only in America!!!!

Anytime Bob!

Told Frankie earlier my sister didn't come up and I didn't go there because of weather. I tossed on a rack of baby back ribs and watched the Cowboys lose.

This thread has turned too many ways to be productive at this point. Thought I would make it clear for everybody. I've done one thing. I've given him the idea of playing "Let's Compare Losers."

I'm off to dialysis.

G

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Anytime Bob!

Told Frankie earlier my sister didn't come up and I didn't go there because of weather. I tossed on a rack of baby back ribs and watched the Cowboys lose.

This thread has turned too many ways to be productive at this point. Thought I would make it clear for everybody. I've done one thing. I've given him the idea of playing "Let's Compare Losers."

I'm off to dialysis.

G

Good luck and still wishing.

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Hey Bob!

This person is like the little boy who take his pants off and throws them out the car window while mom is taking him to school because he doesn't want to wear those pants.

Win D's Double Trap says:When doubles are out 7 draws, there is a 50/50 chance a double will hit between draws 7 and 10. (based on 720/270/10)

I ran the numbers based on 7 singles hitting in a row before a double or triple, 8 singles, 9, singles, 10 singles.....out to 25, which is the longest doubles have ever stayed out in combine New York Numbers.

Here's the original chart showing doubles are out 218 times at 7 draws, doubles are out 168 times at 8 draw, doubles are out 129 times at 9 draws, etc......

If we take the 218 times doubles are out 7 draws and subtract the 105 times they are out at 10, we get 113 doubles hitting out of the possible 218 between draws 7 and 10. 113/218 = 51%.

This proves WIN D's Doubles Trap is correct. When doubles are out 7 draws we do have a 50/50 chance of hitting a double between the 7th and 10th draw.

Our autistic friend doesn't want to hear this. So he takes his pants off and tosses them out the car window claiming there is a major flaw, with long losing streaks, which his doubles trap fixes. Of course, he can't point out the major flaw or any long losing streaks. He says his research, which consists of 9 numbers proves his important discovery.

He starts his own thread claiming if you wait until the first double and play 3 consecutive times after that, you win.

I disagree based on the FACT that doubles do not hit 4 times in a row more than 5 to 6 times a year in any game, in any year. He tells me to start my own thread.

This is my thread. I reiterate playing 3 consecutive times after a double has hit is a losing proposition. He still disagrees because, because, because, "he thinks differently(?)"

(Explanation of a trap play: A trap is any time the lottery has produced draws that cause a given statistical result to occur. Win D's Doubles Trap, a true trap, says we can expect a double 2 to 3 times in ten draws. We know this to be true based on the 720/270/10 rule.)

That's the numbers and how we got here.

Still, my little autistic friend insists that taking his pants off and tossing them out the car window is going to change everything.

G

Well, you've outdone yourself ,this time, with all your manipulation. But, you're a creepy one ,gary, to be saying anything ,at all, about little boys with their pants off. Most likely, this was the kind of person you were ,as a child, and still are as an adult. Still, let's take a look at the following facts.

FACT - Win D's doubles trap is ,in reality, a singles trap.

FACT - Win D's doubles chart ,clearly, shows that lengthy losing streaks can ,and do, occur for multiple states.

FACT - Win D ,himself, had admitted his doubles trap has not performed that well in New York.

FACT - Win D ,himself, has stated that most doubles fall "way before" the 8th, 9th, and 10th draws. This is the major flaw in the logic of Win D's doubles trap since it requires one to wait for ,at least, 7 consecutive singles.

FACT - A losing streak of 9 consecutive losses ,using Win D's doubles trap, was shown for New York and ,also, has nothing to do with the important discovery.

FACT - There was NEVER any claim that the Hot Doubles Trap solves the problem of long losing streaks.

FACT - The Hot Doubles Trap is meant to be played for ,any point, up to 4 consecutive draws. The 3rd consecutive single(i.e. step #3) was being regarded as a ,potential, point ,on which, to play doubles for the 4th draw. Understandably, this caused some confusion.

FACT - There was NO claim , in my original post, that you will win following the steps.

FACT - The Hot Doubles Trap has nothing to do with trying to get 3 or 4 doubles in a row. Now, once either a double or triple comes out ,during the 4 draws(i.e. step 3), you're supposed to stop playing and repeat the steps. So, in other words, you'd be playing doubles ,up to 4 draws, only as long as singles keep coming out.

FACT - Gary seems to have a sick relationship with his lava lamp and ,most likely, suffers from objectophilia(i.e. attraction to objects).

FACT - Our CREEPY friend ,gary, doesn't want to hear any of this.

Anyway, gary claims that ,since 2008, 51% of doubles hit between the 7th and 10th draws. But, 51% is pretty marginal and ,therefore, not a strong case. For example, there might be other time-frames when it's less than 50%. So, it's conceivable that more than 50% of doubles can occur from the 11th draw up.

In addition, Win D's doubles trap ignores the fact ,according to Win D himself, that most doubles occur "way before" the 8th, 9th, and 10th draws. So, these doubles are being disregarded. Yet, the purpose of a doubles trap is to trap doubles.

As an analogy, does it make sense to go fishing where there's almost no fish or would you rather go fishing where lots of fish are known to be? Likewise, would you set up traps where there's almost no fish or where plenty of fish are known to be? Of course, you'd want to go where there's more fish. But, is there any wonder why garys chart goes back to 2008? That's because the number of doubles you're ,supposedly, trying to "trap" ,for any given year, will be much lower.

Now, let's take a look at where those doubles are known to be. The following chart for New York ,basically, shows a fair comparison between Win D's doubles trap and the Hot Doubles trap with emphasis on the number of doubles.

New York (1/01/14 - now)

 consecutive singles/skips draw total doubles Trap 0 1st 28 Hot Doubles 1 2nd 22 Hot Doubles 2 3rd 16 Hot Doubles 3 4th 18 Hot Doubles 4 5th 7 5 6th 7 6 7th 6 7 8th 4 Win D's 8 9th 2 Win D's 9 10th 2 Win D's 10 11th 2

So, the 1st draw(i.e. 0 skips) ,following the first appearance of either a double or triple, had 28 doubles. Likewise, the 2nd draw(i.e. 1 skip) ,following the first appearance of either a double or triple, had 22 doubles. Once more, the 3rd draw(i.e. 2 skips) had 16 total doubles after the first appearance of either a double or triple.

Now, as we can see, most doubles fell ,within the first 4 draws, after the first appearance of either a double or triple. Also, take notice of the downward trend of doubles as we continue outward. Lastly, take notice of the steep drop(i.e. from 18 to 7 total doubles) as we go from the 4th draw to the 5th one.

In comparison, Win D's doubles trap doesn't target doubles where they mostly occur, whereas the Hot Doubles trap does. Although, in fairness, the number of doubles being caught ,by the Hot Doubles trap, would be lower than shown since step #1 is not being accounted for. Nevertheless, the number of doubles would still be ,significantly, higher than that of Win D's doubles trap.

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Well, you've outdone yourself ,this time, with all your manipulation. But, you're a creepy one ,gary, to be saying anything ,at all, about little boys with their pants off. Most likely, this was the kind of person you were ,as a child, and still are as an adult. Still, let's take a look at the following facts.

FACT - Win D's doubles trap is ,in reality, a singles trap.

FACT - Win D's doubles chart ,clearly, shows that lengthy losing streaks can ,and do, occur for multiple states.

FACT - Win D ,himself, had admitted his doubles trap has not performed that well in New York.

FACT - Win D ,himself, has stated that most doubles fall "way before" the 8th, 9th, and 10th draws. This is the major flaw in the logic of Win D's doubles trap since it requires one to wait for ,at least, 7 consecutive singles.

FACT - A losing streak of 9 consecutive losses ,using Win D's doubles trap, was shown for New York and ,also, has nothing to do with the important discovery.

FACT - There was NEVER any claim that the Hot Doubles Trap solves the problem of long losing streaks.

FACT - The Hot Doubles Trap is meant to be played for ,any point, up to 4 consecutive draws. The 3rd consecutive single(i.e. step #3) was being regarded as a ,potential, point ,on which, to play doubles for the 4th draw. Understandably, this caused some confusion.

FACT - There was NO claim , in my original post, that you will win following the steps.

FACT - The Hot Doubles Trap has nothing to do with trying to get 3 or 4 doubles in a row. Now, once either a double or triple comes out ,during the 4 draws(i.e. step 3), you're supposed to stop playing and repeat the steps. So, in other words, you'd be playing doubles ,up to 4 draws, only as long as singles keep coming out.

FACT - Gary seems to have a sick relationship with his lava lamp and ,most likely, suffers from objectophilia(i.e. attraction to objects).

FACT - Our CREEPY friend ,gary, doesn't want to hear any of this.

Anyway, gary claims that ,since 2008, 51% of doubles hit between the 7th and 10th draws. But, 51% is pretty marginal and ,therefore, not a strong case. For example, there might be other time-frames when it's less than 50%. So, it's conceivable that more than 50% of doubles can occur from the 11th draw up.

In addition, Win D's doubles trap ignores the fact ,according to Win D himself, that most doubles occur "way before" the 8th, 9th, and 10th draws. So, these doubles are being disregarded. Yet, the purpose of a doubles trap is to trap doubles.

As an analogy, does it make sense to go fishing where there's almost no fish or would you rather go fishing where lots of fish are known to be? Likewise, would you set up traps where there's almost no fish or where plenty of fish are known to be? Of course, you'd want to go where there's more fish. But, is there any wonder why garys chart goes back to 2008? That's because the number of doubles you're ,supposedly, trying to "trap" ,for any given year, will be much lower.

Now, let's take a look at where those doubles are known to be. The following chart for New York ,basically, shows a fair comparison between Win D's doubles trap and the Hot Doubles trap with emphasis on the number of doubles.

New York (1/01/14 - now)

 consecutive singles/skips draw total doubles Trap 0 1st 28 Hot Doubles 1 2nd 22 Hot Doubles 2 3rd 16 Hot Doubles 3 4th 18 Hot Doubles 4 5th 7 5 6th 7 6 7th 6 7 8th 4 Win D's 8 9th 2 Win D's 9 10th 2 Win D's 10 11th 2

So, the 1st draw(i.e. 0 skips) ,following the first appearance of either a double or triple, had 28 doubles. Likewise, the 2nd draw(i.e. 1 skip) ,following the first appearance of either a double or triple, had 22 doubles. Once more, the 3rd draw(i.e. 2 skips) had 16 total doubles after the first appearance of either a double or triple.

Now, as we can see, most doubles fell ,within the first 4 draws, after the first appearance of either a double or triple. Also, take notice of the downward trend of doubles as we continue outward. Lastly, take notice of the steep drop(i.e. from 18 to 7 total doubles) as we go from the 4th draw to the 5th one.

In comparison, Win D's doubles trap doesn't target doubles where they mostly occur, whereas the Hot Doubles trap does. Although, in fairness, the number of doubles being caught ,by the Hot Doubles trap, would be lower than shown since step #1 is not being accounted for. Nevertheless, the number of doubles would still be ,significantly, higher than that of Win D's doubles trap.

Hey Short Bus,

Don't need to go point by point, the MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU SAID IS:

FACT - There was NO claim, in my original post, that you will win following the steps.

Oh Really? I mean, REALLY? Let me get this straight.

You mean you ragged WIN D's System in the original thread, talked up how your system beat it and solved the problems (only you) found, and continued the trash talk through  3(?) threads and now....now.....NOW YOU SAY......

I NEVER CLAIMED IT WORKED?

YOU wasted all this time and energy just for the sake of arguing KNOWING your proclaimed "important discovery", your "system that beats WIN D's Doubles Trap," made page after page of disparaging remarks, went in to Frankie's thread and told her to post numbers......you did all this KNOWING this would not work?

You claimed yours was the "correct way" to play doubles, you called people trolls, and went so far to say they were twisting your words when they disagreed and....now....now

you have the gumption to say....

I NEVER CLAIMED IT WORKED?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

G

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Gary,

I think you're on to something. Psycho does seem to be suffering from some spectrum disorder. Notice how he's fixates on you not "defending me", on you "not mentioning" me,  me "sucking up" to you (that must be really important to him *chuckle*) and statements I've made? I'd bet he reads them over and over and over again. So sad.

Anyway, You're spot on with your assessment.

Well, you can try and deflect all you want, but there's no denying that my assessment of you is spot-on. That's because you've ,undoubtedly, proved that your lips are fixated on garys arse

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All that writing and no impact.

You seem to be really obsessed with Gary and I. You also are very obsessed with "Gary not defending" me. I see this is very important to you. Does it keep you up at night?

Anyhow, run along little lonely psychopath. :) You're witless, banal, and pointless.

Run along and find another gremlin to mate with. :) You've served your purpose of entertaining me and you've become stale.

Now Shoo.

Well, apparently, I've made enough of an impact to make you respond and ,for that matter, keep coming back for more. But, as mentioned, you contradict yourself since you say one thing and do another.

Frank says...

"You don't mean diddly to me P3G" - But, yet, you keep responding and proving otherwise

"You just weren't worth the effort" - But, yet, I keep putting you to work

"I am tired of wasting my time" - But, apparently, your time isn't that valuable since you continue to waste it

"Just ignore the sociopath" - But, apparently, you're incapable of taking your own advice

"now I've bored of him. He's discarded" - But, apparently, you're so bored of your own life that you need me for your entertainment

"You're witless, banal, and pointless" - But, not as much as what you have to say

Anyway, we can expect for Frank to continue responding since she can't help but contradict herself. Not only that, but she can't help but continue to be a pathetic suck up. What a shame she is

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Anyway to put a lock on this thread.

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Hello Frankie,

But it does make sense.

I was about to tell him if he thinks I'm being mean to him, he should see how I treated my students with real brains, but that seems out of line at this point.

Thanks,

G

Well, apparently, that proves you're a mean human being since you've treated your students worse. But, you can't teach people with "real brains" since you don't ,so to speak, have one ,to begin with, yourself

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