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# 3 Years Later and over \$60 Thousand Down...

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If people are willing to POOL money with friends and strangers just to win the lottery.

Heck, why not POOL together to start another successful Amazon, Microsoft, or Apple business story?

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If people are willing to POOL money with friends and strangers just to win the lottery.

Heck, why not POOL together to start another successful Amazon, Microsoft, or Apple business story?

You don't have to pool your money with friends or anyone else to invest in those companies, you can buy their stock any time on your own.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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The odds calculator that I wrote and have been testing suggest trying that with Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) I would only get 10% of my money back with 19 wins, one 4of6 paying \$70 and 18 3of6 paying \$2 each.

First of all, for the record let's stipulate all unique combinations have an equal chance of being drawn in any draw.

The problem is targeting 3 and 4 number prizes hoping to win a jackpot.

Taking a Jackpot Shot is different from wheeling where we weave a net of numbers to capture three or four number prizes hoping to get lucky by the wheel winning above its guarantee.

Both may possess elements in common.  The difference is the Jackpot Shot doesn't necessarily guarantee a three number prize, while the wheel guarantees only the three number prize.

The proposed Jackpot Shot like the wheel uses all the numbers in the game.

We create groups of three numbers either without reason or based on their history of being drawn together either as triples or pairs with a number in common.

Each three number group or set is then played against all the other three number groups or sets in turn.  This works perfectly for games divisible by three, other games require more sets to cover additional numbers.

What makes this strategy unique is what happens when two of the three number sets (3+3) prove correct, a Jackpot is guaranteed!  Other combinations of (3+2+1) (3+1+1+1) (2+2+2) (2+2+1+1) (2+1+1+1+1) can generate multiple lower tier prizes where 50% (1+1+1+1+1+1) fails to win a three number prize and we saved more then that prize by taking the Jackpot Shot in place of the (49,6,3,6)=163 wheel.

Not saying this makes it easier to win.  Your mileage may vary.  What it does is target the desired jackpot prize at a comparably low cost to put all the numbers into play and can potentially (50/50) to pull in lower tier prizes as well.

BobP

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I started a lotto group in Cali back in the middle of 2011 and now we have just passed the \$60 Thousand mark in total tickets purchased.

I never thought the group would last this long. <snip>, maybe 1 year and maybe it was a done deal.

There are only 8 of us and I assume we will eventually pass the \$100K point in 3-4 more years.

I was running some numbers and if 1 person spent \$100 month = \$1200 per year X 50 years straight, its about the same amount that we have spent; crazy ass <snip>…hahahahaha

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What is the strategy of your group?

Do you play 1000 easy pick or 10 \$100 wheels?

One strategy is good over an interval of time.  The other isn't.

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First of all, for the record let's stipulate all unique combinations have an equal chance of being drawn in any draw.

The problem is targeting 3 and 4 number prizes hoping to win a jackpot.

Taking a Jackpot Shot is different from wheeling where we weave a net of numbers to capture three or four number prizes hoping to get lucky by the wheel winning above its guarantee.

Both may possess elements in common.  The difference is the Jackpot Shot doesn't necessarily guarantee a three number prize, while the wheel guarantees only the three number prize.

The proposed Jackpot Shot like the wheel uses all the numbers in the game.

We create groups of three numbers either without reason or based on their history of being drawn together either as triples or pairs with a number in common.

Each three number group or set is then played against all the other three number groups or sets in turn.  This works perfectly for games divisible by three, other games require more sets to cover additional numbers.

What makes this strategy unique is what happens when two of the three number sets (3+3) prove correct, a Jackpot is guaranteed!  Other combinations of (3+2+1) (3+1+1+1) (2+2+2) (2+2+1+1) (2+1+1+1+1) can generate multiple lower tier prizes where 50% (1+1+1+1+1+1) fails to win a three number prize and we saved more then that prize by taking the Jackpot Shot in place of the (49,6,3,6)=163 wheel.

Not saying this makes it easier to win.  Your mileage may vary.  What it does is target the desired jackpot prize at a comparably low cost to put all the numbers into play and can potentially (50/50) to pull in lower tier prizes as well.

BobP

I'm a big believer in simulation, if it can't be simulated on paper then it's almost impossible to do for real.  Besides, trying that is outside my \$10 range.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Besides covering all the Mega numbers I assume there being 27, there's really no strategy.

Our ticket guy (Ret Military 25 years) buys all quick picks, besides the Static 27 Numbers then sends the tickets to us once a week.

Im sure most of our players don't even check these tickets until, its over \$300 million.

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Besides covering all the Mega numbers I assume there being 27, there's really no strategy.

Our ticket guy (Ret Military 25 years) buys all quick picks, besides the Static 27 Numbers then sends the tickets to us once a week.

Im sure most of our players don't even check these tickets until, its over \$300 million.

There are 15 mega numbers.

CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR \$2)

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There are 15 mega numbers.

As he said they have no strategy, not even checking their tickets unless the jackpot is over \$300M.  Do you really expect them to be aware of the current matrix?  For all he knows they could have missed out on collecting some winnings.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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I'm a big believer in simulation, if it can't be simulated on paper then it's almost impossible to do for real.  Besides, trying that is outside my \$10 range.

You're in luck RJOh, it's scalable.  For \$10 = ten lines/tickets you can have five sets of three numbers played against each other in ten lines.  Simply swap your best picks you hope will be drawn together as three number sets for my place holder numbers.

01-02-03 | 04-05-06 | 07-08-09 | 10-11-12 | 13-14-15

1  2  3 |  4  5  6
1  2  3 |  7  8  9
1  2  3 | 10 11 12
1  2  3 | 13 14 15
4  5  6 |  7  8  9
4  5  6 | 10 11 12
4  5  6 | 13 14 15
7  8  9 | 10 11 12
7  8  9 | 13 14 15
10 11 12 | 13 14 15

Not only do any two correct sets of 3 = Jackpot, the first 9, middle 9 and final 9 numbers each form 100% (9,6,4,5)=3 line wheels, the first and last 12 numbers form 100% (12,6,4,6)=6 line wheels and the overall wheel has a 100% (15,6,3,6)=10 line guarantee.  Not to mention the multiple prizes possible when you get a set of three right and another number or two right in one of the other sets.

BobP

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You're in luck RJOh, it's scalable.  For \$10 = ten lines/tickets you can have five sets of three numbers played against each other in ten lines.  Simply swap your best picks you hope will be drawn together as three number sets for my place holder numbers.

01-02-03 | 04-05-06 | 07-08-09 | 10-11-12 | 13-14-15

1  2  3 |  4  5  6
1  2  3 |  7  8  9
1  2  3 | 10 11 12
1  2  3 | 13 14 15
4  5  6 |  7  8  9
4  5  6 | 10 11 12
4  5  6 | 13 14 15
7  8  9 | 10 11 12
7  8  9 | 13 14 15
10 11 12 | 13 14 15

Not only do any two correct sets of 3 = Jackpot, the first 9, middle 9 and final 9 numbers each form 100% (9,6,4,5)=3 line wheels, the first and last 12 numbers form 100% (12,6,4,6)=6 line wheels and the overall wheel has a 100% (15,6,3,6)=10 line guarantee.  Not to mention the multiple prizes possible when you get a set of three right and another number or two right in one of the other sets.

BobP

Thanks Bob, I'll may try this wheel the next time I play a 6/49 game with 15 numbers in mind.  Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) is still recovering from its last win but could be playable in a few weeks.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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You're in luck RJOh, it's scalable.  For \$10 = ten lines/tickets you can have five sets of three numbers played against each other in ten lines.  Simply swap your best picks you hope will be drawn together as three number sets for my place holder numbers.

01-02-03 | 04-05-06 | 07-08-09 | 10-11-12 | 13-14-15

1  2  3 |  4  5  6
1  2  3 |  7  8  9
1  2  3 | 10 11 12
1  2  3 | 13 14 15
4  5  6 |  7  8  9
4  5  6 | 10 11 12
4  5  6 | 13 14 15
7  8  9 | 10 11 12
7  8  9 | 13 14 15
10 11 12 | 13 14 15

Not only do any two correct sets of 3 = Jackpot, the first 9, middle 9 and final 9 numbers each form 100% (9,6,4,5)=3 line wheels, the first and last 12 numbers form 100% (12,6,4,6)=6 line wheels and the overall wheel has a 100% (15,6,3,6)=10 line guarantee.  Not to mention the multiple prizes possible when you get a set of three right and another number or two right in one of the other sets.

BobP

Checked your suggestion with Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) which as of 3/25/15 had 1280 drawings.  So far they had produced 13,780 combinations of threes of a possible 18,424 which had hit 1-9 times.

Using the top five combinations of threes that had no duplicates:
06 22 44 = 9 times
30 31 39 = 8   "
07 25 28 = 7   "
10 12 29 = 7   "
05 13 20 = 6   "

I check the group of 15 numbers: 05 06 07 10 12 13 20 22 25 28 29 30 31 39 44
As a group they had only matched six one time and five thirteen times in 1280 drawings. I doubt if wheeling them into 10 lines would even come close to doing as well so it's back to the drawing board.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Checked your suggestion with Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) which as of 3/25/15 had 1280 drawings.  So far they had produced 13,780 combinations of threes of a possible 18,424 which had hit 1-9 times.

Using the top five combinations of threes that had no duplicates:
06 22 44 = 9 times
30 31 39 = 8   "
07 25 28 = 7   "
10 12 29 = 7   "
05 13 20 = 6   "

I check the group of 15 numbers: 05 06 07 10 12 13 20 22 25 28 29 30 31 39 44
As a group they had only matched six one time and five thirteen times in 1280 drawings. I doubt if wheeling them into 10 lines would even come close to doing as well so it's back to the drawing board.

Try looking at pairs with a number in common for creating the three number sets.  BobP

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i tracked a year of playing my wheel of every number, thats basically having every horse in the race on 1 ticket some where. For the year 2014 i returned %32 . thats with a few pools, combing all their picks, with ones i was free to choose the numbers on. and getting the basic coverage i wanted. so min i can say im getting a 1/3 return or 1/3 reduction in prices.

2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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Try looking at pairs with a number in common for creating the three number sets.  BobP

Tried that years ago with no better results.  Wheeling only make sense until you think about it.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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i use covermaster to generate a 2/6 or 2/7 wheel with all numbers from 45 or 40 . to get my all numbers in 8 tickets. ea pool has 4 tickets, but after a 30M jackpot is reached they play the other 4. and ea pool then gets 8 tickets. making the total 24 tickets for all pools on ozlotto and power ball , here in aust.

Im happy for the discount while casing a big win.

2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297

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