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Which is better, Skill or Luck?

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Skillful Player or Feelin' Lucky?

Skill [ 26 ]  [48.15%]
Luck [ 28 ]  [51.85%]
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Posted: September 5, 2015, 7:22 am - IP Logged

he said skill..... she said.....luck Psyko said.....

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    Posted: September 5, 2015, 10:12 pm - IP Logged

    It takes SKILL to play and win Pick 3/4.   It takes SKILL to PLAY Pick 5/PB/MM, but it takes LUCK to WIN Pick 5/PB/MM.

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      Posted: September 16, 2015, 11:53 am - IP Logged

      It takes SKILL to play and win Pick 3/4.   It takes SKILL to PLAY Pick 5/PB/MM, but it takes LUCK to WIN Pick 5/PB/MM.

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        Posted: September 16, 2015, 12:38 pm - IP Logged

        he said skill..... she said.....luck Psyko said.....

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        I Agree!

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          Luck is important with anything, but it depends on what you are doing.  With some gambling events, you do need some skill (from experience) and luck. Something like bowling, golf, you need more skill.  Lottery?  Well, more luck than skill - but, some skill (if you have a method or can win if xyz occurs).

          With Scratch Off cards?   You need both - Skill from watching, keeping up with the game, developing (or trying) new methods, and some luck because of distribution - which, according to an Insider on a Reddit thread, even the Lotto people don't know where the Jackpot packets are distributed to.  I find that hard to believe.  Yes, I'm sure that a game is printed all at once, but someone would have to insert 'code' into the printing process with some language that would randomly print Jackpot cards in a manner where no one knew when or where they would be after game was printed.  Surely SOMEONE checked the printing before the covering was added to the cards? 

          A Lotto Supervisor with high Security-Access (in Iowa, I think) rigged the camera's that watched over the computer room where DRAW info was kept, and he fixed the cameras to record only 1 second per minute, then slipped in and used a flash-drive and got info to win a large jackpot.  He won, but the STORE cameras were not fixed, and they recorded him buying the ticket.  But . . . Someone was smart enough to check the cameras before he could switch the cameras back to normal. And the other people with these keys were checked out and denied they did it.  So, he was unlucky?  Or, did he lack skill?  Or brains?  But, what about the answer to the question: "Who switched the Camera settings?"  Even IF he could have switched them back, wouldn't he need to have further plans in order to remain anonymous?  Cashing it, bank accounts, a lot of people looking for any trace.  Sure, if he could have switched the cameras back, they would still have shown only 1 second of recording per minute if anyone checked that out.  No luck and no skill.

          I don't want to be lucky to just simply win - I want to be lucky enough to find a method or system that works and not have to depend on luck.  So,  lucky enough to use skill, and skilled enough to generate enough luck that will lead me to a system or method that would allow me to find certain days, or combinations to play those and win.  I'd be happy with that - it would be more satisfying.  Like tonight - trying a new (because it's complete I believe) method that I've developed for the Lotto 6/54.  If I've found the right processes, it will work.  If not, still work to do (assuming it is possible AND some RNG won't switch to another number set after detecting a winning ticket).

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            Luck is important with anything, but it depends on what you are doing.  With some gambling events, you do need some skill (from experience) and luck. Something like bowling, golf, you need more skill.  Lottery?  Well, more luck than skill - but, some skill (if you have a method or can win if xyz occurs).

            With Scratch Off cards?   You need both - Skill from watching, keeping up with the game, developing (or trying) new methods, and some luck because of distribution - which, according to an Insider on a Reddit thread, even the Lotto people don't know where the Jackpot packets are distributed to.  I find that hard to believe.  Yes, I'm sure that a game is printed all at once, but someone would have to insert 'code' into the printing process with some language that would randomly print Jackpot cards in a manner where no one knew when or where they would be after game was printed.  Surely SOMEONE checked the printing before the covering was added to the cards? 

            A Lotto Supervisor with high Security-Access (in Iowa, I think) rigged the camera's that watched over the computer room where DRAW info was kept, and he fixed the cameras to record only 1 second per minute, then slipped in and used a flash-drive and got info to win a large jackpot.  He won, but the STORE cameras were not fixed, and they recorded him buying the ticket.  But . . . Someone was smart enough to check the cameras before he could switch the cameras back to normal. And the other people with these keys were checked out and denied they did it.  So, he was unlucky?  Or, did he lack skill?  Or brains?  But, what about the answer to the question: "Who switched the Camera settings?"  Even IF he could have switched them back, wouldn't he need to have further plans in order to remain anonymous?  Cashing it, bank accounts, a lot of people looking for any trace.  Sure, if he could have switched the cameras back, they would still have shown only 1 second of recording per minute if anyone checked that out.  No luck and no skill.

            I don't want to be lucky to just simply win - I want to be lucky enough to find a method or system that works and not have to depend on luck.  So,  lucky enough to use skill, and skilled enough to generate enough luck that will lead me to a system or method that would allow me to find certain days, or combinations to play those and win.  I'd be happy with that - it would be more satisfying.  Like tonight - trying a new (because it's complete I believe) method that I've developed for the Lotto 6/54.  If I've found the right processes, it will work.  If not, still work to do (assuming it is possible AND some RNG won't switch to another number set after detecting a winning ticket).

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            We don't have to worry about someone messing around with draw computers in Texas, because we have only mechanical ball draws. It's not impossible to rig ball draws, but it is a lot harder to do.

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              Posted: September 19, 2015, 4:58 pm - IP Logged

              P762>CC>RBE:

                                  I Agree! PLAY "HARD" ball with "BRAINS" no RNG!

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                Posted: September 23, 2015, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

                Well the OP was posted on Aug 3rd and as luck would have it the votes are tied!

                Lep

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  My vote is Skill.  Here's why ... First and foremost what game(s) are we talking about?  Take the pick 3/4 when we KNOW that a 0-3-6 and/or it's mirror follows a 0 a high % of the time how us that luck

                  When we study, I mean TRULY study games like the power ball and KNOW that 100% of the time YES 109% of the time at least 1 back digit repeats and sometimes 3-5 hiw us that luck?

                  ive won too much money these past 2 years working hard, studying for hours ... I mean 60+ hours a week on the jackpot games I've never seen me win once on luck by going to the store , fill out a ticket and go la la la skip to loo all the way up to the register 

                  IMHO yes more folks win off of QPs and you can say they are all lucky. Why? Because they have no clue how to predict any of the numbers plus again IMHO the % of lottery jackpot winners is skewed by their statistics. I think they claim 70% of the people win off QPs....hmm....let's get 100 people in a room and split this group into two groups.  Group A buys QPs, a Group B picks their own numbers   Now we have a true % to go buy and I bet group B will win more often   The ur 70% is based off of millions of people.  So let's  say 2 million buy QPs and 100,000 pick their own numbers.   Well duh of course the QPs will have a higher percentage of winners. Let's match apples with apples

                  Honestly, it doesn't matter.  Given enough time Group A and Group B winnings will be identical.  I have two systems.  My preferred system is playing cold numbers.  In fact that is all I spend at the lottery terminal.  The method I use is very easy to reverse to pick hot numbers.  I post my cold numbers to LP predictions, but I keep both sets of numbers for my own amusement.  When my cold picks seem to run dry, the hot picks seem to be doing better, and vice verse.  Which one does better is unpredictable.  When I experimented with a neutral set of numbers by splitting hot/neutral/cold into as close to 1/3 as possible, and generating 3 sets of numbers, the results were the same.  Neither system came out ahead.  I've got 64 GB of ram and produce 1 million rows of these predictions in Excel, then import those results into Access.  It doesn't take long to have a list of 100 million predictions.  You know, playing hot, cold, or neutral with 100 million predictions still does not generate winners MOST draws.  Pseudo random generators suck, that's what I'm trying to say because how in the world can I 'predict' 300 million guesses and still miss occasionally?!

                   

                  Even the Powerball FAQ says:

                  WHICH HAS THE BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING: COMPUTER PICKS OR PLAYER PICKS?

                  About 70% to 80% of purchases are computer picks. About 70% to80% of winners are computer picks. Perhaps just one of those weird coincidences?

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                    Posted: September 24, 2015, 11:05 am - IP Logged

                    Even the Powerball FAQ says:

                    "... WHICH HAS THE BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING: COMPUTER PICKS OR PLAYER PICKS?

                    About 70% to 80% of purchases are computer picks. About 70% to 80% of winners are computer picks. Perhaps just one of those weird coincidences? ..."

                     

                    Actually, as luck would have it, this is only half the fact.

                    To be correct, it should say:

                    "... About 70% to 80% of winners and Losers are computer picks..."

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                      Posted: September 25, 2015, 8:31 am - IP Logged

                      I read that as 140% to 160% of winners and Losers are computer picks...

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                        Cognitively Challenged?

                        Uh-aaahhh-oo-Kaay then... moving on.

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                          Even the Powerball FAQ says:

                          "... WHICH HAS THE BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING: COMPUTER PICKS OR PLAYER PICKS?

                          About 70% to 80% of purchases are computer picks. About 70% to 80% of winners are computer picks. Perhaps just one of those weird coincidences? ..."

                           

                          Actually, as luck would have it, this is only half the fact.

                          To be correct, it should say:

                          "... About 70% to 80% of winners and Losers are computer picks..."

                          JADELottery,

                          That's true but it doesn't negate the fact that in the long run out of every 10 jackpot winners 7 or 8 were quick picks.

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            JADELottery,

                            That's true but it doesn't negate the fact that in the long run out of every 10 jackpot winners 7 or 8 were quick picks.

                            Stating the obvious doesn't negate Millions of quick pick losers either.

                            Lucky for US, we Skilfully have another topic contrasting quick picks and self picks: Would you stop playing the lottery if you were restricted to Quick Picks?

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                              Stating the obvious doesn't negate Millions of quick pick losers either.

                              Lucky for US, we Skilfully have another topic contrasting quick picks and self picks: Would you stop playing the lottery if you were restricted to Quick Picks?

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                              Nor does it negates the one time PB had over two hundreds 5+0 winners they were all self picks even if they were from a fortune cookie.  Quick picks have never come close to doing that.

                              For me quick picks are my back-up plan when I don't have time to pick may own numbers.

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