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mjwinsmith's avatar - moon

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Posted: February 7, 2012, 4:22 pm - IP Logged

What do you think?  Should lottery money be 100% poured into K-12 education, or should it be spent in a more diverse way, like various scholarships, rewards, and community colleges, in addition to K-12?

I think we should start at the begining, the bulk should go to K-12, we should start them up there on the path that they should go and hopefully they will not depart from it. If we fail at that level they will never make it to college level or any other level. Just my two cents.

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    In the state of sc, 6.9% of a teacher's check is taken out and put into the retirement system. That teacher can retire after 28 years and draw a check. Guess what? There is an alarming amount of teachers in sc that are retiring and the state can't pay them. So they are thinking about taking 7.9% now and making the teachers do 30 years instead of 28 like they do in nc. Btw, teachers in nc have not had a raise in 4 years.

    My question..WHERE IS THE SO CALLED EDUCATION LOTTERY MONEY GOING?? My guess...someone's pocket.

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      what about those that chose home schooling? they shouldnt be left out either. a grant system for home schooling should ber set up.

      on a tangental note, lucky they didnt get my old math teacher to run the lottery, he rekoned only idiots play lottery.

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        Posted: February 7, 2012, 6:35 pm - IP Logged

        What do you think?  Should lottery money be 100% poured into K-12 education, or should it be spent in a more diverse way, like various scholarships, rewards, and community colleges, in addition to K-12?

        schools are a failure. home schooling is the answer. let k-12 continue to be the day care centers. invest the money in vouchers for private schools for the poor. i used to teach at a university and the kids were ignorant. teach them hoe to clean and mow grass. the results will be the same.

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          Posted: February 7, 2012, 7:41 pm - IP Logged

          I approve any measure that will investigate Florida Lottery and make sure that they are doing what they are supposed to legallyThumbs Up

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            Posted: February 7, 2012, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

            They should leave it alone and keep it the same. As soon as they make an exception for this, they will make an exception for that.... next thing you know, no one can keep track of where the funds are going and the fed will step in and close down the lottery. Well, maybe not that bad lol but if they want to utilize funds, perhaps they should create new games for that ?!?!?!?!?!? Know what Im saying? Wink

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              Posted: February 7, 2012, 7:55 pm - IP Logged

              The "for the chil-ren" angle gets the saps every time.

              It's not like the pols are going to see a pile of money sitting there and go "Now, now, we must leave that for its exact purported purposes, and not steer it to a pet project."

              The whole money-grab and indoctrination scam known as "public schooling" should be shut down.

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                They should leave it alone and keep it the same. As soon as they make an exception for this, they will make an exception for that.... next thing you know, no one can keep track of where the funds are going and the fed will step in and close down the lottery. Well, maybe not that bad lol but if they want to utilize funds, perhaps they should create new games for that ?!?!?!?!?!? Know what Im saying? Wink

                The money originally was supposed to go into k-12 education so it is not an exception.

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                  Posted: February 7, 2012, 9:02 pm - IP Logged

                  I think the money should go to K-12 and some of it to the first two years of college.  The only problem I have is that I feel that NONE of the money should go to teacher salaries or bonuses.  It all should go to getting updated technology for the students, newer learning tools, laptops, new science equipment, scientific calculators, etc.  The schools could be updated maybe 10 at a time. and when all are finished, then the improvements should be maintained on a regular basis.  I have never understood why schools are not required to furnish the students with Ipads, laptops(if they don't ipads), ebook readers, etc.  If the US wants to improve student learning, they need to improve the tools students work with.  The old ways of learning are drab and tedious; the new student who is expected learn needs new tools for a new way of learning.

                  I take it you don't work. Guess what? Teachers are people in case you did not know. You telling me if you worked and your company did not give you a raise, that would be okay with you? That what's happening in nc with the teachers. No raises, but more work is pile on from people who have never been in the classroom. They sit on their ass in Raleigh and dream up stupid stuff for teachers to do. 

                  The cost of living goes up every year and teachers in nc have not had a raise in 4 years.  Even a kid can do the math on this one!!

                  I take it take you have not been in a classroom, the kids have nice calculators, smartboards, computers. They are allowed to bring ipads and some instances cell phones. The kids have everything EXCEPT PARENTING. The parents can't handle their own kids but expect teachers to work miracles with their bad, undisciplined, snotty-nose chaps.

                  Now like i said...WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING FROM THE SO-CALLED EDUCATION LOTTERY????????????

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                    Posted: February 7, 2012, 9:35 pm - IP Logged

                    The sad part of all this is that lottery money has been used, especially the past 10-15 years, as 'in lieu of' funding for schools.  That means taxes are cut, or funding to schools decreased, in the amount (sometimes less as here in Virginia) transfered from lottery 'aid'.  One big reason nearly every state does this is to get out of a having to pay for schools with increased tax rates as are really needed to fund them.   A recent study showed that every state that funds schools with lottery proceeds has actually, in real dollars, decreased school spending.  As many are finding out as well, the lottery is about maxed out and has hit the point of saturation: basically, no matter how many of those 'I am a lottery rich dude' ads they run no more money is going to come in.  In short, they have hit 'peak lottery' saturation. 

                    The lottery has been sold to the public using kids and schools as an excuse pretty much since day one.  The first lottery in New Hampshire started the trend, and it has been used in nearly every state since to justify a lottery, and to appease religious and anti-gambling elements in each.  Some states, wisely, have used lottery money in the past to pay for expensive, one off type projects or to fund public works and the likes.  The idea to use lottery funds for schools, however, has been their principle use nationwide.

                    I really think we're going to see a wave of school funding problems as peak lottery funds starts sinking in across the country.  As the Senator in the article noted, he voted for the lottery and was surprised the funds weren't being used as sold to the assembly by lottery proponents.  By proponents, we're talking about the major lottery contractors who, when a lottery is being proposed, come into town and provide state agencies with a basic gameplan to sell the lottery to voters and elected officials.  They then have an inside track to getting that states lottery contract and business.   Someone should look at the gross amount of money lottery contractors take off the top of lottery funds and start pointing fingers at them.  For what they do, basically marketing, printing, distribution and actually conducting the games they are grossly overpaid.  As the Senator is finding out, state lottery agencies have very little to do with day-to-day lottery operations: its all done by contractors, who, basically, run the state lottery agencies.  They don't distribute funds, but, when issues like this pop up they will lead the war-room operations to beat anyone who tries to change how the lottery is run.  This 'lottery protection force' is the ultimate nasty-trick to players, voters and elected officials.  And, it shows us all who is really running our lotteries.  But, since the lottery has been a cash-cow until recently, no one dared question how contractors actually ran it.

                    Hopefully, that will change soon.  Maybe states will get rid of the contractors and run lotteries with state workers who are responsible to the people and elected officials.  Maybe states will start to question why they're paying contractors so much money for the little they actually do.  And maybe leaders will start to figure out that the whole lottery system needs major changes, from how they are run to how much the prizes are to how you are allowed to actually claim your prize if you are lucky enough to win.  Maybe change how lottery wins are taxed and how, most importantly, how proceeds are allocated to schools and other state agencies.   I still believe, that if the payout amount is raised, taxes on winnings changed to something in line with captial gains levels and winners nationwide have an actual choice on how they claim their prize then play will actually increase.  As we have seen recently some winners have gone to great lenghts to avoid claiming prizes publicly.  I don't think that has a positive effect on play levels: if you actually do win, then you get to become cannon fodder for the media and then get to find out how hard it is to live a normal life.

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                      I am a Florida resident and I personally know a Bright Futures scholarship recipient.  I disagree with anyone who believes that investing in the education of our children is wasteful.   I can't think of a better place to spend money than a child's future.

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                        I am a Florida resident and I personally know a Bright Futures scholarship recipient.  I disagree with anyone who believes that investing in the education of our children is wasteful.   I can't think of a better place to spend money than a child's future.

                        I am an Iowa resident and I personally know several dozen  educated people.Their degrees are only good to have as something to talk about while standing in the unemployment line.The only people that benefit from everyone going to college are  the professers and other people who work for the Universitys.They get to keep their government paid jobs.Most high school students are NOT college material.What this country needs is more jobs in the manufacturing segment of society and less college educated idiots that can't tell their a$$ from a hole in the ground.We put entirely to much emphasis on education and not nearly enough on job creation.We can't all be rocket scientists,their is just not enough rocket science jobs to go around.We can't all be docters or lawyers or mental health experts or (pick a field) because their are not enough of those jobs to go around either.

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                          I agree the money that goes to Fin Aid really does not go to the students, but to the colleges. Trust me I never received any of that aid.  I feel that the money should always go through K-12 since they need it the most. I also think that Florida should put back the Florida state lotto back to 3 million since we had the powerball it doesn't get high any more. 2 million yeah its nice, but bring back the good old days when the jackpots use to be big.

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                            Doing an internet search for "Does lottery money really go into education?" produces a lot of interesting hits.

                            Virginia is one example:

                            According to educators who have watched the lottery for years, much of the public believes the lottery money is extra funding, on top of what the state is required to give. They remember the lottery being pitched that way, as bonus funding, when Virginians voted on it 24 years ago.

                            Instead, educators say, the state is now using all of the lottery money - about $450 million a year - to meet its own obligations to the schools. None of it reaches local coffers as extra funding.

                            "They're using it instead of anteing up state aid in the general fund. That's been a slow and insidious movement that's been going on for a few years now," said Kitty Boitnott, president of the Virginia Education Association.

                            "It's a big ruse, and I don't believe Virginians, in general, are aware of it."

                            http://hamptonroads.com/2011/11/virginians-duped-about-lottery-funding-educators-say

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                            Personally I think the "Bux for education" ploy is more marketing than anything else, and while the intentions may be good all too often it just doesn't work out that way. Somes tudies have shown that lottery money goes into stated education systems only to be drawn out somewhere else in the system.

                            Going by what we see in Illinois if even a portion of the lottery money that's suppossed to be going to schools really was going to schools, we wouldn't see so many struggling schools, teacher layoffs, etc....

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              I am an Iowa resident and I personally know several dozen  educated people.Their degrees are only good to have as something to talk about while standing in the unemployment line.The only people that benefit from everyone going to college are  the professers and other people who work for the Universitys.They get to keep their government paid jobs.Most high school students are NOT college material.What this country needs is more jobs in the manufacturing segment of society and less college educated idiots that can't tell their a$$ from a hole in the ground.We put entirely to much emphasis on education and not nearly enough on job creation.We can't all be rocket scientists,their is just not enough rocket science jobs to go around.We can't all be docters or lawyers or mental health experts or (pick a field) because their are not enough of those jobs to go around either.

                              I agree 100%.  We need to take the FOCUS off of college and ON TO 'what the student is best at'  By focusing on the STUDENT rather than the IDEA of everyone goes to college we will reap the most benefit.  Many students will still go to college, but MANY more will enter the work force being happy and productive with NO STUDENT LOANS to repay. 

                              Use the money on K-12, get the failing schools back to at least passing - THEN re-look at using the money for other things.