Lottery confirms results and process were "properly vetted and verified"

By Kate Northrop

The New York Lottery's Take 5 game produced highly improbable identical results two drawings in a row yesterday.

The Take 5 Midday and Evening drawings for Thurs., Oct. 27 ended up churning out the same five numbers, which in turn led to an unusually high number of winners of the game's top prize.

Yesterday's Take 5 Midday and Evening lottery results were 18, 21, 30, 35, and 36.

Take 5 drawings are operated via mechanical ball drawing processes, as are all the games in the New York Lottery's portfolio.

"The NY Lottery can confirm that same number combination occurred for the Take 5 game for the midday and evening drawings on October 27," Lottery Director of Communications told Lottery Post. "The results and game process were properly vetted and verified by on-site independent auditors."

According to the Lottery, there were no Take 5 top prize winners in the Midday drawing on Oct. 27. For the Evening drawing, there were 52 top prize winners of $715.50.

In Take 5, prizes are paid on pari-mutuel basis, and the jackpot is divided equally among jackpot winners. If there are no jackpot winners, the amount goes to the second-tier prize level and is distributed equally across all second-tier prize winners.

The odds of matching all five numbers to win the jackpot are 1 in 575,757, which are also the odds of the two drawings having identical results.

Tony NumbersI think the odds of hitting the same combination has to be higher than 575 thousand to one.

THRIFTYTHE LOTTERY IS ALWAYS RIGGED ( They Select The Winning Combination) WHETHER THEY USE A Lottery Draw Machine OR COMPUTERIZED LOTTERY DRAWINGS.The lottery should do the same for those Mega Millions and Powerball lottery jackpots, spread it to multiple winners.WISHYOULUCKWow. I agree Thrifty. This just proves how rigged the Lottery is, but that won't change anything because people are still gonna play. 😂

rcbbuckeyeThe odds are exactly 1 in 575,757, because that is exactly how many different combinations there are in the game.

While quite rare, it obviously is possible for a combo to be drawn back to back, or perhaps months or years apart. Why not. Just because it was drawn once, doesn't mean the lottery commission is going to toss those numbers out so they can't be drawn again.

Tony NumbersTY

moneybagzOh I'm sorry but no to me that's a red flag I've seen it in the pick 3 numbers you can have the same number drawn in the day the evening but no not with the take five soon as I read that I said oh oh something ain't right it's like they forgot to put the fixed rigged combination button off and it happened the second time that's my take on it I'm a die hard numbers player have been for over a decade I have books on it I studied the history from multiple States going back 20 years I watch all the patterns the pairs everything this is not right

moneybagzI agree with you 1,000%

moneybagzThere is no way for that to happen I'm sorry (Rigged)... That was their oops moment the numbers are rigged and they made a mistake and the same numbers came up period

manhoussIt's TRUE, the dump employee forgot to set up the machine before the draw, if they would redraw, they will come up with same numbers again and again.

db101You are right of course. The problem is the conspiracy heads are more vocal and the logical explanation is too boring for them.

rcbbuckeyeUnfortunately, there are those that are either ignorant, or just not smart enough to understand that lotteries make money from selling tickets, and people winning jackpots are good for business, meaning people will buy tickets hoping to be the next winner.

You are right, conspiracy heads are more vocal, logic doesnt apply.

welington1 in 331 billion chance: Same New York lottery numbers drawn twice in one day

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KY Floyd"1 in 331 billion chance "

Don't listen to morons who either don't understand basic probability or don't know how lottery games work.

There are 575,757 possible combinations for Take Five, so the chance that

anyparticular result will occur is 1 in 575,757. The chance of drawinga particular combinationthat matchesanyspecificpast drawing is therefore 1 in 575,757 because the past drawing has already happened and it's a certainty rather than a probability. That's true whether it's about matching a specific drawing from a year ago or matching the previous drawing.What's also the exact same 1 in 575,757 chance is for whatever result happens in the next draw. The chance of the same combination that was drawn in the afternoon also being drawn in the evening is exactly the same as the chance of the combination that was drawn in the afternoon being followed by

anyspecific combination in the evening.DELotteryPlyrWhat I find odd is the

in the EVE drawing??!! I used to play the game years ago and if you saw more than 3-4 jackpot winners in one game it was rare. So for *** 52 *** players to win?? Even now you can go on NY Lottery's website and it will show the number of winners for each draw. Nothing more than a couple winners each play.number of winnersPlus, I have not seen or heard of a 'system' which you re-play the exact winning numbers from the prior play here on LP. So it does SCREAM of something is not right

MacorisanoIf the state and the corresponding authorities remain silent, they are complicit in this fraud, dial probabilities of 1 in 5,000,000, (a lie) not even in 10 years will the same numbers appear

MacorisanoIn no lottery do the same numbers come out in a draw of more than 5 numbers, not even in a year, much less on the same day, that is clearly a fraud, the TAKE 5 players are noticing something strange

Nurdugno I don't think the NY was rigged.. the same numbers come out all the time and agree with that just happened: though it is rare.. VA which I play has reverse numbers come out all the time .. mirror numbers. It is odd though that some states seem to be more prone to being able to beat the standard odds... you know the math teachers.. the so called Math students.. whatever anyway keep up the good work. :) frankly when I saw that the POWERBALL went to a BILLION I was really disgusted.. I am not sure why.. OMG. Who would want to win a BILLON DOLLARS. yeah in a vacuum.. I, for one, would not like to have that kind of notariety.. and attention by the Press for God's same even PBS or one of those govt press releases mentioned OH.. the latest blah blah winner hasn't stepped forward yet. well maybe they want some fricking privacy and not have a ZILLION so called DNA cousins show up at their door. GOOD LUCK I know you will me play.

have a good Sunday. :)

SoledadSo then why are experts saying that this fact, this anomaly, of the same Take 5 numbers being drawn twice in one day have odds of 1 in 331 billion chances of happening. Yes, that is quite rare, even rarer than winning the Powerball jackpot. I'm leaning on something else. Sure one can say, but what can one say really. Not 1 in 575,757. Not in the same day. Come on, no way.

Soledad52 top prize winners of $715.50. Don't forget the fifty cents. Win4 pays better than that.

SoledadYes. In the same day it's 1 in 331 billion Tony. Billion.

SoledadYep

SoledadYep. They call it a miracle. Can't be explained.

SoledadBut what fraud exactly. If the set up of the machines and the game itself is exactly the same, there can be no fraud technically. They aren't allowed to play because they work for the lottery, I believe. 52 winners of $712.50? What fraud? What would they hope to get out of it. I don't even play take 5. I get the idea of fraud is taking from someone and lying to someone, but it's not like they work on commission or something, it's not like they're struggling financially. NY Lottery rakes in billions of dollars a year. Why would they need to commit fraud on purpose. This whole thing is pretty strange. And I agree about the number of top prize winners being rather high. I've never seen 52 top prize winners in take 5, but I've also never seen the exact same numbers in one day. Something should be checked. Into the winners, the machines, the workers. I dunno. The old Holmes in me I guess.

KY Floyd"I have not seen or heard of a 'system' which you re-play the exact winning numbers "

The world is full of people with strange ideas. Some people think that numbers that haven't been drawn for along time become more likely the longer they go without being drawn. Others take the opposite approach and think numbers that have repeated recently are more likely to be selected. Playing the exact numbers from a previous drawing is just taking the second approach to the extreme.

"In the same day it's 1 in 331 billion "

So if you flip a coin and get heads the chances of getting heads on the very next flip is 1 in 4?

WinnersPlease! It is rigged. Because that is not considered random. That is rigged. They should have left it with humans pulling the balls during a live show.

PhillyfreshNY definitely doesn't spread the top prize money to the second place winners.

mamamary517Exactly. I have been a NY Take 5 Lottery player since it began. The odds may be the same and perhaps the same 5 numbers were randomly selected. What is mind boggling is how could zero players not pick those 5 numbers in the afternoon draw but then52 players play the same numbers at the evening draw? All same 5 numbers and not one person plays those numbers mid-day? But 52 people say "oh look, those 5 numbers came out earlier they probably will all come out again tonight" Very unlikely.

Also in the history of the NY Take 5 drawing game there have never ever been 52 winners for picking out all 5 numbers. Not even close.

I spoke to numerous NY Lottery retailers and they can't understand it either.

js1237I totally agree with you, as that was my first thought...how did 52 players decide to play the same exact numbers from the previous draw in a Take Five game.It's more likely to occur in a Pick 3 game with a 1,000 to 1 odds but not in a high odds game. Perhaps someone forgot to run the so called test draws and the previous results appeared instead.There is more to this than meets the eye.cottoneyedjoeBecause playing the previous result is a popular way to pick numbers. Maybe you and I think that's a really strange way to play, but it's what a lot of people do. Consider all the people who play 1-2-3-4-5. If that combo were drawn, there'd be hundreds, maybe thousands of winners.

KY Floyd"there have never ever been 52 winners for picking out all 5 numbers. Not even close. "

And how many other times has the winning combination been the same as the previous winning combination?

"I spoke to numerous NY Lottery retailers and they can't understand it either. "

The world is full of people who can't understand really simple concepts when they're explained, let alone figure them out on their own.

Back before QPs existed the NY lottery ran ads telling people to stop playing diagonal patterns. I forget the exact numbers but more than 8000 people were playing each of the diagonals starting from the upper right and left corners on the play slip for NY Lotto. We don't know how many people typically play 1,2,3,4,5 (and 6 for pick 6 and 5+1 games), bet slip patterns, or multiples of a starting number, but we know that when the winning numbers for any of the draw games have some sort of pattern an unusually high number of winners isn't uncommon. We saw an excellent example just over a month ago when 433 people all had the winning numbers for the Grand Lotto in the Philippines. That would be virtually impossible as a random result but people don't all choose their numbers randomly and while the winning numbers were the result of random probability they happened to be both multiples of 9 and a diagonal pattern on the play slip.

Why would 52 people playing the last winning combination surprise anyone?

cottoneyedjoeBack before QPs existed the NY lottery ran ads telling people to stop playing diagonal patterns. I forget the exact numbers but more than 8000 people were playing each of the diagonals starting from the upper right and left corners on the play slip for NY Lotto.I believe you, but why? Were they afraid they'd have to pay out too many fixed prizes in the unlikely event a pay slip pattern was drawn? Cheaper than running ads would have been to cap sales on particular combos or even better, have a liability limit. I think NY does both nowadays.

KY FloydNot sure if the relevant rules have changed since then, but currently most of the NY Lotto prizes are parimutuel. 2nd place can vary widely depending on how long it goes without a winner, while 3rd and 4th are a bit more consistent. 5th place is the only one that's fixed, and pays $1. If the prizes weren't normally parimutuel back then I'm sure they had a disclaimer in case they had an unusually high number of winners.

AFAIK it was basically a PSA to let people know that instead of the typical $3 million (annuity) jackpot prize those people were effectively playing for perhaps $200. Even the "big" jackpots back then were usually $7 to $11 million, so if either of those combinations had ever come out it's unlikely anyone would have gotten even $1000. I'm guessing that hundreds would have irrevocably quit their jobs before finding out they needed to keep working.

I'm pretty sure the only thing that would have been in their own interest was avoiding processing the unusually large number of claims, especially when most of them would have been people actually walking into a lottery office and filling out a claim form. No idea how much the odds and number of people playing have changed since then, but right now a typical drawing results in no more than a dozen or so winners that have to file a claim form. The vast majority of winners are small enough to be processed without a form by the thousands of retailers.

DELotteryPlyrSo did a quick google search to see if there were any winners that might have talked to the press about only winning $700 (ish) for a jackpot instead of the 30k (ish) it normally pays. Only looked at the first google page, but the last story on google was from Lottery Post and were my comments! That was kinda cool to see, my comments on a google search

Oh and only story I found that talked to anyone talked to a store and the owner said he thought it was 'cute' that so many won - LOL!!!