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illegal immigrants poll

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should a person who is here illegally be able to cash in lottery winnings?

yes they should be able to [ 47 ]  [32.19%]
no they should not be able to [ 89 ]  [60.96%]
not sure at this time [ 10 ]  [6.85%]
Total Valid Votes [ 146 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 17 ]  

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Posted: April 17, 2006, 3:16 am - IP Logged

No one here understands how much I love this site. They don't have a clue. You might think you know, but you haven't the foggiest.

If it wasn't for all the good folks here, throwing ideas around.....?????    THEN WHAT????????

I want to throw pure LOVE and GOODNESS through the cable lines..............

To all the peeps out there......

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    Posted: April 17, 2006, 3:33 am - IP Logged

    Here, in Belgium, all you need is a bankaccount to collect a big win.
    Btw, illegal aliens are not only to be found in the USA, in persuit of the American dream.
    Belgium, with a rather small population in comparison to the USA, just over 10 000 000, gets their share of illegal aliens, trust me.

    It's actually quite simple here, if you are illegal and get busted, the autorities will hand you over a piece of paper, stating that you must leave belgium ground within 3 days lol
    One can imagine those illegals are lining up at the border to leave...

    They just stay here, and when they manage to stay here 3 years, illegal, then prove to the government that they been in the country for those 3 years, they get a belgium passport in about 99% of the cases. (some doctors have been busted writing letters for illegals to prove those 3 years, no verdict has ever been final, there is pretty much an appeal for everything here, an illegal can find lawyers here (who are paid by the government lol) that will stretch the appeals for tens of years)
    No need to speak the language from here. It has even come this far that some politicians have ran bills to make arabic the second language to learn in school!!! (at school, at young age we must learn at least 2 languages, because Belgium is devided into 3 parts, the Flemish part (sort like Dutch) with 6 million inhabitants, the French part with 4 000 000 inhabitants and then some 20 000 german speaking in a part that was "glued" to Belgium after the big war. So Dutch and French are the languages everyone gets in school)
    We even have a king and queen that hardly speak any Dutch, and their 2 sons and 1 daughter have a seat in the senate without ever being elected. (how about that for democracy!!!! The royal family have an immens fortune in their bankaccount, gathered from the mines in Congo (former Zaïre), in a period when more than 5 000 000 men, women and children died in those mines --> we can be real proud to have a king that comes from a line in which a massmurderer lived --> ofcourse we cannot speak up about that, or national security comes pounding on your door)

    During those years, illegals can apply for a "social house" (don't know it in English, sorry) so they pay a rent that is so low it might as wel be for free. Above that they go to wellfare and collect some 700euro's per month (about $800)
    This social system is carried by ofcourse the working population, who are having a more and more difficult time now to get their own bills payed.
    Poverty is increasing each year in Belgium.
    The social system is pretty much an empty box, the financial status (don't know either how that is called in English, but it is made up each year by the government) is a disaster. It has been in balance for the last 7 years by using retirementfunds from major (or mayor?) companies, selling pretty much all government buildings (and then hire them again).

    This country takes a leading roll in pointing to the USA when it comes to issues like the gulf war, Irak, ... you name it.
    USA-bashing seems to have become a national sport overhere some years ago.
    But more and more people are not buying this anymore, and their eyes are opening one by one. 

    This country and its government are more corrupt than the italian maffia.
    (how many of those murderers that flew those planes in the WTC had either a Belgium passport or had resided in Belgium for a while? How many of those murderers that blew up that train just outside Madrid had either a Belgium passport or had resied in Belgium for a while? In Irak a woman detonated herself, what passport did she have? What passport did the man had who assasinated the Afghan warlord Massoud? The examples just go on and on...
    About a year ago 2 people have been sent to jail for .... 4 years, after they were busted with plans to blow up a military site on Belgium soil where American nukes are stored... 4 years.... can you imagine???)
    This country is run by the maffia...anyone can get a belgian passport here)

    In Belgium illegals don't have to play the lottery to win it. They get it for free, on behalf of the working women and men. (who will have paid for their own retirement their whole lives and will end up with nothing once they reach the age of 65, me being one of them)

    Brrr, sorry, i seem to be able to go on forever about this, but fact is, humans or not, illegals do not have to play the lottery to win it here...

    lasas3

    An onion a day keeps everyone away!!!

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      Posted: April 17, 2006, 7:13 am - IP Logged

      paurths, that's very interesting. I guess we aren't the only ones with a real mess here.  Thanks for sharing that. It's great to get perspective from those in another country like that.

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        Posted: April 17, 2006, 7:45 am - IP Logged

        paurths, that's very interesting. I guess we aren't the only ones with a real mess here.  Thanks for sharing that. It's great to get perspective from those in another country like that.

        It's a mess alright... Last year France was on fire, now the Danish have been "the guilty ones" (the cartoon-history)...

        I like this column very much, from April 11, 2006
        "The Solution to the Immigration Problem with Mexico Is a Communist Overthrow", by Frank J., a syndicated columnist whose columns appear worldwide on IMAO.us...

        But then again, this is not a politics-forum, so i'm not sure to post all these matters...

        lasas3

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          Posted: April 17, 2006, 10:54 am - IP Logged

          If a foreign tourist can buy a lottery ticket and claim the winnings if he wins, why not a illegal immigrant? Atleast the illegal immigrant pays some kind of tax (be it sales, income, etc) compared to foreign tourists who are only here for a very short time. If you dont want illegal immigrants to claim their winnings, dont allow them to play in the first place. If they contribute to the pot, they should be able to reap the rewards.

          A tourist is coming here with proper papers while going through a screening process at the airport. It's called customs. Tourists aren't coming here illegally. Atleast most of them, I hope.

          If a tourist wins, they dont have to pay any tax here in the U. S. They have a tax obligation in their country and whatever the lottery withholds, is given back so they can fulfill their tax obligation in their country. So our gournment gets NOTHING. I would rather have a illegal immigrant win and our government get tax revenue from the winning instead of a "properly screened tourist" winning and taking all the money to their country.

          Thats what I remember reading at the old Powerball FAQ if my memory serves me right.


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            Posted: April 17, 2006, 12:25 pm - IP Logged

            If a foreign tourist can buy a lottery ticket and claim the winnings if he wins, why not a illegal immigrant? Atleast the illegal immigrant pays some kind of tax (be it sales, income, etc) compared to foreign tourists who are only here for a very short time. If you dont want illegal immigrants to claim their winnings, dont allow them to play in the first place. If they contribute to the pot, they should be able to reap the rewards.

            A tourist is coming here with proper papers while going through a screening process at the airport. It's called customs. Tourists aren't coming here illegally. Atleast most of them, I hope.

            If a tourist wins, they dont have to pay any tax here in the U. S. They have a tax obligation in their country and whatever the lottery withholds, is given back so they can fulfill their tax obligation in their country. So our gournment gets NOTHING. I would rather have a illegal immigrant win and our government get tax revenue from the winning instead of a "properly screened tourist" winning and taking all the money to their country.

            Thats what I remember reading at the old Powerball FAQ if my memory serves me right.

            I personally don't care if this over-bloated government, that spends money like a drunken sailor gets any tax money. Less money for pork spending. You should have listened to a radio host by the name of Neal Boortz 2 months ago when he read a list of all the frivolous programs that the government is spending money on. To say the least, most of them had my head spinning. 

            Not only pork, but we also give billions away each year to other countries, but can't fund a decent health care program for the american citizens. That's shameful.

              In my opinion, the issue here is the legality of claiming the prize, not what government is gonna get the taxes.

            The link below is a list that watch group provides, and it's called the Pig Book.

            http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005

             

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              Posted: April 17, 2006, 12:45 pm - IP Logged

              If a foreign tourist can buy a lottery ticket and claim the winnings if he wins, why not a illegal immigrant? Atleast the illegal immigrant pays some kind of tax (be it sales, income, etc) compared to foreign tourists who are only here for a very short time. If you dont want illegal immigrants to claim their winnings, dont allow them to play in the first place. If they contribute to the pot, they should be able to reap the rewards.

              A tourist is coming here with proper papers while going through a screening process at the airport. It's called customs. Tourists aren't coming here illegally. Atleast most of them, I hope.

              If a tourist wins, they dont have to pay any tax here in the U. S. They have a tax obligation in their country and whatever the lottery withholds, is given back so they can fulfill their tax obligation in their country. So our gournment gets NOTHING. I would rather have a illegal immigrant win and our government get tax revenue from the winning instead of a "properly screened tourist" winning and taking all the money to their country.

              Thats what I remember reading at the old Powerball FAQ if my memory serves me right.

              I personally don't care if this over-bloated government, that spends money like a drunken sailor gets any tax money. Less money for pork spending. You should have listened to a radio host by the name of Neal Boortz 2 months ago when he read a list of all the frivolous programs that the government is spending money on. To say the least, most of them had my head spinning. 

              Not only pork, but we also give billions away each year to other countries, but can't fund a decent health care program for the american citizens. That's shameful.

                In my opinion, the issue here is the legality of claiming the prize, not what government is gonna get the taxes.

              The link below is a list that the government provides, and it's called the Pig Book.

              http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2005

               

              Neal Boortz has been frothing at the mouth about our tax system and how it's used for years.

              My last couple of blog entries highlight his remedy to our current system which forces those in the underground economy (illegals paid for work with cash and drug dealers to name a few!!) to contribute their fair share of the burden .

              http://blogs.lotterypost.com/konane/2006/04/more-about-fair-tax.htm

              http://blogs.lotterypost.com/konane/2006/04/fair-tax-info-update.htm

              Good luck to everyone!

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                Posted: April 17, 2006, 3:17 pm - IP Logged

                anyone part of that H and R BLOCK settlement about to take place?

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                  Posted: April 17, 2006, 8:36 pm - IP Logged

                  Wow, thanks for sharing, pretty heavy stuff...what I think an illegal alien should get?

                  000

                  and maybe

                  0000

                  Stop

                  Leaving  Keep It In until It Wins!

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                    Posted: April 17, 2006, 8:40 pm - IP Logged

                    A person  who is here illegally should be allowed to cash in if he is allowed to play the lottery.

                    In other  words,don't allow them to play if they cannot  cash in.

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                      Posted: April 17, 2006, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

                      How would you stop them from playing?

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                        Posted: April 17, 2006, 10:42 pm - IP Logged

                        How would you stop them from playing?

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                        JUST vote........if you stillllllllllllKnow HOWWWWW....SIMPLY...VOTE!

                        Yes...or...NO...aunt no Maby

                        LOTS of LUCK.....but can you reason "yourself" out of a wet??????

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                          Posted: April 27, 2006, 6:02 pm - IP Logged

                          BETTER QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE.....

                          Are Mexicans illegal?

                          If they are, then ponder this...

                          Were the Indians here first in America?

                          Did we not kill them and take the land away from them?

                          Do Indians not come from Mexico?

                          If Mexicans wanted to trace their heritage, could they not find people who lived here in their family tree?

                          Maybe this is a sign for us Greedy Americans to start loving our land like the Indians did, and STOP rapping it for every nickel and dime.

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                            Posted: April 27, 2006, 6:24 pm - IP Logged

                            If Immigrants play lottery or not doesn't make any diference in your ODDS to win so what's the BIG Deal,

                            let those people play and take their chances , any way play lottery is a way of paying taxes voluntarily,

                            so whats the BIG DEAL let's stop this racism and discrimination or that will make you a criminal also because discrimination and racism is "ILEGAL".

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                              Posted: April 27, 2006, 6:40 pm - IP Logged

                              Let me make this as succinct as possible:

                              Hell No.

                              I Agree!