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Paranoid or Prudent?

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Posted: June 29, 2007, 5:06 pm - IP Logged

When initially came to LP I was excited. I dove in and started posting all my (sometimes) crazy theories until I learned from the real pros here and started being more measured and judicious in my contributions. I was still quick wqith my observations for winnings as is everyone else.

Then I read a disturbing post suggesting that Lottery offivcials post as members on forums like these and  basically try to stay ahead of any systems that appears to generate consistent wins.

 

To be frank it makes sense to me and so I became paranoid. I still post results of my systems but i just feel paranoid about postings some secrets especially when it involves a lot of work and I see consistent results. Other good observations which I think cannot be thwarted --those I will still be open about.

 

Am I being too paranoid or just being prudent? 

e.g. I used to have a very good system for winning pairs in the pick3--almost every other day I hit the pairs -front or back , and in some cases the pairs pointed me to straight hits. 

Since posting a lot about the power of pairs--the pair tree dried up. For more than 9 months a system that helped me to predict winning pairs every other day has not produced a single win. How can i not be paranoid?

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    Posted: June 29, 2007, 5:22 pm - IP Logged

    Fibonacci.....I have also thought the same thing.  Why wouldn't lottery officials monitor this website?  I have also seen systems and ideas work for quite awhile and then just dry up.  Coincidence, paranoia?  Who knows?  Prudence can be a good thing.

    Good Luck!

    Stavros

     

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      Posted: June 29, 2007, 5:48 pm - IP Logged

      Why wouldn't lottery officials monitor this website?   

      Maybe because like the rest of us he wants to chill out and have fun when he gets home and is off the clock? I don't know too many State employees who would care. 

      IMHO, if anybody did decide to monitor a lottery web site, it probably wouldn't be to checkout the systems on it, only to look for any illegal activity.  This is just a friendly discussion group where people share ideas.  If someone began to win an inordinate number of games, I'm sure a red flag would be raised at Lottery Headquarters even if he didn't own a computer.  This isn't a terrorist site where we're planning to win PB and use the money to buy weapons!

      I have also seen systems and ideas work for quite awhile and then just dry up. 

      Could that possibly be because the lottery is random?

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        Posted: June 29, 2007, 5:51 pm - IP Logged

        No matter how paranoid you think you might be, you are "not" paranoid enough. X-Files

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          Posted: June 29, 2007, 6:12 pm - IP Logged

          Call it "prudently paranoid!"

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          If you ran a lottery wouldn't you have at least one person assigned to montoring this board?  Makes a lot of sense.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: June 29, 2007, 6:13 pm - IP Logged

            I would like to ask a question about one thing you said:

            Then I read a disturbing post suggesting that Lottery offivcials post as members on forums like these and  basically try to stay ahead of any systems that appears to generate consistent wins.

            How exactly does a lottery official "stay ahead" of a system?  Are you saying that they go into the back room and make the games more random?  Like spinning the balls around the drum a few extra times? 

            The reason I don't subscribe to these conspiracy theories is they never really give any specifics about how a lottery official would "cheat" (which in itself would be pretty stupid of them, as they would go to jail once caught.)

            The only theories that make sense are when people talk about hacking into a computerized drawing system, which I think would be difficult, but not impossible.  But blanket statements in which people subscribe to theories of lottery officials monitoring the forums to learn about systems goes beyond my credibility level.

             

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              Posted: June 29, 2007, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

              "Paranoia deep destroyer" Once again the Kinks rule the day.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXv5UsSLIiA

               

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                Posted: June 29, 2007, 6:51 pm - IP Logged

                The officials have absolutely nothing to worry about, as of yet.

                After a pre-test or two, rotating tubes, it'll be as random as possible. They make sure thet do away with any possible examination of a particular tube's history.

                And BTW, Pre-tests do absolutely nothing in preventing future breakdowns. Infact, they accelerate the process. There is no such thing as perpetual motion, thus the more you use it, the sooner it will eventually break down. Obviously, they're playing dumb and trying to erase the history trends of tubes. No wonder why a good amount of the time, a certain number is way overdue in the p-3, like here in Florida, with the number 1 in the first position missing in action for about 45 days now. I can almost guarantee that the the number 1 or any overdue number, would show much sooner, than when done with a process like tubes being rotated and having pretests done.

                I could be wrong, but I read an article in the Daily News back in New York, about 12 years ago, with an official stating that the reason they rotate the replacement of differnt tubes ( I think most states use about ten tubes), is because to eliminate as much trend and patterns. Don't take my word for it, go to the archives.

                The only way I can think they can make it harder on a person who finds the holy grail, is to have an assasin scoping him or her out, just before they enter the next convenient store.

                And then they'll just use a patsy in a building top as the real killer. 

                "Dear Prudence" 

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b2tbIr1e8

                 

                Iam the walrus.....

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                Iam the walrus.....


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                    When initially came to LP I was excited. I dove in and started posting all my (sometimes) crazy theories until I learned from the real pros here and started being more measured and judicious in my contributions. I was still quick wqith my observations for winnings as is everyone else.

                    Then I read a disturbing post suggesting that Lottery offivcials post as members on forums like these and  basically try to stay ahead of any systems that appears to generate consistent wins.

                     

                    To be frank it makes sense to me and so I became paranoid. I still post results of my systems but i just feel paranoid about postings some secrets especially when it involves a lot of work and I see consistent results. Other good observations which I think cannot be thwarted --those I will still be open about.

                     

                    Am I being too paranoid or just being prudent? 

                    e.g. I used to have a very good system for winning pairs in the pick3--almost every other day I hit the pairs -front or back , and in some cases the pairs pointed me to straight hits. 

                    Since posting a lot about the power of pairs--the pair tree dried up. For more than 9 months a system that helped me to predict winning pairs every other day has not produced a single win. How can i not be paranoid?

                    "Trust No One!"

                     

                    -The X-Files

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                      Posted: June 29, 2007, 7:52 pm - IP Logged

                      @ Fibonacci: You are being absolutely prudent.

                      With many of the states either doing computer drawings or "pre/post tests", there is no reason to believe, with so much money involved, that if an outside system showed high corelation with the official results, that no changes whatsoever would be made to the number selection process.

                      Anyone who would suggest otherwise would also have you believe

                      • there is no such thing as insider trading in the stock market (just ask Martha :-)).
                      • you won't get banned from certain casinos if you do "too well" at the table games (not cheating).
                      • special interest groups (industries) don't try to influence the laws written by Congress in their own favor.

                      Just remember, for the "system" to work, the majority (of the investors, players, or citizens) MUST be made wrong; especially if there is a buck to be made.

                      In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
                      Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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                        I would like to ask a question about one thing you said:

                        Then I read a disturbing post suggesting that Lottery offivcials post as members on forums like these and  basically try to stay ahead of any systems that appears to generate consistent wins.

                        How exactly does a lottery official "stay ahead" of a system?  Are you saying that they go into the back room and make the games more random?  Like spinning the balls around the drum a few extra times? 

                        The reason I don't subscribe to these conspiracy theories is they never really give any specifics about how a lottery official would "cheat" (which in itself would be pretty stupid of them, as they would go to jail once caught.)

                        The only theories that make sense are when people talk about hacking into a computerized drawing system, which I think would be difficult, but not impossible.  But blanket statements in which people subscribe to theories of lottery officials monitoring the forums to learn about systems goes beyond my credibility level.

                        As someone who tends to rely on science, logic and evidence before forming even tentative opinions/conclusions, I do agree. I think it does make sense however that the Lottery officials do OpRes

                        -opposition research...although I believe the non-computerized games are fairly random they would want to stay ahead of clearly discernible patterns or at least be aware of them. I would do the same if I was running that kind of official --er scheme,  too. 

                        Conspiracy-no. Studying the opposition-yes!

                        $$$

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                          Todd

                          Back a page you said:

                           

                          How exactly does a lottery official "stay ahead" of a system?  Are you saying that they go into the back room and make the games more random?  Like spinning the balls around the drum a few extra times? 

                           

                          The reason I don't subscribe to these conspiracy theories is they never really give any specifics about how a lottery official would "cheat" (which in itself would be pretty stupid of them, as they would go to jail once caught.)

                           

                          I'm not thinking anything at all along those lines. I'm thinking it's more like this - let's say someone here on LP said something like:

                          "Look, I give you this. I'm going to show you how to play Pick 3 for 50 cents and $1 box, straight, and striaght box and you'll never play more than $10 a day and will collect at least $40 on most days. It took me years to develop thos, yada yada yada........"

                          If indeed it worked (big if, sure, but...) instead of "cheating" that particular game would probably not be available any longer. 

                          There's no doubt in my mind that they proabably have people in math deaprtments in some universities trying to do exactly that, by the way - "Here's the game- see if you can beat it".

                          When you think about it, it's pretty amazing that these games were created before computers and sopftware programs, etc...and nothuing yet has "cracked the code".

                          Heck, look at dice, roulette, cards, and sports betting.  

                          I'm also pretty sure that lottery people are also here from a marketing standpoint, too.  

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Wouldn't it be funny if Lottery Officials found a way to beat your hypothetic-make-believe-big-win-system by some mysterious way.  And the drawing results actually swing in favor of the regular lottery players, not using that system, resulting in the most winners for a single drawing ever!

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                              The protocols and methods by which the lottery operates is set up like an insurance policy they make money no matter what. If a number is bet to the amount of their threshold they cut the number off.

                              Thousands of people win every day. Even more lose. The state is in a win, win situation. No system can repeatedly win money on a daily basis.

                              We as players have no way of knowing which machines or ball sets they are using for any particular drawing.

                              The lottery will never stop drawing pick 3 or 4 games it's one of their cash cows.

                              You might be paranoid if you think you can out think the oldest money making game in the book, pick 3 and 4 games are designed to make the habitual bettor a loser.

                              Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                                             I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.