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Bravo JadeLottery,
I've been watching your progress on this in the background for quite some time. I am a player and do monitor the badger5 on a daily basis. While I will admit I'm not a wheel player and most of your analysis is way beyond my comprehension I have been very intrigued by it.
I to have noticed many things that seem out of the norm from your traditional ball lotteries. It was very obvious to me that there have been "adjustments" made during the life of badger5 especially at the beginning. Whether it is human intervention or software "adjusting" itself I don't know... but it is there.
For instance one of the many noticeable oddities. There have been 19 pentads occuring twice in the history of draws. Of those 7 are within months of each other and a few within weeks. Hardly what you would expect to see within a truly random lottery.
11/07/05 Mon,2,8,11,12,31
08/18/05 Thu,2,8,11,12,3110/08/04 Fri,2,11,19,26,30
09/16/04 Thu,2,11,19,26,3003/20/07 Tue,5,6,8,15,19
02/09/07 Fri,5,6,8,15,1909/29/07 Sat,5,13,17,19,29
08/16/07 Thu,5,13,17,19,2907/07/05 Thu,6,16,19,21,28
06/16/05 Thu,6,16,19,21,28for those that always play the same numbers... nice play
Anyhow I just wanted to chime in and let you know...nice work...and I'm glad to see someone else thinks that something smells like dead carp in lake mendota!
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OfflineQuote: Originally posted by Sledgemoto on Mar 29, 2008
Bravo JadeLottery,
I've been watching your progress on this in the background for quite some time. I am a player and do monitor the badger5 on a daily basis. While I will admit I'm not a wheel player and most of your analysis is way beyond my comprehension I have been very intrigued by it.
I to have noticed many things that seem out of the norm from your traditional ball lotteries. It was very obvious to me that there have been "adjustments" made during the life of badger5 especially at the beginning. Whether it is human intervention or software "adjusting" itself I don't know... but it is there.
For instance one of the many noticeable oddities. There have been 19 pentads occuring twice in the history of draws. Of those 7 are within months of each other and a few within weeks. Hardly what you would expect to see within a truly random lottery.
11/07/05 Mon,2,8,11,12,31
08/18/05 Thu,2,8,11,12,3110/08/04 Fri,2,11,19,26,30
09/16/04 Thu,2,11,19,26,3003/20/07 Tue,5,6,8,15,19
02/09/07 Fri,5,6,8,15,1909/29/07 Sat,5,13,17,19,29
08/16/07 Thu,5,13,17,19,2907/07/05 Thu,6,16,19,21,28
06/16/05 Thu,6,16,19,21,28for those that always play the same numbers... nice play
Anyhow I just wanted to chime in and let you know...nice work...and I'm glad to see someone else thinks that something smells like dead carp in lake mendota!
Sledgemoto,
Thanks, I try to make this as easy to understand as possible. However, some of the number crunching can get a bit wielding at times. I find that graphs help a lot when trying to talk about an abstract number analysis and animated graphs help out even more. It's as close to laymen as I can get without loosing much of the fundamental concept of the analysis, method or idea.
Yeah, there are many unreasonable occurrences during the entire span of this computer generated number scheme and even more in the recent past 175 draws. I've simulated this lottery myself on my own computer and don't see 1/10th the number of anomalies I'm seeing in Badger 5. I've run 10's of thousands of draws during this whole thing and none of my results seem to have a reasonable relationship to the kinds of number selections the Badger 5 is kicking out.
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OfflineOk, now that most of you have viewed the graph animation, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfYxlTZYE8c, of just one of the anomalies that have plagued the Badger 5 drawings since 2007-10-05. I'd like to address some other issues that have arisen during this topic. There is a misperception being injected into the mindset of those who are reading this. The misperception is that my objective in this post and others is to bring down my state lottery. That is not correct; at no point during this topic or any other have I made it a point to 'Bring down the Lottery'. Actually, quite the opposite, I'd like to see my state lottery continue on for many years making winning smiles and millionaires of many Wisconsinites for a long time. It's the system that is currently being use to make those happy faces, that is in doubt.
I remember a time when playing the lottery was fun and exciting. I'd get my numbers and the night of the drawing I'd sit and watch the balls come down the chute... oh! there's a 7... and sometimes I'd win, sometimes I'd loose, but IT WAS EXCITING EITHER WAY. Now, we have nothing, not even a televised drawing of the Powerball here in Wisconsin. What's to be excited about? Nothing! To add even more discuss to the non-excitement, the draws aren't even real.
But you know what, I tried to make it exciting by giving it a try. Ok, if the lottery is saying is as good as the real thing, maybe I could be wrong and need to regenerate the excitement in a different way. After playing for a while I began seeing a dramatic difference in what I was winning, or the lack thereof. I didn't expect to win the jackpot, but this was ridiculous; even getting the lower tier prizes were like trying to shoot for the jackpot. It was unrealistic and unreasonable to see these kind of things happening, given this was supposed to be a truly random drawing. I had to stop playing and just monitor the drawings.
Later I began trying some things, but this time instead of playing them, I'd post them here at the LP in either the topics or predictions board. I noticed that even then my theories, systems and picks began running cold. This was very strange, I mean, How could the lottery be by coincidence picking numbers that acted contrary to what I was picking? Then it stuck me, It's not coincidence. Typically, a coincidence will come and go, but this was permanent, not reasonable and not logical given the fact that the numbers are suppose to be random. This is what ultimately lead to this topic, the unreasonable selection of numbers.
Now, it would be easy to say that this is about trying to predict exactly what combination will occur, but it's not. The approach to this is to analyze a set of numbers over a span of draws to see what is happening as compared to what is reasonable for that same draw span. No single draw or single number is in question. It is the culmination of all the draws and numbers during a span of draws that is used to give a snap shot of what is going on in the lottery's selection process. A single draw or single number may have some minor influence, but it cannot by their single instum state affect the whole span of draws drastically. The analytical sum of the draws themselves are greater than the individual analysis of the draws themselves.
To put it simply, it is not the lottery itself that is in question, it is the number selecting system that supports it that is.
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OfflineSite updates are interfering with the auto posting of the Badger 5 wheel on a tight random schedule of 19:54 to 19:58 daily. I've reprogrammed the auto posting to an expanded random selection time frame of 00:00 to 19:58 daily to increase the probability of auto posting the Badger 5 wheel when LP site updates are being done.
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OfflineWe're approaching draw 200 for Exp. 1 and Exp. 2. We'll add more data and fill in some additional information sometime after.
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Jadelottery's number crunching is well over my head. Sladgemooto's post makes it very obvious that Wisconsin had & maybe has a big problem.
But to prove the game is fixed I think you should crunch the numbers on other games as well. The larger the pool of numbers the greater the variation from what we might consider random will be in a relative short time span.As an example, chart. the first digit in either a pick three or four game.The odds tell you any given number should come up an average of 1 out of ten & they do over long periods of time. However, many times a number will go over fourty drawings without hitting & in the Ohio lottery I have seen a number go over ninety. I only chart Ohio but I'm sure this holds true in all random state drawings.
My theory is that in any given game a number has the capacity not to be selected tens times the odds of it being selected. As an example, the odds of a pick three are one in 1000 so any given number has the capacity not to be selected in 10,000 drawings. I haven't calculated the number of drawing it has been, but in Ohio the number 023 has not hit since January 7,1984. That's over twenty years !!
My point is that in a truly random drawing many what we think of as anomalies will occur in short time periods. A drawing of ninety numbers is not sufficient proof for the pick three. There should be thousands of anomalies in a pick 5 game over a short duration of 90 drawings. If there weren't it wouldn't be random.
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OfflineQuote: Originally posted by dewaa on Apr 29, 2008
Jadelottery's number crunching is well over my head. Sladgemooto's post makes it very obvious that Wisconsin had & maybe has a big problem.
But to prove the game is fixed I think you should crunch the numbers on other games as well. The larger the pool of numbers the greater the variation from what we might consider random will be in a relative short time span.As an example, chart. the first digit in either a pick three or four game.The odds tell you any given number should come up an average of 1 out of ten & they do over long periods of time. However, many times a number will go over fourty drawings without hitting & in the Ohio lottery I have seen a number go over ninety. I only chart Ohio but I'm sure this holds true in all random state drawings.
My theory is that in any given game a number has the capacity not to be selected tens times the odds of it being selected. As an example, the odds of a pick three are one in 1000 so any given number has the capacity not to be selected in 10,000 drawings. I haven't calculated the number of drawing it has been, but in Ohio the number 023 has not hit since January 7,1984. That's over twenty years !!
My point is that in a truly random drawing many what we think of as anomalies will occur in short time periods. A drawing of ninety numbers is not sufficient proof for the pick three. There should be thousands of anomalies in a pick 5 game over a short duration of 90 drawings. If there weren't it wouldn't be random.
I'm working on making fraud detection a part of JADE LSG 2.0. That way anyone can number crunch themselves. This is just a test run of a few detection methods.
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OfflineQuote: Originally posted by dewaa on Apr 29, 2008
Jadelottery's number crunching is well over my head. Sladgemooto's post makes it very obvious that Wisconsin had & maybe has a big problem.
But to prove the game is fixed I think you should crunch the numbers on other games as well. The larger the pool of numbers the greater the variation from what we might consider random will be in a relative short time span.As an example, chart. the first digit in either a pick three or four game.The odds tell you any given number should come up an average of 1 out of ten & they do over long periods of time. However, many times a number will go over fourty drawings without hitting & in the Ohio lottery I have seen a number go over ninety. I only chart Ohio but I'm sure this holds true in all random state drawings.
My theory is that in any given game a number has the capacity not to be selected tens times the odds of it being selected. As an example, the odds of a pick three are one in 1000 so any given number has the capacity not to be selected in 10,000 drawings. I haven't calculated the number of drawing it has been, but in Ohio the number 023 has not hit since January 7,1984. That's over twenty years !!
My point is that in a truly random drawing many what we think of as anomalies will occur in short time periods. A drawing of ninety numbers is not sufficient proof for the pick three. There should be thousands of anomalies in a pick 5 game over a short duration of 90 drawings. If there weren't it wouldn't be random.
In reference to the Ohio 023, is that midday, evening or both?
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OfflineBelow is the total run down of what we have so far.
Data Stream Chrono Badger 5 Draw Wheel, Matched Draw #'s, Line Match Distribution Scramble Order (Implemented 2008-03-04) Index 0 Index 1 Posted Year Month Day A B C D E W M 0 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 1 1 Yes 2007 12 4 2 4 11 15 22 0 3 12 23 11 4 2 2 Yes 2007 12 5 1 2 9 20 29 0 1 31 19 3 3 Yes 2007 12 6 4 12 14 16 20 0 4 6 18 20 4 2 4 4 Yes 2007 12 7 1 12 13 15 18 0 4 3 22 20 5 5 5 Yes 2007 12 8 1 8 10 28 30 0 1 31 19 6 6 Yes 2007 12 9 3 10 13 26 31 0 2 21 20 9 7 7 Yes 2007 12 10 2 5 6 22 25 0 1 31 19 8 8 Yes 2007 12 11 5 11 13 16 25 9 3 10 22 18 9 9 Yes 2007 12 12 1 8 12 16 20 0 3 10 25 12 3 10 10 Yes 2007 12 13 9 11 17 24 26 4 2 17 28 5 11 11 Yes 2007 12 14 5 18 21 30 31 3 2 17 26 7 12 12 Yes 2007 12 15 7 9 12 16 28 8 2 18 26 6 13 13 Yes 2007 12 16 7 8 11 13 19 2 3 10 26 10 4 14 14 Yes 2007 12 17 2 4 7 21 28 3 1 30 20 15 15 Yes 2007 12 18 18 20 24 26 30 8 2 19 23 8 16 16 Yes 2007 12 19 1 5 16 23 30 7 1 31 19 17 17 Yes 2007 12 20 4 9 20 21 24 7 2 18 26 6 18 18 Yes 2007 12 21 8 12 15 18 26 0 3 10 23 16 1 19 19 Yes 2007 12 22 1 2 5 19 23 4 1 31 19 20 20 Yes 2007 12 23 3 13 23 24 28 8 1 31 19 21 21 Yes 2007 12 24 5 7 12 20 27 7 2 18 26 6 22 22 Yes 2007 12 25 1 16 18 19 31 4 3 9 26 14 1 23 23 Yes 2007 12 26 12 13 23 27 31 1 2 19 24 7 24 24 Yes 2007 12 27 16 18 21 25 30 9 3 9 27 12 2 25 25 Yes 2007 12 28 1 4 5 23 27 6 0 50 26 26 Yes 2007 12 29 7 9 19 24 27 7 1 31 19 27 27 Yes 2007 12 30 7 9 10 23 26 1 1 30 20 28 28 Yes 2007 12 31 8 9 19 22 30 5 2 18 26 6 29 29 Yes 2008 1 1 6 8 13 26 28 0 1 31 19 30 30 Yes 2008 1 2 4 20 26 30 31 9 1 31 19 31 31 Yes 2008 1 3 1 9 10 11 23 5 2 18 26 6 32 32 Yes 2008 1 4 5 6 21 26 29 0 1 31 19 33 - 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WOW! I checked out your math and I think that you have a tough task. However, just because a task is tough doesn't mean it isn't worth trying to pursue. I have seem lottery wheels, software, etc and I can tell you one thing, THOSE THINGS ARE BUNK! Not because I haven't HIT yet, but because they suppose there is some way to bring order to a totally random event.
I can not find any information that says (save 1) that any of these system creators are actually, provable winners themselves. It is a crazy thing to sit in the seat of a jet aircraft and take lessons form someone who has no experience piloting the jet themselves! I have, like you put much study into the lottery, and I have found out the following:
* Powerball, going back 10 years, have NO statistical patterns for increasing your chance of winning and is truly more random than any state lottery. As you know, state lotteries typically have fewer #'s to pick from by 13. I don't say this because everyone else says it, I say this because I have done the math myself.
* There is mathmatical formulas that can increase your state lottery odds that I use that have yielded me, over the last 3 months an increase in wins. I have continually matched 3 of 6 and 4 of six.
* Picking the right #'s in the state lottery requires one to not pay as much attention to those #'s that were picked previously as much as focusing on the group of #'s I call 'Sub-Sets' which shows you how the value of those numbers you pick as a group and how they fit in to the overall value of your picks. For instance, alot of people pick #'s that come up the most and group them into 1 # set assuming those will come up, eventually. These numbers, at least here in Colorado have a sub-set value of between 45 and 60. Anything with a sub-set value of over 28 are likely NOT to come up.
* There was a guy who won Powerball in 2005 named Brad Duke and he said that he picked the right numbers by going back some months, doing some math, and playing those numbers. NOT! I reviewed his #'s, his method, his thought process and it just doesn't ad up! Brad just got blessed and should admit it. The 'Sub-Set' patterns in Powerball are truly a tough nut to crack but I am working on it.
* However, I do not believe that playing numbers sets like 1,2,3,4,5,6 are just as likely to come up as any other #'s. The math and picks over the last 10 years just don't bare that theory out.
* I would encourage all of you to NOT pick the same set of numbers and keep playing them HOPING they just come up. According to my math- you could do that for the next 6,183.5 years and still not Hit. Play wild number games with yourself. I yielded a 4 of 6 winner in state lottery by developing a 'Crossword' play.
In closing- for now anyway, although I am focused only on State Lottery here in Colorado- don't believe the HYPE in your state! Although I do not belive that there is any way of guaranteeing a win and despite what officials may say. You can increase your odds. $5.00 worth of well picked #'s can put you closer than $100.00 of poorly chosen #'s. I am proof of that.
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I am of the opposite opinion as this poster. I say- Jade- keep on keepin' on! As I said in another post, just because a goal seems tough, doesn't mean it isn't worth pursuing. We all know that lottery and casino officials have the best mathmaticians in the world working for them. IF JADE can prove something to them that they haven't previously thought of, I guarantee they will rethink the process.
Jade- keep dreamin' man and don't listen to what the naysayers on here say. I am sure some, especially the doubter will post a reply to this but there was a time when these same naysayers said the Earth was flat, there was a time when these same naysayers said anyone that believed someone who thought they could fly were nut cases. Einstein's theory of Space\time being the same thing and not Space & Time was met with much ridicule from the scientific community and now is accepted as fact. Not to mention going to the moon was thought to be science fiction up until 1961!
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Offlineteuffelhund37,
thank you for the input. this is just a small piece of a much larger project i've been working on in my spare time. i'm always thinking about something math, physics or programming related, even if it has nothing to do with the lottery. however, in piecing things together i noticed a lot of similarities in various studies that appeared to fit together. they worked amazingly well in describing other points of view in seemingly unrelated topics.
as i said, this is just a small piece of a much larger project. the best is yet to come. just keep an eye out for it.
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OfflineUpdate: I'm chugging along here with this Badger 5 data, however, I'm working several other projects at the same time and in the same subject matter. There's a possible topic morph in the works as it relates to this one.
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To be brief:
Jade is right.... it can't be random.
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Quote: Originally posted by irmediator on May 19, 2008
To be brief:
Jade is right.... it can't be random.
OK, lets say he is right and somehow proved that is not random but manipulated....So next what do you do...I see only three options left for a player after these findings:
1) Not play this game anymore
2) Not play all the Wisconsion RNG games anymore
3) Write to lottery or newspapers and tell them to switch to balls (<<< this will in all likeliness be largely ignored as well as your claims that they are manipulating the games)
In my opinion if you have reason to beleive that something is manipulated and the odds of fixing it are not good then you are left with options 1 or 2 and not play lotto anymore...