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Here Is The Proof Your Lottery, Mega Millions and Powerball is Cheating You

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: September 28, 2008, 8:24 pm - IP Logged

"I kinda assumed that the lottery did the pre-draws and would just enter the numbers into the system and manipulate the game so that they show a drawing with no winners until they were ready to release a jackpot."

Since it's usually a single ticket that wins, if that was true then they would be picking which person would win.  If you really believed that and you didn't know of any reason for them to pick you then you would have no reason to ever play.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: September 28, 2008, 8:31 pm - IP Logged

    Rjoh, that's the same thing I was thinking. You took the words right out of my mouth. In all honesty to him, he really should not be playing if he feels that way.

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      Well..I have to say the facts speak for themselves..Carbob..you are right..after that long of no pretesting the ONLY EXPLANATION is to increase their profits by manipulating the draws from now on..

       

      It really boils down to what you want out of your Lottery..if you want a TRUELY RANDOM  drawing where you have a chance to win then you should do something about it..If you do not care one way or the other then dont worry about it..and as time goes by and you see that you have given them more money than you have ever won..then dont say anything about them cheating you out of your money..especially when you had a chance to do something about it..I have provided any of you with the perfect examples of what is going on..

      NOT TO MENTION ONE REALLY BIG PIECE OF THE LOTTERY PUZZLE...NATURAL RANDOM FIELDS WILL RUN FASTER THAN TAMPERED AND IF YOU SUPERIMPOSE THOSE PRETEST DRAWS on top of the paying draws you will see just how fast NATURAL FIXED RANDOM FIELDS DO RUN..because just in case it didnt sink in...those test draws WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT COMBINATION OUT IF IT HAD COUNTED..

       

      Heh..if you want to throw away your money I could use some extra...

       

      I am Lotterybraker and I approved this message..hahaha..I always wanted to say that..hahaha

      "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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        ..and as time goes by and you see that you have given them more money than you have ever won..then dont say anything about them cheating you out of your money..

        How do you figure lotteries are able to pay a $1M prize on a $1 ticket without a lot of players buying $1 tickets and winning nothing?  With lotteries taking 50% of sales for themselves, over all most players will lucky if they win back 25% of what they spend on tickets.   Most serious players can expect to win back 5-10% of what they spend of lotteries which is usually enough to keep the dream of winning a jackpot alive.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: September 28, 2008, 9:08 pm - IP Logged

          Well..I have to say the facts speak for themselves..Carbob..you are right..after that long of no pretesting the ONLY EXPLANATION is to increase their profits by manipulating the draws from now on..

           

          It really boils down to what you want out of your Lottery..if you want a TRUELY RANDOM  drawing where you have a chance to win then you should do something about it..If you do not care one way or the other then dont worry about it..and as time goes by and you see that you have given them more money than you have ever won..then dont say anything about them cheating you out of your money..especially when you had a chance to do something about it..I have provided any of you with the perfect examples of what is going on..

          NOT TO MENTION ONE REALLY BIG PIECE OF THE LOTTERY PUZZLE...NATURAL RANDOM FIELDS WILL RUN FASTER THAN TAMPERED AND IF YOU SUPERIMPOSE THOSE PRETEST DRAWS on top of the paying draws you will see just how fast NATURAL FIXED RANDOM FIELDS DO RUN..because just in case it didnt sink in...those test draws WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT COMBINATION OUT IF IT HAD COUNTED..

           

          Heh..if you want to throw away your money I could use some extra...

           

          I am Lotterybraker and I approved this message..hahaha..I always wanted to say that..hahaha

          Your right on lotterybraker so many

          lost soul OOOO well  I  don't mine

          taking their money my list performs always

          pretest or no pretest  (MIND) Wink

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            I applaud you and all your effort lotterybraker a job well done. MI is one of the most cheating states that's out their and I know they do the pretest so they don't have to pay out as much. If the machines are so random and built on a matrix just were is our con farn darn triple or quad. MI is just some little cheating stinkers.

            Remember we are the decisions that we make, please take the time to educate.Stooges

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              When you play bingo the caller spins the balls for every draw he/she draws the balls and people play the game. Say 100 people have cards. Out of all those people only some cards will eventually win because the games goes until somebody wins. The same person doesn't win every game because it isn't set up that way. Nor is there some special card that will win more often than any other card it's a random event.
               
              When you play lottery numbers you are betting that your numbers will be drawn and based on the odds and number of tickets played you have the same odds as every other player...... pick 3 ---- 1 in a 1000 chances.
              If you had the pre draws 1 hour ahead of time do you actually think it would give you and edge on winning the next draw. Don't count on it.
               
              If they didn't do pre draw do you think you would have an edge on the game based on the last results. How could you possibly say yes when you have no idea which ball set was used last or which ball set is going to be used next.
               
              Lottery is a game of chance and it's in the houses favor not yours.
               
               
               

              Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

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                I don't think the lotto will shut down if they are find guilty of pre-testing, manipulating the random factor to have a slight increase in their ticket sales. The only thing I see is they will post up their pre-tests as actual proofs of pre-testings. However, I do think lotterybraker should share the video to CNN and upload it on YouTube. hehe, for educational purpose and entertainment.

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                  Posted: September 28, 2008, 11:04 pm - IP Logged

                  Thanks for the interesting post LotteryBraker.

                  *If the pre-tests are regularly periodic, and not conducted randomly, it may make a world of difference...

                  Our 2nd class in Pick 3 Lore was Space-Timing The Next Draw and we found the Lottery LoreKeeper, Tatiana, staring through her telescope, while we covertly giggled about what does Planet X have to do with what my next draw is? The sleuthy sage quietly intoned, "It is known that when the light(information) from such a distant object reaches our eyes, we are seeing the object as it was in the past & not as it appears Now in the present. Isn't this true for all things, especially numbers, that were drawn years, months, weeks or even just a day in the past? To accurately find the next draw, use the Law of Now(Tatiana's Pillar)". We never giggled again.

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                    excel worksheets only have 65,536 lines going down the page Maryland has already had 11,000 pic 3 evening draws give or take a few draws. if they added all the pre draws to the actual results. they would have to have another work sheet going already as they would have ran out of room. pre tests are done for security reasons and wether we like it or not their going to keep doing them.

                    Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

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                      When you play bingo the caller spins the balls for every draw he/she draws the balls and people play the game. Say 100 people have cards. Out of all those people only some cards will eventually win because the games goes until somebody wins. The same person doesn't win every game because it isn't set up that way. Nor is there some special card that will win more often than any other card it's a random event.
                       
                      When you play lottery numbers you are betting that your numbers will be drawn and based on the odds and number of tickets played you have the same odds as every other player...... pick 3 ---- 1 in a 1000 chances.
                      If you had the pre draws 1 hour ahead of time do you actually think it would give you and edge on winning the next draw. Don't count on it.
                       
                      If they didn't do pre draw do you think you would have an edge on the game based on the last results. How could you possibly say yes when you have no idea which ball set was used last or which ball set is going to be used next.
                       
                      Lottery is a game of chance and it's in the houses favor not yours.
                       
                       
                       

                      four4me look at this maN

                      Ball Set A 0-9

                      Ball Set B 0-9

                      Ball Set C 0-9

                      Ball Set D 0-9

                      Ball Set E 0-9

                      Ball Set f 0-9

                      Ball Set G 0-9

                      Ball Set H 0-9

                      Ball Set I 0-9

                      Ball Set J 0-9

                       

                      Now do you think damn Random Repeatring Fields using the same numbers gives a crap about which 0-9 they are USING..

                       

                      ITS THE SAME NUMBERS...ITS THE SAME FIELD RUNNING..it makes No difference changing out the balls whatsoever..

                       

                      Do this test..its so simple go buy 20 ping pong balls..write down 0-9 on the first 10..then 0-9 on the sexond 10...put 10 in a bag..mix them up..draw until you get 9 digits to show leave the 10th one missing...now take the other 10 put them in the bag and see how long it takes to find that mising digit you left out from the first 0-9

                       

                       

                      IT DOES NOT MATTER ONE SINGLE BIT CHANGING OUT THE BALLS..none whatsoever..whatever is missing in a random field is still missing and still has to show no matter if they change the balls out everyday

                      "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                        When you play bingo the caller spins the balls for every draw he/she draws the balls and people play the game. Say 100 people have cards. Out of all those people only some cards will eventually win because the games goes until somebody wins. The same person doesn't win every game because it isn't set up that way. Nor is there some special card that will win more often than any other card it's a random event.
                         
                        When you play lottery numbers you are betting that your numbers will be drawn and based on the odds and number of tickets played you have the same odds as every other player...... pick 3 ---- 1 in a 1000 chances.
                        If you had the pre draws 1 hour ahead of time do you actually think it would give you and edge on winning the next draw. Don't count on it.
                         
                        If they didn't do pre draw do you think you would have an edge on the game based on the last results. How could you possibly say yes when you have no idea which ball set was used last or which ball set is going to be used next.
                         
                        Lottery is a game of chance and it's in the houses favor not yours.
                         
                         
                         

                        You can't compare Bingo, with the Casino, nor Lottery with a game of horseshoes how do you think in the lottery the same exact number can comeout to the date. Don't get me wrong I'm no Lottery expert but something is going to have to give thanks again lotterybraker. The key word is pre and they premeditate the lowest payout number and no one can tell me anything different. Why don't they just have bag up set of balls if the 1st machine was to break down. It's surely not whole heartedly a game of chance it is more of a gamble and the odds are truly going to be against you if you don't do your research. I'm going to say it again thanks Lotterybraker keep up the good work.

                        The expected value, positive or negative, is a mathematical calculation using these three variables. The amount wagered determines the scale of an individual wager (bet); the odds and the amount wagered determine the payout if successful; the predictability determines the frequency of success. Finally the frequency of success times the payout minus the amount wagered equals the "expected value" The skill of a gambler lies in understanding and maneuvering the three variables so that the "actual value" is positive over a series of wagers.

                        Remember we are the decisions that we make, please take the time to educate.Stooges

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                          WHEN YOU MAKE A BET..YOU ARE BETTING ON THE NEXT OUTCOME.. 

                          The problem is that's your rule not theirs and you have to play by their rules.  Their rule is "when you buy a ticket, you're betting on the results of their next official drawing, not any pre-test drawings".   

                          From the Ohio Lottery Pick-3 rules and regulations:

                          3770:1-7-20 Ohiolottery commission game number twenty.

                          (G) Manner of prize drawings.

                          (1) Prize drawings shall be open to the public and may be held at such places in the state that the director shall determine. The director shall inform the public as to the time and place of each prize drawing.

                          (2) All holders of valid tickets for a given drawing are eligible to win in that drawing. If the holder of a winning ticket does not have the ticket validated within the requisite validation period from the date of the drawing, in accordance with the procedures set fourth in these rules, such unclaimed prize shall be paid into the unclaimed prizes fund pursuant to Section 3770.07 of the Revised Code.

                          (3) All drawings in game number twenty will be conducted in accordance with random procedures approved by the director. For every drawing in game number twenty, the director will approve procedures and mechanisms for the selection of winners and the awarding of prizes in order that random selection will be achieved.

                          The director decides the time and place the drawings will be held and the tickets sold for that drawing are the only tickets eligible to win. The director also chooses the methods and mechanisms that produce a random drawing. I think we all can agree the definition of any random pick-3 drawing means each and every one of the possible 1000 combinations has an equal chance of being drawn and this debate is centered around the testing procedures that some people believe affect the outcome of drawing.

                          If the director believes it's necessary to have test drawings a half hour before the actual drawing, the rules certainly give them that discretion. For a judge to rule the lottery is cheating because they don't show the results of these test drawings before the drawing, the plaintiff would have to first prove the test drawings have an actual affect on the random official drawing. Can anyone really prove the lottery is cheating by following the rules?

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                            You can't compare Bingo, with the Casino, nor Lottery with a game of horseshoes how do you think in the lottery the same exact number can comeout to the date. Don't get me wrong I'm no Lottery expert but something is going to have to give thanks again lotterybraker. The key word is pre and they premeditate the lowest payout number and no one can tell me anything different. Why don't they just have bag up set of balls if the 1st machine was to break down. It's surely not whole heartedly a game of chance it is more of a gamble and the odds are truly going to be against you if you don't do your research. I'm going to say it again thanks Lotterybraker keep up the good work.

                            The expected value, positive or negative, is a mathematical calculation using these three variables. The amount wagered determines the scale of an individual wager (bet); the odds and the amount wagered determine the payout if successful; the predictability determines the frequency of success. Finally the frequency of success times the payout minus the amount wagered equals the "expected value" The skill of a gambler lies in understanding and maneuvering the three variables so that the "actual value" is positive over a series of wagers.

                            There are people in this thread that have compared tossing a coin and having it land on heads thirty times in a row. I'd like to see that. It would generate a good laugh. My statement is not ridiculous as that.... and pre draws won't get you any closer to a win.

                            The lottery doesn't determine before hand what the number will be. The don't fudge the game for the lowest pay out possible if they did then 111 or 222 or any triples or quads would never be drawn. Unless you want to start a conspiracy thread about how they only let certain numbers win. Lottery officials could care less what numbers are drawn they cant play and have no stake in the game.

                            The lottery generates most of it's cash on scratch offs not pick 3-4-5-6 games.

                            While pick 3 and 4 games are popular to the lottery officials it's just a game, people gamble for many reasons and beside the die hard lottery players the casual player could care less about pre draws. Some die hards think it matters. But as long as the lottery has been around they have done whatever they deemed necessary to make the games happen.   

                            Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

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                              Thank you lotterybraker for taking the time to post this information. Some of us do appreciate it. Ignore the people who are trying to shut you down and say that you are wasting your time.

                              I Agree!