SC Low Country United States Member #75803 June 12, 2009 925 Posts Offline

Posted: June 24, 2009, 11:53 pm - IP Logged

Definately, not a waste of time......

"Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in the shade?"

Benjamin Franklin

"All men of power ought to be mistrusted." - James Madison

"While we are contending for our own liberty, we should be very cautious not to violate the rights of conscience in others, ever considering that God alone is the judge of the hearts of men, and to him only, in this case, they are answerable." - George Washington...SwampFox Courage is looking danger in the face & saddling up anyway...John Wayne

Use Mirror #'s Use prs. with your Key* numbers the most Vivid thing in your dream go up or down on #'s. Flip 6=9 `9=6 Bullseyes 0 or 1 for Pick 4 and the P. 5 Play the other part of doubles. Do the Whole nine yards for a P. 4* P. 5* or 0 thur 9 for P. 4 P. 5 from my dreams or hunches good Luck.. Write your Dreams down Play for 3 days. Good Luck All.

NY United States Member #23835 October 16, 2005 3475 Posts Offline

Posted: June 25, 2009, 1:40 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by xandercage on June 24, 2009

wrong! a simple, yet proven piece, of statistical data, from the beggining of lottery; reveals that all numbers should add up to a minimum or max range.

Absolutely. As a simple example, nobody has ever won pick 3 by playing digits that added up to 1, 2 or more than 27. As long as you stick to the totals that are actualy possible. your ticket has exactly the same chance as any other ticket.

United States Member #60002 April 2, 2008 1 Posts Offline

Posted: June 25, 2009, 4:08 am - IP Logged

O.k., first just let me say that I don't mean to offend anyone, even though I know I will. Everyone has their own opinion and their right to it. In Wisconsin Pick 3, 000, 001, and 002 (totals 0, 1, and 2) have won. Whether or not anyone actually had those tickets, I don't know and don't care since I didn't. I do find all the number systems and mathematics on this site quite interesting and have spent some time trying to "crack the lottery code." Yes you can see patterns in past draws, times of the year, days of the week, etc., etc.... Given any set of finite numbers you're going to be able to come to some conclusion about patterns, sums, correlations, and so on. One thing I don't see in any of these systems seems odd to me. I once read somewhere that one state (not sure which, sorry) "tests" their system twice before each draw. One can only figure this means they hit enter on their computerized RNG and a number comes up. I say "number" because, in it's essence, Pick 3, for example, is just a number between 0 and 999. So in every system on Lottery Post, there would be an error since the past 2,3,4, or 100 draws were not actually the last 2,3,4, or 100 draws. I also read another state, and I will try to find my source for this one as well, uses TWO computers for their draws. Now if you equate that in, even though there may seem to be some sort of pattern, there really is none because none of the draws were actually sequential. Example: Monday, computer A, test, test, draw, Tuesday, computer B, test, test, draw, Wednesday, computer B test, test, draw. And who really knows what the Lotto board does from day to day. And as soon as they make the daily draw, the computer pops up the exact number of straights and boxes hit, where the ticket was sold, and what time it was sold. If your state allows you to use a debit card, they probably know who bought it as well. The lottery is a business designed to make money, FOR THE STATE. They can tempt you with big payouts and seemingly terrific odds, and show pictures of winners with big checks, but their goal is not to make you rich. It's to make money. If they see too many winning tickets hit 911, 777, or any other specific number, who's to say they don't just call it a "test"? They even limit the number of tickets sold on specific numbers to help prevent the big payouts on Pick 3 and Pick 4. And then they have the nerve to tell us that televised drawings cost the state too much money. How much would it cost them to put a Dell on the desk of your local news anchor's desk and say "click the draw button at 6:15 while the camera does a close-up," and let all of us who spent our money on the draw see the exact number of hits as well, on live TV? I think Dell would donate a computer just for the advertising. I used to play 3-2-1-2 in the Wisconsin Pick 4, 10-one dollar straight tickets every day. $50G shot 1 in 10,000 every day of the week. Way better payout than any scratch off you can buy. Those are sucker bets to casinos, no offense to the players. (I had a $30+/hr job and could afford it, currently laid off due to the economy so that's out of the question.) Why I chose that number is irrelevant I've gone off too long as it is. When 3-1-2-2 hit within 5 months I got that feeling, you know like when someone across the room is staring at you. How do I know they just didn't flip the middle 2 #'s around so they could save 50 extra large? Just like everyone always says, "my numbers hit the day after I quit playing them." Could it be the computer filters out the numbers played every day according to payouts? What would that do to the mathematics? I recently switched to a 2-9-7 $1 str/bx Pick 3 about 3 months ago, (daily of course) I find it amazing almost every combination of 2-9-X or 2-7-X has hit except the one played for 7 draws at a time. Check out their Double Draw for 6/24. Do mathematics help you win? No way. With all the news of Ponzi schemes, bailouts that pay for spa trips and 2 month later bankruptcys, do you really think the Lottery is any different? All I know is some day they'll slip, and I'll never have to work again. And they'll probably be the one without the job. Maybe the government should step in and take over to give consumers the confidence in the lottery. You can say I'm bitter, you've won using your mathematical system, etc. I'm not buyin' it.

Stone Mountain*Georgia United States Member #828 November 2, 2002 10491 Posts Offline

Posted: June 25, 2009, 8:07 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by paurths on June 24, 2009

True!

Lets take pick3 for an example. You can take any other game, but for this example's sake it is easier math.

There are 3 X 10 digits, from 0 through 9 for each position. There are 3 digits drawn each draw. It is easy math to calculate how many times a digit will show up after 10 draws in each position. The answer is: each digit will appear once, for each position. This ofcourse is theory. In reality it wont be like that.

At least, not after 10 draws.

I'll use North Carolina Eve for this example, because NC eve has had 992 draws so far.

Lets round it up to a thousand, for the examples sake.

The theoretical statistics tell us that in position 1 each digit should have fallen 100 times. The reality however shows something else:

Digit 0 : 111 times Digit 1 : 117 times Digit 2 : 105 times Digit 3 : 108 times Digit 4 : 85 times Digit 5 : 88 times Digit 6 : 96 times Digit 7 : 92 times Digit 8 : 100 times Digit 9 : 90 times

Some digits seem to fall more than other digits, but they all float around that magical 100.

If we would review these statistics in another 1000 draws, so when there have been 2000 draws, perhaps digit 1 will no longer be the best performing digit in position 1. Perhaps digit 4, with now "only" 85 appearances, will have the highest hits.

Still, they will all float around the value of 200, give or take 10 to 20 %.

If a digit falls "behind" on hits, it will make it up after another set of draws. (that is when the "hot period" for a digit starts, after a cold period...)

And this example was only for digits in 1 position. We can review the other position, all on itself, or take all 3 positions into account.

The boxed pairs: A non-match boxed pair (2 different digits) have a mathematical skip of 18.51 draws, meaning that in theory when a pair hits, it will go away and come back after 18.51 draws. A match pair, e.g 11, 22, 33, ..., has an average skip of 35.71 draws. Again, that's the theory. A Pick3 number is always made of 3 pairs, even when it is a double (225, 338, ...) We put the number in its boxed format, meaning the lowest digit first, then the second highest digit and the highest digit in last position. ABC : the pairs are AB, AC and BC (or any other order ofcourse)

This is the current data for the first 10 pairs, for NC eve:

Pairs

Times

Cur. skip

Av. skip

Math Av skip

Box pairs

00

32

43

31,

35,71

01

48

25

20,67

18,51

02

57

2

17,4

18,51

03

58

2

17,1

18,51

04

63

11

15,75

18,51

05

50

12

19,84

18,51

06

62

5

16,

18,51

07

49

12

20,24

18,51

08

54

26

18,37

18,51

09

57

29

17,4

18,51

The column "Av. skip" is the real average skip, calculated on real hits, in comparison to the amount of draws.

Some pairs perform better than others, just like the digits.

But again, give them another 1000 draws and the picture will be different for those pairs.

What stays the same is that the real average skip will move towards the Mathematical average skip.

And this was only for digits and boxed pairs. There are LDR, Root, Sums, straight pairs, straight positional pairs, VTracs, HighLow, OddEven, InOut, OpenClosed, ... name it...

Now, when looking at these pairs in the example we see that the current skip (amount of draws the pairs has not shown in the draws) for pair 09 is at 29 draws. We then say "it is 1.5 times due" (approx.)

Things go rarely "missing" (times due) for 8 times their average skip. If a pair has a current skip of 148 draws, then it is 8 times due. That's like a breaking point in the statistical data i have assemblied.

In Wisconsin for example, the boxed pair 01 is out for 146 draws. So it is 7.89 times due. Now, there is no guarantee, but this pair will soon come in!!! (no guarantee because they might have had a testdraw in which that pair showed up, and we know nothing about it --> but it doesn't matter, it doesn't!!! lol)

Why stay with "part" of a number?

Why not use a set of numbers? Lets be honest, waiting for the 01 to come in for 100 draws is a mighty long time lol, and the profit will be low. Lets take the set of numbers HHH, straight. This would represent 125 straight numbers. 1000 / 125 = 8 So the average skip is 8 draws. If in State X the structure HHH has not fallen for 64 draws, then none of those numbers have fallen for 64 draws. (In theory each straight number will fall once every 1000 draws. (in reality that is not so!)) So one could start playing those 125 numbers using that information. And i know, playing 125 numbers is a big risk.! and with a payout of 500 to 1, the risk is just too high. (but not with a payout of 900 to 1!!!)

This was just a small example of how statistics are so usefull in these games.

Ofcourse, if you take a 6/42 game, which has over 5 000 000 combinations, it takes a whole other approach to use the statistics to your advantage. Still, it can be done. But it takes time, perhaps a lifetime lol

cheers Ricky

Thanks Paurths.

Reading your posts now and again .........is just like taking a breath of fresh air. What a relief !

Clear ....crisp.... to the point.

One day they will look back and say......

"this was beginning.... this was the early days of Lottery science.... just before they were finally forced to close down all the government run lotteries."

Hey.....It might happen just that way.... LOL

If , it's ever gonna happen .... this way is the way.

I vote for a new forum starting right here.... The Lottery Science Forum

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

UK United Kingdom Member #9650 December 15, 2004 222 Posts Offline

Posted: June 25, 2009, 8:29 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by GolfSmack on June 25, 2009

O.k., first just let me say that I don't mean to offend anyone, even though I know I will. Everyone has their own opinion and their right to it. In Wisconsin Pick 3, 000, 001, and 002 (totals 0, 1, and 2) have won. Whether or not anyone actually had those tickets, I don't know and don't care since I didn't. I do find all the number systems and mathematics on this site quite interesting and have spent some time trying to "crack the lottery code." Yes you can see patterns in past draws, times of the year, days of the week, etc., etc.... Given any set of finite numbers you're going to be able to come to some conclusion about patterns, sums, correlations, and so on. One thing I don't see in any of these systems seems odd to me. I once read somewhere that one state (not sure which, sorry) "tests" their system twice before each draw. One can only figure this means they hit enter on their computerized RNG and a number comes up. I say "number" because, in it's essence, Pick 3, for example, is just a number between 0 and 999. So in every system on Lottery Post, there would be an error since the past 2,3,4, or 100 draws were not actually the last 2,3,4, or 100 draws. I also read another state, and I will try to find my source for this one as well, uses TWO computers for their draws. Now if you equate that in, even though there may seem to be some sort of pattern, there really is none because none of the draws were actually sequential. Example: Monday, computer A, test, test, draw, Tuesday, computer B, test, test, draw, Wednesday, computer B test, test, draw. And who really knows what the Lotto board does from day to day. And as soon as they make the daily draw, the computer pops up the exact number of straights and boxes hit, where the ticket was sold, and what time it was sold. If your state allows you to use a debit card, they probably know who bought it as well. The lottery is a business designed to make money, FOR THE STATE. They can tempt you with big payouts and seemingly terrific odds, and show pictures of winners with big checks, but their goal is not to make you rich. It's to make money. If they see too many winning tickets hit 911, 777, or any other specific number, who's to say they don't just call it a "test"? They even limit the number of tickets sold on specific numbers to help prevent the big payouts on Pick 3 and Pick 4. And then they have the nerve to tell us that televised drawings cost the state too much money. How much would it cost them to put a Dell on the desk of your local news anchor's desk and say "click the draw button at 6:15 while the camera does a close-up," and let all of us who spent our money on the draw see the exact number of hits as well, on live TV? I think Dell would donate a computer just for the advertising. I used to play 3-2-1-2 in the Wisconsin Pick 4, 10-one dollar straight tickets every day. $50G shot 1 in 10,000 every day of the week. Way better payout than any scratch off you can buy. Those are sucker bets to casinos, no offense to the players. (I had a $30+/hr job and could afford it, currently laid off due to the economy so that's out of the question.) Why I chose that number is irrelevant I've gone off too long as it is. When 3-1-2-2 hit within 5 months I got that feeling, you know like when someone across the room is staring at you. How do I know they just didn't flip the middle 2 #'s around so they could save 50 extra large? Just like everyone always says, "my numbers hit the day after I quit playing them." Could it be the computer filters out the numbers played every day according to payouts? What would that do to the mathematics? I recently switched to a 2-9-7 $1 str/bx Pick 3 about 3 months ago, (daily of course) I find it amazing almost every combination of 2-9-X or 2-7-X has hit except the one played for 7 draws at a time. Check out their Double Draw for 6/24. Do mathematics help you win? No way. With all the news of Ponzi schemes, bailouts that pay for spa trips and 2 month later bankruptcys, do you really think the Lottery is any different? All I know is some day they'll slip, and I'll never have to work again. And they'll probably be the one without the job. Maybe the government should step in and take over to give consumers the confidence in the lottery. You can say I'm bitter, you've won using your mathematical system, etc. I'm not buyin' it.

Fair point BUT....If you don’t play then you won’t stand a chance to win, true?

To my understanding and from your words all lotteries are rigged, you have provided some of the reasons.... so if it is rigged then there must be system in place which that system has to be mathematical and nothing else and therefore we use math to narrow down to their system and increasing our chances to win more often or perhaps win big!

If you believe lottery is random then you might as well spend a dollar and buy one line ticket whereas you only need one line to win jackpot but if you buy more than one line ticket is because you want to increase your chances of wining that jackpot so the more tickets you buy the more probable becomes for you to win! This is MATH

..And if lottery is rigged the answers to all questions are in math

So either way math’s dictates and rules the lottery ..unless you don’t play the game or basically play one line ticket!

From what I understan from own words if you were trying to crack the lottery code then you must believe that lottery is rigged too!

I want the digits also, but at least I'm attempting to understand how to come up with picks myself without begging, pleading, or demanding...Do some homework...You'll appreaciate a win more...and you might just learn somethings along the way.

Thanks to everyones help here, I've certainly learned a bit. Good luck...

The only DUMB question is the one question you DID NOT ask...

Use Mirror #'s Use prs. with your Key* numbers the most Vivid thing in your dream go up or down on #'s. Flip 6=9 `9=6 Bullseyes 0 or 1 for Pick 4 and the P. 5 Play the other part of doubles. Do the Whole nine yards for a P. 4* P. 5* or 0 thur 9 for P. 4 P. 5 from my dreams or hunches good Luck.. Write your Dreams down Play for 3 days. Good Luck All.