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The REAL reason lotteries like RNG.

Topic closed. 77 replies. Last post 6 years ago by jwhou.

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Posted: July 25, 2010, 9:16 pm - IP Logged

Be careful if you go to Kentucky. There's roving bands of itinerant morons up there.

Heading for Ken-Tuck tomorrow.  Don't think I'll meet any itinerant morons as I will be driving at 70 mph all the way thru. 

What's your take on Ohio?  I'll be spending the night in Cleveland.  Any itinerant morons (or any other kind of moron) up there?

    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
    Way back up in them dadgum hills, son!
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    April 28, 2009
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    Posted: July 25, 2010, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

    Heading for Ken-Tuck tomorrow.  Don't think I'll meet any itinerant morons as I will be driving at 70 mph all the way thru. 

    What's your take on Ohio?  I'll be spending the night in Cleveland.  Any itinerant morons (or any other kind of moron) up there?

    I don't know much about Ohio, GM.

    But definitely keep the hammer down til you're out of Ky.

    Did you ever see the movie Deliverance? Well, I'm not going to go into detail about that but think Deliverance on a massive scale when you go through Kentucky.

    Make sure you have enough gas to get through the state so you don't have to stop anywhere.

    Also make sure you have a gun for each hand in case you break down and don't forget to save one round for yourself in case they get to ya anyway.

    Watch out for an old redheaded guy with a Post Office uniform on. They call him "The Mailman".

    He's their leader.







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      Posted: July 27, 2010, 6:01 pm - IP Logged

      I posted this on my blog, but I thought I'd post it here too considering that you guys would probably find this interesting.

      Random Number Generators. They are, for many reasons, the bane of many lottery player's existance. In some cases the complaints are enough to make you believe that the complainer is a member of the frequent buyer's club at Ty's Tin-Foil Hat Warehouse. But there are just as many good reasons for hating these things, one of which is that they have proven to be problematic, and those problems can go on unnoticed indefinitely.

      For example, when ball machines screw up and have problems, they're easy to spot, because ping-pong and rubber balls, and the machines that mix them, are completely tangible. If there's a crack in the ball, you're going to see it, and you can rectify it quickly. That isn't always possible with RNGs, because you can't easily spot a "crack" in a computer program's code. Case in point, when problems came up with California's and Tennessee's RNG, they were not noticed and fixed until some keen-eyed players noticed the problem many draws later. These problems kept some players from winning, and these problems would not have occurred if the lotteries in question had stuck with ball drawings. The lotteries obviously did not want this to happen, as at least in Tennessee, this proved to be a PR nightmare. But none of these lotteries have switched back to balls despite the bad press. Why is this? Are they really trying to screw players? Are they rigging the draws and just got caught? No, frequent buyer of tin-foil hats, but the real reason, as I have figured out, isn't that much better. The reason is, they're lazy.

      Yeah, they're lazy.

      You see, RNGs are a lot easier to use. No inspecting balls, no loading balls into the machine for the test draw, not loading balls for the real draw. All officials have to do is sign a few names, clip a few seals, make a few mouse clicks, and just like that they have numbers. That's the real reason a lot of lottery directors like these things, and that's the real reason the use them. Lost sales are, in their eyes, perfectly justified if it means less work for them and as long as the sales drops aren't catastrophic, lottery directors won't be getting any pink slips from the governor. After all, they get most of their sales from scratch-offs anyway.

      RNG's are also an opportunity for people to work out some mathematical method of detecting and exploiting a RNG bug before the officials discover it.   Of course, the mathematical theorems and proofs would be far beyond the abilities of most people but would only be at the level of the people that the software company could hire.

      Ideally, if you could somehow obtain a copy of their RNG software, you could put it through rigorous tests using many many computers on the internet to try and detect some form of predictability.

      Coming up with an RNG that avoids falling into a predictable pattern is far more difficult than one would think.

      As to why they would go with RNG, you're right, it's because they're lazy but it's also so that they can have more game offerings such as Keno playing every five minutes.