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Mathematics and the Lottery

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Can a winning lottery system be created with existing math formulas?

Yes-It's all in the math books. [ 228 ]  [43.02%]
No-Anew math for will have to be created. [ 78 ]  [14.72%]
Math won't beat the lottery regularly. [ 224 ]  [42.26%]
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Posted: January 27, 2013, 3:49 am - IP Logged

Hi,

  I agree with point 1. conditionally. There is currently no system that can will allow everybody to win consistently. Please note that in California, 6% of the dollars recieved always goes to administrative costs. If the game is paramutel, the payouts are scaled accordingly. Reguardless, there is always enough money.

  About point 2.....

  I think it depends on diffferent factors.

  What is a winning system? One that produces a positive cash flow? Is it one you can retire with?

  In a Pick 3 enviroment you need to be able to produce multiple wins to generate a moderate postive cash flow dependant upon wheeling/combination amounts.

  In the Major Jackpot games you only need to hit right once ( the rewards for sharing probably won't exceed the win amount).

  Pick 5 games lie somewhere in between.

  Then there is the issue of sharing. Who knows how simple or complex a winning system will be. It might end up to be to complex to explain to the masses. It might be to costly to generate newly created software. If you were the latest $89 million mega millions winner from New Jersy, would you be spending the time to market your system?

  As for me, I am seeing some strong indicators that certain lotteries can be beat ( a positive cash flow ). Will I share? Probably not. I only want to fatten my wallet, not my ego. *S*

Thanks for your response.

 

I'm not so sure what you mean by "there is always enough money". Even if 100% of ticket sales go to prizes, you (the group of lottery players) will only get back

the amount you paid, i.e if 10,000,000 people played an average of 2 dollars each, the total return they'll get back will be 20,000,000, and not a single cent more.

 

No matter how you distribute the winnings, you can't create a situation where everyone  wins, because that requires more money than the total amount spent on 

lotteries. Does that make sense? There's simply no way everyone can win, unless they can bring in money from other sources, like advertising for example, but 

that's a whole different can of worms.

 

You did bring up an interesting point. What is a winning system? 

 

I think we can define a winning system to be one where your expected ROI (return on investment) of $1 is at least greater than 1. It could be 1.00001, so you 

expect to earn a dollar per 100,000, but the return should at least be greater than 1. So it is irrelevant which game you're playing, because you just need an ROI

that's greater than 1. 

 

The issue for "sharing" is a non-issue. You don't need to explain it to the masses. As long as top mathematicans understand it and agree that it is logically sound

then you're the man of the century. Honestly, if you found a method for ANY of the lotteries in the world, go share it now. Not with me, but with professors from 

harvard or princeton or MIT. I can guarantee you you'll rake in much more money than you'll ever need, and fame for centuries to come as a bonus. 

 

But first you have to explain how everyone can generate a positive cashflow. This means if the total amount of money put in by all lottery players is 10 million for

example, they'll receive at least 10,000,000.00 back in total.

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    Posted: January 28, 2013, 11:19 pm - IP Logged

    I think most people think winning the lottery has to be done by using mathematical calculations simply because the lottery involves numbers.  Personally I think they are looking in the wrong direction when all it takes is good, old fashion....Common Sense.  A system can be created to win and it doesn't take math to do it.  I created a system over 15 yrs ago for Pick 3 that if I could figure out the final step I could generate the EXACT 99.9% of the time.   Had the system put into a software program.  Haven't worked on it in years because had to return to work and since have had too many things going on in my life.  Right now am concentrating on the Texas All of Nothing where you have a field of 24 numbers and you pick 12.  If you get ALL you get $250,000.   Usually get 8 numbers every day and have had 9 and 10 a few times.

    Just study the numbers and learn how and when they play.  Here is a tipe for you on the Pick 3:   Most of the time a digit that just played will repeat.  Usually about 60-62% of the time.  Another hint, Most digits will repeat before they get 5 or more draws from the last time they appeared.  One last hint:  For the Pick 3 - find 1 digit that is going to play and figure out what 'position" it will appear in (1st, 2nd 3rd) and you can reduce your Odds from 1 in 1000 to 1 in 100!

    This is just using good, old common sense and there is no mathematical equation to use.

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      Unfortunately good old common sense would tell me to just earn my living by playing pick 3s and texas all or nothings if I could win 99.9% of the time.

       

      Why would I have to return to work? (They way you wrote it sounds like you'd rather not "have" to return to work, which you definitely didn't given you 

      can win so much from the lottery)

       

      I'm sorry, what you wrote is not common sense, it's complete and utter [insert word here]. Wanting to win the lottery is one thing, thinking your system

      works is another, but outright lying is unacceptable.

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        Posted: February 14, 2013, 4:13 pm - IP Logged

        Statistics.

        "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, Wisdom is knowing that a tomato does not go in a fruit salad."  Hat

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          Game for rich people.

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            Hi,

            FYI

            If you want to start programming as easily as possible at no cost.

            http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22961

            http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14246

            You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

            Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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              Microsoft proposed those. Do you have advanced manuals?

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                Microsoft proposed those. Do you have advanced manuals?

                Hi,

                  You might like this for VBA...

                http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=9034

                  Try Microsoft downloads for your specific interests. There is a lot of free downloads/documentation/training for older versions.

                You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

                Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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                  At the moment I am more into Oracle, but don't stop using VBA Excel.


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                    At the moment I am more into Oracle, but don't stop using VBA Excel.

                    Patriot

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                      Lotto BE with java

                      5er combinations, modi:

                      5-20-32-34-36 2
                      5-26-32-36-37 2
                      7-20-27-36-39 2
                      12-31-34-43-45 2

                      Lotto BE 6+C/45, 152 drawings

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                        Try using a different set of mirror numbers. The mirror number changes i am using is giving me some different perspective: 1=9, 3=2, 8=6, 4=7, and 5=0. See if this helps and then let me know.

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                          Mirror numbers are for beginners.

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                            How much for a system that really worked?

                            Luck be with you!!!

                            NOTE: All numbers posted are BOXED and unless otherwise noted.

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                              You can easily build a scam by testing on the past results and presenting frequent events as system. Of course when the wind is changing direction, that system stops working.

                                 
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