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# Mathematics and the Lottery

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Can a winning lottery system be created with existing math formulas?

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dr san

Here are the results and they speak for them selves.  For the setup I calculated

the top 12 hitting numbers usine the 500 previous draws for each set. Meaning I

started with the first draw and then took the top 12 hitters from the previous

500 draws.  Each draw is calculated using the previous 500 drawings.  this is a

list of the last 100 drawings for MO 5-39 showing how many of the 5 numbers came

from the top 12 drawn numbers.  Some lines have more then 12 numbers because

I used the top hitting values to avoid cutting out numbers with equal hit rates.

MATCHED 0 = 8
MATCHED 1 = 40
MATCHED 2 = 28
MATCHED 3 = 20
MATCHED 4 = 4
MATCHED 5 = 0

HIT  DRAWN              Top 12 or top 31% hitting numbers
3   02 09 11 18 23   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   05 08 29 34 35   03 08 35 15 11 20 05 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 03 04 23 33   03 08 35 15 11 20 05 09 37 18 26 21
2   07 12 14 15 37   03 08 35 11 15 20 05 09 18 21 26 37
3   08 11 20 29 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 21 26 37
2   04 20 21 25 33   03 08 35 15 11 05 20 09 37 18 21 26
2   05 21 22 23 25   03 08 35 11 15 05 20 09 37 18 21 26
1   02 03 25 29 32   03 08 35 11 15 05 20 09 18 26 37 21
2   11 17 20 25 31   03 08 35 15 11 05 20 09 37 18 26 21
3   03 10 11 15 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 37 26 21
3   09 20 24 35 38   08 03 35 05 15 11 20 37 09 18 26 21
2   01 26 32 35 38   08 03 15 35 05 11 20 18 37 09 21 26
2   03 18 27 31 39   08 03 15 35 05 11 20 37 09 18 21 26
1   19 22 30 35 36   08 03 15 11 35 05 20 37 09 18 26 21
1   06 08 14 23 25   03 08 11 15 35 05 20 37 09 18 26 21
3   03 09 18 31 36   03 08 11 15 35 05 20 37 09 18 26 21
3   09 11 18 23 25   03 08 15 11 35 05 37 20 26 09 18 21
1   01 07 30 33 35   03 08 15 05 11 35 20 37 09 26 18 21
1   16 17 21 31 38   08 03 15 05 11 35 37 20 26 09 18 21
1   07 10 30 34 37   08 03 15 05 11 20 35 37 26 09 18 21
2   23 24 26 34 35   08 03 15 05 11 20 37 35 09 26 18 21
1   02 10 21 23 24   08 03 15 05 11 20 37 35 09 26 18 21
2   05 30 33 35 38   08 03 15 05 11 20 37 35 09 18 26 21
3   08 18 20 22 29   03 08 15 05 11 37 20 35 09 26 18 21
1   01 11 12 14 24   15 03 08 05 11 37 20 35 09 26 18 21
1   10 11 17 23 28   15 03 08 05 37 11 20 35 09 26 18 21
0   04 10 22 25 27   15 03 08 05 37 11 20 35 26 09 18 21
3   03 20 26 27 39   15 08 03 05 37 11 20 35 26 09 18 21
2   02 11 19 37 38   15 08 03 05 37 11 20 26 35 09 18 21
1   01 04 05 24 32   15 08 03 05 37 11 20 26 35 09 18 21
3   03 16 18 24 26   15 08 03 05 35 37 11 20 26 09 18 21
3   03 14 21 28 35   15 08 03 05 37 11 20 26 35 09 18 21
3   03 09 15 16 24   15 08 03 05 20 26 37 11 35 09 18 21 33
2   03 04 08 10 28   15 08 05 26 37 03 20 11 35 09 18 21 33
0   17 23 25 30 36   15 08 05 26 37 03 20 35 11 09 18 21 33 34
2   07 30 35 37 38   15 08 05 26 03 20 37 11 35 09 18 21
1   09 14 19 29 33   15 08 03 05 26 37 11 20 35 18 09 21
1   07 24 30 34 35   15 08 03 05 11 26 37 20 35 18 09 21
1   10 12 14 20 39   15 08 03 05 11 26 37 20 35 18 09 21
1   01 06 09 30 39   15 08 03 05 11 26 37 20 35 18 21 09
1   12 23 29 30 35   15 08 03 05 11 26 37 20 35 18 21 09 36
1   02 15 24 34 38   15 08 03 05 11 26 37 20 35 18 21 09 36
2   14 20 34 37 38   15 08 11 03 05 26 37 20 35 18 21 09 31 36
2   05 13 19 24 35   08 15 11 26 03 37 05 20 35 18 09 21
2   05 11 14 22 23   08 15 03 26 11 37 05 20 35 18 09 21
1   01 08 21 31 39   15 08 03 26 37 11 05 20 35 18 09 36
2   05 22 26 28 31   15 08 03 37 11 26 05 20 35 18 09 36
4   08 11 13 26 35   15 08 03 37 11 05 26 20 18 35 36 09
0   12 14 24 30 38   15 08 03 37 11 05 26 20 35 09 18 36
1   19 21 24 25 26   15 08 03 37 11 05 26 20 35 36 09 18
1   07 16 20 22 27   15 08 03 11 37 05 26 36 20 35 09 18
0   17 27 29 30 38   15 08 03 11 37 05 26 36 18 20 35 09 33
2   03 06 09 26 28   15 08 03 11 37 05 20 26 36 18 35 33
2   05 06 32 35 39   15 08 03 11 37 05 20 26 36 18 33 35
2   02 08 20 22 31   15 03 08 11 37 05 26 36 18 20 33 35
2   02 04 15 20 23   15 03 08 11 37 05 26 36 18 33 20 35
1   07 13 18 19 28   15 03 08 11 37 05 26 36 33 18 20 35
3   05 08 26 30 34   15 03 08 11 37 05 33 36 26 18 20 35
2   10 11 15 23 28   15 03 08 11 37 05 33 36 20 26 18 35
3   01 15 26 28 33   15 03 08 11 37 05 36 20 33 09 18 26 35
1   12 22 23 25 36   15 03 08 11 37 05 20 33 26 36 09 18 35
2   06 14 24 36 37   15 03 08 11 05 37 20 33 26 09 18 35 36
1   06 07 13 30 33   15 03 08 11 05 37 20 26 33 09 18 35 36
1   11 14 22 32 36   15 03 08 05 11 37 20 33 26 09 18 35
1   05 13 21 25 38   15 03 08 11 05 37 20 33 18 26 09 35
1   02 13 19 20 39   15 03 08 05 11 37 33 18 20 26 09 35
1   04 07 11 25 34   15 03 08 05 11 37 33 18 20 26 09 35
1   14 20 27 29 38   15 03 08 05 11 37 33 09 18 26 20 35
4   03 11 18 28 33   15 08 03 05 11 37 09 18 26 33 20 35
4   08 09 11 15 39   15 08 03 05 37 11 18 26 33 09 20 35 36
0   02 13 14 28 32   15 08 03 05 37 11 26 18 33 09 20 35 36
0   07 12 14 21 30   15 08 03 05 37 11 26 18 33 09 20 35 36
2   04 06 08 36 37   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 18 33 35 09 20
3   05 07 15 23 35   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 33 09 18 20 35
1   04 06 13 23 35   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 33 09 18 20 31 35
1   01 02 08 30 39   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 33 09 18 35 20 31
3   03 22 24 26 37   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 33 09 18 35 20 31
2   20 22 33 37 38   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 09 18 33 35 31
2   10 15 18 29 34   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 33 35 09 18 31
3   11 13 16 18 33   15 03 08 05 37 11 26 35 09 33 18 31
1   06 19 32 36 37   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 35 09 33 18 20 31
1   03 12 16 30 38   15 03 08 05 11 37 26 35 09 33 18 20 31
1   04 21 27 32 37   15 03 08 05 11 26 35 37 09 33 18 20 31
1   05 07 13 14 34   08 15 03 05 11 35 26 37 09 33 18 20 31
2   03 12 16 22 26   08 15 03 05 11 35 26 33 37 09 18 20 31
3   08 14 20 30 31   15 08 03 05 11 26 35 09 33 37 18 20 31 36
2   01 03 20 33 34   15 08 03 05 11 26 35 09 37 33 18 31 36
4   05 08 09 23 26   15 08 03 05 11 35 26 37 09 18 33 31 36
1   13 14 22 25 37   15 08 03 05 11 35 18 26 37 09 33 20 31 36
2   02 09 15 19 27   15 08 03 05 11 35 18 26 37 09 33 36
1   14 15 20 32 39   15 08 03 05 11 35 18 26 37 09 33 36
0   13 16 19 27 34   15 03 08 05 11 26 35 18 37 09 33 36
3   03 09 14 18 27   15 05 08 03 11 26 35 37 18 33 09 36
1   18 19 22 27 31   15 05 08 03 11 26 35 37 33 36 09 18
2   04 11 18 20 23   15 03 05 08 11 26 35 37 09 33 36 17 18
1   01 06 11 16 29   15 03 05 08 26 35 37 11 36 09 33 17 18 21
1   09 19 22 24 32   15 03 05 08 35 26 37 11 36 09 33 17 18 21
3   08 19 28 35 37   03 15 05 08 26 35 37 09 11 36 33 17 18 21
0   17 20 27 31 32   03 05 15 08 26 35 37 09 11 36 33 18 21
1   05 14 19 21 28   03 15 05 08 26 37 35 09 11 36 33 18

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dr san

I know the 80/20 rule inside and out and understand what you say but what I am saying is that

you still have to pick the last 20%.  It's this last 20 that blocks the way.  Even with my software

80% of the settings are easy to hit but the other 20% are not.  This 20% is responsable for 80%

of my winnings.   Pareto's law is a basic rule and I think most already know or have heard of it.

What I need is how to select the last 20.

jking

As a general rule if you are using 27% of the numbers then 27% of the draws will come from those

numbers over time.  Looking at my 5-39 using your results then 90 hits in 523 draws 90/523= 17%.

The average hits for any group that contains 27% of the 39 numbers should be .27*523=141.

I think to test this one would need to test it draw by draw.  If for my 5-39 I found that 80% of the

numbers came from the top 30% I would wheel the top 12 numbers every day for a 4of5 which can

be covered in 123 lines using covermaster.   This could provide a nice profit and  allow me to keep

playing until I hit big.  I don't think this is possible and the rule fails for lottery.  I will write a small

program and test the results for a day to day play and see how it does.  I think random will win this

one also.  I do find it a little funny that while I expect the 80/20 rule to fail selecting numbers that it

holds true for my filter settings.  This is why I don't look at numbers, while the numbers seem to have

no order the secondary data does.  Just my thoughts.

RL

correction of eariler post

The below statement is worded wrong

As a general rule if you are using 27% of the numbers then 27% of the draws will come from those

it should read                                                                         27% of the numbers drawn will

This one is also incorrect

The average hits for any group that contains 27% of the 39 numbers should be .27*523=141

correction

The expected numbers in each draw from this group should be .27 * 5 = 1.35.  There are 10.53,

(11 rounded) numbers in 27% and 462 total combinations of 5 in 11.  462/575757 = .00080

percent or 1 in every 1264 draws is expected to have have 5 numbers from any 11 number group.

Sorry for the mistakes,  Below is another run where I used the current top 12 and compared them

to the last 100 drawings.  As you can see the results are almost the same as if I recalculated them

each time.  Using a 12 number group the expected hits should be 12/39=31%  31% * 5 = 1.53.  The

total hits below = 100 and 153 is the expected for 100 draws so the top 31% performed  less then what

a random group would be expected to hit.

MATCHED 0 = 10
MATCHED 1 = 36
MATCHED 2 = 27
MATCHED 3 = 23
MATCHED 4 = 4
MATCHED 5 = 0

3   02 09 11 18 23   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   05 08 29 34 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   01 03 04 23 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   07 12 14 15 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   08 11 20 29 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   04 20 21 25 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   05 21 22 23 25   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   02 03 25 29 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   11 17 20 25 31   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 10 11 15 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   09 20 24 35 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   01 26 32 35 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   03 18 27 31 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   19 22 30 35 36   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   06 08 14 23 25   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 09 18 31 36   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   09 11 18 23 25   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   01 07 30 33 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   16 17 21 31 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   07 10 30 34 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   23 24 26 34 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   02 10 21 23 24   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   05 30 33 35 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   08 18 20 22 29   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 11 12 14 24   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   10 11 17 23 28   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   04 10 22 25 27   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 20 26 27 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   02 11 19 37 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 04 05 24 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 16 18 24 26   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   03 14 21 28 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 09 15 16 24   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   03 04 08 10 28   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   17 23 25 30 36   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   07 30 35 37 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   09 14 19 29 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   07 24 30 34 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   10 12 14 20 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 06 09 30 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   12 23 29 30 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   02 15 24 34 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   14 20 34 37 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   05 13 19 24 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   05 11 14 22 23   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 08 21 31 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   05 22 26 28 31   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
4   08 11 13 26 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   12 14 24 30 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   19 21 24 25 26   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   07 16 20 22 27   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   17 27 29 30 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 06 09 26 28   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   05 06 32 35 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   02 08 20 22 31   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   02 04 15 20 23   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   07 13 18 19 28   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   05 08 26 30 34   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   10 11 15 23 28   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   01 15 26 28 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   12 22 23 25 36   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   06 14 24 36 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   06 07 13 30 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   11 14 22 32 36   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   05 13 21 25 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   02 13 19 20 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   04 07 11 25 34   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   14 20 27 29 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
4   03 11 18 28 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
4   08 09 11 15 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   02 13 14 28 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   07 12 14 21 30   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   04 06 08 36 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   05 07 15 23 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   04 06 13 23 35   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 02 08 30 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 22 24 26 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   20 22 33 37 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   10 15 18 29 34   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   11 13 16 18 33   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   06 19 32 36 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   03 12 16 30 38   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   04 21 27 32 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   05 07 13 14 34   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   03 12 16 22 26   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   08 14 20 30 31   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   01 03 20 33 34   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
4   05 08 09 23 26   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   13 14 22 25 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   02 09 15 19 27   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
2   14 15 20 32 39   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
0   13 16 19 27 34   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   03 09 14 18 27   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   18 19 22 27 31   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   04 11 18 20 23   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   01 06 11 16 29   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   09 19 22 24 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
3   08 19 28 35 37   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   17 20 27 31 32   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33
1   05 14 19 21 28   03 08 35 15 05 11 20 09 18 26 37 33

RL

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Hi,

I went about it in a different way on a different game.

1    50        87
2    59        85
3 *  73        83
4    53        81
5 *  64        78
6 *  66        76
7 *  71        75
8    61        73
9 *  65        73
10 * 83        73
11 * 75        71
12 * 68        70
13 * 76        70
14 * 67        69
15 * 78        69
16 * 66        69
17   58        68
18   59        68
19   61        68
20 * 70        68
21   61        67
22   57        67
23 * 69        66
24 * 68        66
25   47        65
26   60        64
27 * 69        64
28 * 87        61
29 * 64        61
30 * 68        61
31 * 69        61
32 * 73        60
33   61        59
34 * 73        59
35 * 67        58
36 * 70        57
37 * 85        53
38 * 68        50
39 * 81        47

column 1 is the lottery number (the "*" indicates the numbers with the top 27% of occurrences)

column 2 is the total occurrences for each number in 524 games

The 27 out 39 numbers, for a pick 5 game, had the following matches.

0    0
1    8
2    46
3    155
4    207
5    108

I'll post the 524 draws if you want to see them.

I figure that there is a tradeoff that comes into play...You can use a top 20% and get next to no 5/5 hits, or go to a higher %. The downside being that your pool of numbers grow.

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.

There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.

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Hi,

Here is a sampling of the last few draws for the California Fantasy 5. The far right column indicates the highest hits using the top 27% occurring numbers.

So, what do you think?

1         5   6   11   17   33       3

2         4   8   10   20   27       3

3         2   8   13   18   37       2

4         4   15   20   36   39       4

5         3   4   18   36   39       3

6         4   9   24   32   35       4

7         6   10   18   33   36       3

8         7   20   22   26   29       3

9         8   26   29   36   38       3

10       10   27   30   38   39        5

11       17   19   20   27   28       3

12       9   17   20   30   39       4

13       3   9   16   24   39       5

14       3   10   14   34   35       5

15       13   26   32   33   38       3

16       2   11   13   22   29       3

17       2   8   14   15   28       3

18       8   16   19   23   29       3

19       3   9   20   24   32       5

20       6   10   12   13   15       5

21       19   24   26   27   38       3

22       7   30   34   35   39       5

23       13   27   31   34   37       5

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.

There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.

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JKING

Ok, I see what you are doing, I was using the top 27% and you are using the top 27.

I guess I was mixing your post with that of dr san's 80/20 rule.  I took the top 27% of

numbers and then tested them to see how often 80% of the winning numbers came

from that pool.  I missunderstood and thought you were using his idea that the lottery

numbers followed this rule.  I would think that 20% of the tickets sold cover 80% of the

winners but have never tested it so it's just a guess but it would be interesting t find out.

I have found that using the 80/20 rule to test filters can be very useful.  I think the lottery

can be tamed and anything that shows promise should be considered as part of the process.

What I have found is that in a "after the fact run"  it is often 20% of my selections that control

the winners while 80% just filter junk sets.  I have 53 different filters in my software and

most of the time I use 28 to 33 of them in a setup.  Tonight I played my Pick 6-44 and missed

a JP by 3 settings.  These 3 missed filter are only 9% of the 34 that were used but controlled

over 90% of the prize paying tickets in the sets returned.   I measure my success by how many

of the settings that I use were correct because sometimes I can miss 10 of them and still hit a

4 of 5.  If I hit a four of five with such a setup it pays well but was not a product of my ability to

predict my settings.  This is why I don't judge my play by how much I win but rather how many

of my settings I get correct.  If I miss 10 settings but hit a 4of5 it is just a chance occurrence and

had nothing to do with skill or my software.   However if I hit 95% of my settings then I have done

well regardless of my winnings.  If I hit 100% then I have a JP ticket and that is lottery holy grail

of system design.  I also think that those who evaluate their systems based on the dollar return

they will never have a good system.   People poke fun at me when I say things like this but I am a

system desinger not a gambler.   The prize is not my goal but rather a payday for my labor.  I found

out a long time ago that what I was attempting was not going to be easy and I set my goal for

years in the future.  I have hit a JP but it still had a element of chance to it.   I am at the point now

that I can hit a 5of5 around twice a month on 150 lines or less but the problem is that I don't know

a 100% setup from a 90% setup and like I said, I am not a gambler.   I use to tell the people using

my software to try and trap the winning set in 500 or fewer lines because If you can't do this on a

regular basis then what makes you think you can trap it in 10.  Many don't want to put the time into

learning how and why things work the way they do and if they hit it will just be a random event which

had nothing to do with the software and skill.   Others follow it and learn and they will be the ones that

do far better in the long run.  It has taken me 20+ years to get where I am now.  I don't know it all but

I am not as absent minded as I may sometimes appear.   When I tell people that I don't look at the numbers

it is for a reason.  The numbers are randomly drawn and math can't solve random but look for secondary

data which is not as random as the numbers,  The more you move away from the actual numbers the less

and less random the data.   Take the clock apart and study all the cogs and gears until you know what each

one does and what effect it has on the time.  Random is a word we give to an event that is made up of smaller

RL

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JKING

Ok, I see what you are doing, I was using the top 27% and you are using the top 27.

I guess I was mixing your post with that of dr san's 80/20 rule.  I took the top 27% of

numbers and then tested them to see how often 80% of the winning numbers came

from that pool.  I missunderstood and thought you were using his idea that the lottery

numbers followed this rule.  I would think that 20% of the tickets sold cover 80% of the

winners but have never tested it so it's just a guess but it would be interesting t find out.

I have found that using the 80/20 rule to test filters can be very useful.  I think the lottery

can be tamed and anything that shows promise should be considered as part of the process.

What I have found is that in a "after the fact run"  it is often 20% of my selections that control

the winners while 80% just filter junk sets.  I have 53 different filters in my software and

most of the time I use 28 to 33 of them in a setup.  Tonight I played my Pick 6-44 and missed

a JP by 3 settings.  These 3 missed filter are only 9% of the 34 that were used but controlled

over 90% of the prize paying tickets in the sets returned.   I measure my success by how many

of the settings that I use were correct because sometimes I can miss 10 of them and still hit a

4 of 5.  If I hit a four of five with such a setup it pays well but was not a product of my ability to

predict my settings.  This is why I don't judge my play by how much I win but rather how many

of my settings I get correct.  If I miss 10 settings but hit a 4of5 it is just a chance occurrence and

had nothing to do with skill or my software.   However if I hit 95% of my settings then I have done

well regardless of my winnings.  If I hit 100% then I have a JP ticket and that is lottery holy grail

of system design.  I also think that those who evaluate their systems based on the dollar return

they will never have a good system.   People poke fun at me when I say things like this but I am a

system desinger not a gambler.   The prize is not my goal but rather a payday for my labor.  I found

out a long time ago that what I was attempting was not going to be easy and I set my goal for

years in the future.  I have hit a JP but it still had a element of chance to it.   I am at the point now

that I can hit a 5of5 around twice a month on 150 lines or less but the problem is that I don't know

a 100% setup from a 90% setup and like I said, I am not a gambler.   I use to tell the people using

my software to try and trap the winning set in 500 or fewer lines because If you can't do this on a

regular basis then what makes you think you can trap it in 10.  Many don't want to put the time into

learning how and why things work the way they do and if they hit it will just be a random event which

had nothing to do with the software and skill.   Others follow it and learn and they will be the ones that

do far better in the long run.  It has taken me 20+ years to get where I am now.  I don't know it all but

I am not as absent minded as I may sometimes appear.   When I tell people that I don't look at the numbers

it is for a reason.  The numbers are randomly drawn and math can't solve random but look for secondary

data which is not as random as the numbers,  The more you move away from the actual numbers the less

and less random the data.   Take the clock apart and study all the cogs and gears until you know what each

one does and what effect it has on the time.  Random is a word we give to an event that is made up of smaller

RL

Hi,

Your comments are interesting in the fact that we have both come to some of the same conclusions. The answer lies in the properties of the numbers rather than the numbers themselves and that monitoring the performance of each individual filter is very important. From reading some of your previous posts I know our filters are quite different, however the mechanics of how to handle them is quite simular in many respects. I've only starting using these principals over the past month and my hit ratio has gone up dramatically. Thanks for your comments.

By the way, I was using the 27% rule. It was only coincidence that it ended up at 27 numbers. I'm sure the amount of numbers will vary, up and down, as my sample set grows with each draw.

Thanks Dr San for the 80/20 comments.

Back to the topic...As you can see, I'll sometimes take an existing math formula and modify it if I feel that I will get better performance. Poll option #2 in action. *S*

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.

There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.

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Hi,

Your comments are interesting in the fact that we have both come to some of the same conclusions. The answer lies in the properties of the numbers rather than the numbers themselves and that monitoring the performance of each individual filter is very important. From reading some of your previous posts I know our filters are quite different, however the mechanics of how to handle them is quite simular in many respects. I've only starting using these principals over the past month and my hit ratio has gone up dramatically. Thanks for your comments.

By the way, I was using the 27% rule. It was only coincidence that it ended up at 27 numbers. I'm sure the amount of numbers will vary, up and down, as my sample set grows with each draw.

Thanks Dr San for the 80/20 comments.

Back to the topic...As you can see, I'll sometimes take an existing math formula and modify it if I feel that I will get better performance. Poll option #2 in action. *S*

JKING

What you might also have a look at is taking for some predetermined ranges Top15 and Bottom15 numbers. For example, I did it for a range of 84 last draws, draw at a time, and checked this way 67 last draws. If played those 30 numbers would give 21 jackpots in 67 games.

I also had a look at Top15 numbers only, but this time taking the best from a range of 24 draws only. The result seems to be beating what's is expected. I checked 67 games again and the result was:

3 of 5- 17

4 of 5-   1

jackpots- 3

I do not know why and the range I looked at was accidental.

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JKING

What you might also have a look at is taking for some predetermined ranges Top15 and Bottom15 numbers. For example, I did it for a range of 84 last draws, draw at a time, and checked this way 67 last draws. If played those 30 numbers would give 21 jackpots in 67 games.

I also had a look at Top15 numbers only, but this time taking the best from a range of 24 draws only. The result seems to be beating what's is expected. I checked 67 games again and the result was:

3 of 5- 17

4 of 5-   1

jackpots- 3

I do not know why and the range I looked at was accidental.

Hi,

Thanks for the reponse.

After digesting the 80/20 rule and its overall concept, I am having problems with it. The way I design a system....the priorities being 0% error and not eliminating the winning combination. Take a look at the results for the 5/39 game, 27 proposed numbers, from 524 games that I posted...

0     0

1     8

2     46

3     155

4     207

5     108

The first thing to note is that it has changed a 5/39 to a 5/27 game. I haven't done the calculation, but a 5/27 game has to be alot of combinations. And what have you gotten in return. 108/524(20.6%) or about an 80% chance that you've eliminated the winning combination. This is unacceptable filter, as it stands, for the type of systems I design. I'm going to have to try different modifictions to it to see if anything is there.  The subject 80/20 math law may be fine as a business model, but not as a lottery model. I'm going to have to try different modifications to it, perhaps like you suggest, to see if anything is there.

Perhaps this kind of calculation better fits some of the other members systems.

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.

There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.

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JKING

Thanks for your reply,  the type of filter is not the big issue, the real issue is can it be predicted.

No matter how well a filter reduces if it does not have predictable qualities then one should move

on to another.  I find that having several more then are nessary and then using them as replacements

on certain days is helpful.  Even though we may be using different types of filtering the idea is still

basically the same and I am glad to hear someone else has found some merit to the methods.  I have

given away a few copies of my software and others are traping the JP set in less than 200 lines on

more occasions then chance could account for.   It is very hard to move beyound this level but when

you consider the odds of doing this are around 1 in 2878 then it shows much promise.  I think we are

on the right track.

RL

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Hello, on the law of pareto, perhaps in the
lottery have to change the percentage that best adapts to each lottery, lottery
size because it seems or hit your odds
Change the percentage as the size
exemplo49/6 a percentage and 39/5 other
But this is to look for the pattern
of past lottery sweepstakes each to see which best behaves as it extends from
principo that Lottery can only predict mathematically
Until some point after is random or
whether it's a lottery 39/5 if can predict 3 to 4 numbers with certain security,
the rest d posta pra Supplement 5 random ate by almost always repeats a number
of previous draw, as the size of the lottery, it changes a poucom as jking
Saw, and well, we need to adapt it
(the pareto law) to past results, Trump will be controlling the numbers which
repeat of 10 sweepstakes, or with the latest.
As he spoke the rl = randonic, we uncover segments and not
numbers, or numero this or not this segment!
This filters, the problem of the lottery is
not calculator that needs to be 100% always!
The best system is one that has 80% usage of
the past and play sweepstakes a 5 or 10 times in a row.
And not wanting to hit at a time!!
Another
factor
To filter within an array (rows and
columns), the results generate segments within these rows and columns, but needs
to be in the Cartesian plane, with this see positions in the array delayed, rl
randonic you could build a lottery 39/6 several arrays and see how to evolve the
results in curves or different geometric shapes, and a focus
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Hello,
jking, a 6/49 lottery, catch the 25 numbers that more come out and see its
aproveitamentoem 4 numeros has a leverage of almost 80% of sweepstakes sometimes
inside the 25 that more come out of the 5 or 6 numbers, then this condition of
averaged 3 sweepstakes, for this is good play over a sweepstakes
, or detail when der 4 in 25 fewer
leave next sweepstakes, loads more in the 25 most numbers come out, the pareto
rule seems can be used by changing the type of lottery

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Hi,

Going back to my previous example:

0     0          0%

1     8          1.5%

2     46         8.7%

3     155       29.6%

4     207       39.5%

5     108       20.6%

To only use the top occurring numbers, takes you out of a winning position too much of the time, reguardless of the best subsets within that range.

If I were to utilize the 80/20 rule it would be to filter out all combination that don't have at least 3 of the top identified numbers. That way there would only be a 10.2% error. Using that approach (10% or less), the rule wouldn,t be dependent the type of lottery game you are playing. In addition, this approach accommodates the high/low results that so many members are seeing in thier data/lotteries.  For me the fun comes in getting the highest amount of combination reductions with the least amount of error. And, of course, not eliminting the winning combination if at possible.

As always, thank you for your reply. It is always good to work with someone on working for the goal of winning even though we might agree to disagree on some of the elements. *S*

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.

There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.

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RL, I liked your examples and your post to dr san.  I've been playing these games for a long time and I've probably won more than some, but I've also lost my share too.  I think most of the time people are lucky if they can win 10% back of the money they play to win in the long run.  I've stuck to the daily games since I like better odds.  In the short run I can get ahead, but then a cold spell cancels that out.  It's just enough that I stay in the game.

I've used test sets with key numbers.  One of the advantages to this is that you can play all possible combinations of a group of numbers including the keys.  I'm talking about using two or three key numbers in a pick 5 game.  It's easier to hit a pair of key nos. than a trio of key nos.  Even if you hit one key with two numbers in your variable field you can double your money.  It's time consuming to work this out.  I like key numbers that are strong pairs that are on a hitting trend.  It's still like a coin toss.

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kjing hello, just curious = other
examples:
* 80% of the value of the inventory
of an industry or trade focuses on 20% of items.
* 80% of phone calls that you receive
come from 20% of people who you call.
* 80% of the meals ordered in a
restaurant come from 20% of the items of the menu.
* 80% of sales come from 20% of their
customers.
* 80% of the complaints involve
products 20% of the products.
* 80% of an advertising campaign
produces 20% of the results.
* 80% of the audience of TV occurs
during 20% of the time.
* 80% of interruptions come from 20%
of the people who interrupt.
* 80% of the dozens that you hit the
lottery numbers come from 20% of the games that you do.
80% of forum members not
participating, only 20% Act, ahhh!!
In Short ...
"80% of ITS EFFICIENCY ORIGINATES by
DOING 20% of ITS OBLIGATIONS".

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Hi dr san,

I am not disagreeing with any of the examples you have given. In fact, there be millions more that support the law equally. However, when I apply the law against the California Fantasy 5, the results are anything but desirable. Take my latest run....the 20 numbers that have the highest occurrances from 531 games. They are then compared to historical draws for what the maximum match could be from each draw.

The summary ended up as follows:

Matches     Amount      %

0                 46          8

1                 128        24

2                 219        41

3                 109        20

4                 29          5

5                 0            0

So my question is....What did I just get 80% of? Results that have no 5/5 winners and only 25%  that have paydays ( assuming you can pick the right 5 numbers out of 20).

I would also add that RL independently got similar results.

Unless you are seeing something I'm not, the 80/20 law in its pure form simply does not work in a profitable way when applied to the California Fantasy 5.

Believe it or not, I really liked your suggestion of the 80/20 law. Please don't stop making suggestions.

Thanks

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.

There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.

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