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Can a winning lottery system be created with existing math formulas?

Yes-It's all in the math books. [ 228 ]  [43.02%]
No-Anew math for will have to be created. [ 78 ]  [14.72%]
Math won't beat the lottery regularly. [ 224 ]  [42.26%]
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Posted: August 7, 2011, 9:01 pm - IP Logged

HI,

  It's a bad link on this end.

ok 2º link=pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estatística - Em cache


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    HI,

      It's a bad link on this end.

    http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/231473/2067176

    P.S.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

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      bgonçalves
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      ok! JIMMY. thanky

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        bgonçalves
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        hello jking e rl=

        "the interesting thing is to observe that this
        percentage that does not usually occur and also occurs also has a standard and
        this standard is even more fixed than the default that is known to occur more
        often."
        It is obvious no? What else happens in the lottery is if Miss the result.
        Then the standard
        mistake is much larger than the standard set.
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          hello jking e rl=

          "the interesting thing is to observe that this
          percentage that does not usually occur and also occurs also has a standard and
          this standard is even more fixed than the default that is known to occur more
          often."
          It is obvious no? What else happens in the lottery is if Miss the result.
          Then the standard
          mistake is much larger than the standard set.

          Hi,

            Do you have a sample/example of what you are talking about?

          You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

          Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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            bgonçalves
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            Posted: August 8, 2011, 10:43 am - IP Logged

            jking=

            recourse is the stochastic processes as a way to
            treat quantitatively these phenomena, taking advantage of certain features of
            regularity that they present to be described by probabilistic models.
            You can define a stochastic process as a set of random
            variables indexed to a variable (usually the variable time), being represented
            by {X (t), t}.
            Establishing the parallelism with the deterministic case, where
            a function f (t) takes well-defined values over time, a stochastic process takes
            random values over time.
            The values X (t) can assume are called States and to the whole
            state space X.
            Exclusive analysis of past results do
            not allows the determination of a matrix of transition probabilities of
            States.
            The fractal geometry, created by mathematician Benoit
            Mandelbrot, provides us with the idea of how to analyze chaotic phenomena:
            Fractals.
            In our case,
            a fractal's contain a fixed number of results of previous contests to contest
            that is being analyzed, since that is not so great of shape that contains the
            whole universe of dozens of modality, nor so small that the searched occurrence
            has a very long period.
            (Example: each contest will be compared with the previous ten
            contests.)
            This is done, we have a selective
            count of all occurrences recorded.
            To analyze the selective count are
            worth in the theory of Markov Chains, assembling the array of State Transition
            Probabilities, and the vector of Initial Population.
            The product of the vector Population
            by transition Matrix in provides two results quite interesting:
            the Final Population vector);
            (b)) hope the next
            result.
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              jking=

              recourse is the stochastic processes as a way to
              treat quantitatively these phenomena, taking advantage of certain features of
              regularity that they present to be described by probabilistic models.
              You can define a stochastic process as a set of random
              variables indexed to a variable (usually the variable time), being represented
              by {X (t), t}.
              Establishing the parallelism with the deterministic case, where
              a function f (t) takes well-defined values over time, a stochastic process takes
              random values over time.
              The values X (t) can assume are called States and to the whole
              state space X.
              Exclusive analysis of past results do
              not allows the determination of a matrix of transition probabilities of
              States.
              The fractal geometry, created by mathematician Benoit
              Mandelbrot, provides us with the idea of how to analyze chaotic phenomena:
              Fractals.
              In our case,
              a fractal's contain a fixed number of results of previous contests to contest
              that is being analyzed, since that is not so great of shape that contains the
              whole universe of dozens of modality, nor so small that the searched occurrence
              has a very long period.
              (Example: each contest will be compared with the previous ten
              contests.)
              This is done, we have a selective
              count of all occurrences recorded.
              To analyze the selective count are
              worth in the theory of Markov Chains, assembling the array of State Transition
              Probabilities, and the vector of Initial Population.
              The product of the vector Population
              by transition Matrix in provides two results quite interesting:
              the Final Population vector);
              (b)) hope the next
              result.

              Hi,

                Just a couple things to consider:

                 Can random have a state?

                 Are random and chaotic really comparable?

                 Fractals can be described with simple mathematical expressions, are you expecting that true randomness can be descibed in the same way.

                  Just my opinion, but I think there are too many what if's, what abouts, and assumptions made, which make this approach questionable. 

                  Perhaps, some of the other members will feel more comfortable with this approach. *S*

              You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

              Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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                Hi dr san,

                    Please don't feel put off by my not buying in to your approach. Because nobody has posted anything that truely is a winning system, all approaches must be respected. After be a member of the LP for a while, I've seen systems and different approaches come and go. God knows I've tried enough of my own. Just keep in mind that the path you are treading, a pure statistical approach, has been taken before several times. And it's because of the lack luster results it has generated in the past that I shy away from taking the same path. Maybe you will be the one to find a solution, I don't know. I just know at this point and time that I am going to try to solve our common goal in a different way.

                   Thanks for comments, keep posting, and best of luck.

                You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

                Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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                  bgonçalves
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                  Posted: August 8, 2011, 12:45 pm - IP Logged
                  Hello, ok jking, you already tried this in
                  fantansy, 39/5 do
                  An array of 8 x 5 = 40 taking
                  So are 8 columns and 5 rows, do not
                  by unfolding, but combination for docking, i.e.
                  See certain sequence of repeated
                  numbers and then go added others, need to see estatitiscas of frequency and
                  repetition
                  To do this kind of game by docking,
                  good numbers for rows and columns is so
                  1211
                  0112
                  1120...
                  Jking, you can see the lottery 39/5
                  see the statistical quantities of numbers by 5 rows and 8 columns?
                  How many combinations are possible in
                  8 lines (when the array is 8 x 5) will be left with a position because it has 39
                  numbers)
                  And also by rows (5 rows). This has nothing to do with 80/20
                  ok
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                    I have a program where I look at 10000-15000 combinations for each drawing of which I consider 150-300 for my final selection of 20-30 lines. 

                    Lately I've been keeping track of those 150-300 to see if I rejected any winners and I've found I usually reject a match4 and a few match3's every drawing and have rejected what would eventually be a match5 2-5 drawings back twice. 

                    I've been thinking about saving all 10000 to 15000 randomly picked combinations for one drawing to see if I even had a chance of picking a jackpot winner.  It could turn out that even though I generated up to 15000 combinations randomly, there were never anything better than a match4 in the group for that drawing and in that case I would need to come up with a better way of generating random combinations to pick from.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Hello, ok jking, you already tried this in
                      fantansy, 39/5 do
                      An array of 8 x 5 = 40 taking
                      So are 8 columns and 5 rows, do not
                      by unfolding, but combination for docking, i.e.
                      See certain sequence of repeated
                      numbers and then go added others, need to see estatitiscas of frequency and
                      repetition
                      To do this kind of game by docking,
                      good numbers for rows and columns is so
                      1211
                      0112
                      1120...
                      Jking, you can see the lottery 39/5
                      see the statistical quantities of numbers by 5 rows and 8 columns?
                      How many combinations are possible in
                      8 lines (when the array is 8 x 5) will be left with a position because it has 39
                      numbers)
                      And also by rows (5 rows). This has nothing to do with 80/20
                      ok

                      Hi,

                         Been there, done that.

                         And the certainty of which pattern is going to occur in the next draw is?

                         Elimination of the pattern that occurs less than 2% has some merit. *S*

                      You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

                      Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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                        bgonçalves
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                        Hello, jking, you have to do but only
                        endings
                        Example = a line endings and which
                        gave two endings 3.9, has make how many endings and what are
                        In each row and column, good front
                        digit random ETA because it will be 0 to 3
                        Example draw such in line 1 has 2
                        terminaçoes at position 3.9
                        Will have to make a matrix of 10 x 4
                        ok,
                        And so in columns example in column
                        one gave a termination in position, 3
                        After tends to cross the endings, and
                        see the statistic that more leave, or delayed
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                          Hi JKING,

                          Hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but now that you've established the top most hitting numbers in (CA Fan5), how would you go about playing them? Are you wheeling them with one or more "key" numbers?

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                            Hi JKING,

                            Hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but now that you've established the top most hitting numbers in (CA Fan5), how would you go about playing them? Are you wheeling them with one or more "key" numbers?

                            Hi,

                              Everyone is welcome to jump in. *S*

                              I've createdd a system that has approximately 20 filters with little to no error as the foundation. As a secondary filter I've included the 80/20 top hitting numbers. After running all the combinations I get a summary report that shows what numbers have peak values by position. I then very the numbers with the best counts against valid combinations (combinations that don't exceed the min/max conditions of my filters). Sorry, it wasn't an easy answer for you.

                              I just started testing the 80/20 rule with my system for the first time yesterday. Bet three line and got one 2/5 hit. I'll run it for a while and see what happens.

                            You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

                            Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

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                              Hi,

                                Everyone is welcome to jump in. *S*

                                I've createdd a system that has approximately 20 filters with little to no error as the foundation. As a secondary filter I've included the 80/20 top hitting numbers. After running all the combinations I get a summary report that shows what numbers have peak values by position. I then very the numbers with the best counts against valid combinations (combinations that don't exceed the min/max conditions of my filters). Sorry, it wasn't an easy answer for you.

                                I just started testing the 80/20 rule with my system for the first time yesterday. Bet three line and got one 2/5 hit. I'll run it for a while and see what happens.

                              That's ok, I knew it wasn't going to be an easy fix with a pool of numbers that large ... but you were able to filter down to three lines?

                                 
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