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Mathematics and the Lottery

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Can a winning lottery system be created with existing math formulas?

Yes-It's all in the math books. [ 228 ]  [43.02%]
No-Anew math for will have to be created. [ 78 ]  [14.72%]
Math won't beat the lottery regularly. [ 224 ]  [42.26%]
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Posted: September 3, 2011, 11:14 am - IP Logged

Stack wrote "If the last three results were 3 heads and we know each side has a 50/50 chance of happening, shouldn't we logically assume one of the next three flips will be tails and eliminate 2 of the 8 chances (3 heads and 0 tails) and now have a 1 in 6 chance?"

 

 

We can't assume one of the next three flips will be tails.  Plus, 3 heads and 0 tails are the same thing.

 

Why would you eliminate it?  Just because it happened doesn't make it less likely to happen again.

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    Stack wrote "If the last three results were 3 heads and we know each side has a 50/50 chance of happening, shouldn't we logically assume one of the next three flips will be tails and eliminate 2 of the 8 chances (3 heads and 0 tails) and now have a 1 in 6 chance?"

     

     

    We can't assume one of the next three flips will be tails.  Plus, 3 heads and 0 tails are the same thing.

     

    Why would you eliminate it?  Just because it happened doesn't make it less likely to happen again.

    "Why would you eliminate it?  Just because it happened doesn't make it less likely to happen again."

    My point was previous results can be used as a starting point. I was talking about the next three outcomes and since there are 8 possible outcomes, the odds against 3 heads being the results are 7 - 1. By knowing 3 heads were the results of the three previous outcomes, the odds against six consecutive heads are 63 to 1.

    The "0 tails" was a typo and should have been 3 tails. The odds against 3 heads or three tails being the next 3 outcomes are 3 to 1 regardless of the previous results.

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      Posted: September 9, 2011, 6:49 pm - IP Logged

      JKING

      I changed my mind, the lottery will give up it's soul to math.   I give the number games less than two years

      life expectancy.  Think rubix cube, all you need is one point and some simple math.  Chineese puzzle might be

      a better description how to do it.  No super computer required.   I uploaded a video showing the thing in action,

      I don't have all the  little details worked out yet but think I will have it within a year or so.   The video runs fast

      so keep your finger on the pause button as I tried to hurry to cut down on the file size.  The video is around 14mb

      and can be downloaded at the link below.  This is a after the fact run that shows the reduction in a step by step mode.

      The first two or 3 steps are a bit guessy but then a pattern developes and the caculations can be done in your head.

      I think I can automate the entire process in time just need to work out a couple more things.   

      http://www.box.net/shared/axcg6taskhnjgd6emubd 

      RL

      Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

      I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

      they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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        Posted: September 9, 2011, 8:00 pm - IP Logged

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          Posted: September 9, 2011, 8:12 pm - IP Logged

          "Why would you eliminate it?  Just because it happened doesn't make it less likely to happen again."

          My point was previous results can be used as a starting point. I was talking about the next three outcomes and since there are 8 possible outcomes, the odds against 3 heads being the results are 7 - 1. By knowing 3 heads were the results of the three previous outcomes, the odds against six consecutive heads are 63 to 1.

          The "0 tails" was a typo and should have been 3 tails. The odds against 3 heads or three tails being the next 3 outcomes are 3 to 1 regardless of the previous results.

          The odds of 6 consecutive heads are 1 in 64, true, but the odds of 3 heads after 3 heads already came up are 1 in 8.  It makes no difference that the first three were heads.  In fact the odds of getting any 6 outcomes in a row are 1 in 64, because there are exactly 64 possibilities.

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            JKING

            I changed my mind, the lottery will give up it's soul to math.   I give the number games less than two years

            life expectancy.  Think rubix cube, all you need is one point and some simple math.  Chineese puzzle might be

            a better description how to do it.  No super computer required.   I uploaded a video showing the thing in action,

            I don't have all the  little details worked out yet but think I will have it within a year or so.   The video runs fast

            so keep your finger on the pause button as I tried to hurry to cut down on the file size.  The video is around 14mb

            and can be downloaded at the link below.  This is a after the fact run that shows the reduction in a step by step mode.

            The first two or 3 steps are a bit guessy but then a pattern developes and the caculations can be done in your head.

            I think I can automate the entire process in time just need to work out a couple more things.   

            http://www.box.net/shared/axcg6taskhnjgd6emubd 

            RL

            RL thanks for the video.  Very interesting work.

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              The odds of 6 consecutive heads are 1 in 64, true, but the odds of 3 heads after 3 heads already came up are 1 in 8.  It makes no difference that the first three were heads.  In fact the odds of getting any 6 outcomes in a row are 1 in 64, because there are exactly 64 possibilities.

              I clearly said the odds against 3 consecutive heads is still 7 to 1 regardless of the previous outcomes. If a player believes the next three outcomes will be 3 heads and bets one unit three consecutive times, they can get a 3 to 1 return. If a player parlays his winnings, they get the true 7 to 1 return. It's called playing streaks and a common Baccarat strategy.

              Other than the typo I made (0 tails), you seem to be agreeing with me though you're expressing it differently.

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                Ok, I read the first three results from your link.  In one, I found the authors used "P" to denote probability and then proceeded with an equation.  So far so good

                However, it is precisely the "P" in which we are interested.  The authors guess at a value to "P".  We want a good reason to know what that value might be for the next draw.  Hence all the "systems" posted here.  No mathematician will explore ways of determining "P".  We, on the other hand, will go where angels fear to tread.

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                  I clearly said the odds against 3 consecutive heads is still 7 to 1 regardless of the previous outcomes. If a player believes the next three outcomes will be 3 heads and bets one unit three consecutive times, they can get a 3 to 1 return. If a player parlays his winnings, they get the true 7 to 1 return. It's called playing streaks and a common Baccarat strategy.

                  Other than the typo I made (0 tails), you seem to be agreeing with me though you're expressing it differently.

                  Oh ok, I misread what you were saying.  I thought you were trying to say that you shouldn't continue to bet on heads because the odds of it coming are then 1 in 64, which isn't true.

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                    Ok, I read the first three results from your link.  In one, I found the authors used "P" to denote probability and then proceeded with an equation.  So far so good

                    However, it is precisely the "P" in which we are interested.  The authors guess at a value to "P".  We want a good reason to know what that value might be for the next draw.  Hence all the "systems" posted here.  No mathematician will explore ways of determining "P".  We, on the other hand, will go where angels fear to tread.

                    Mathemeticians do have a way of determining P.

                     

                    If there are 10 balls in a tube, and they all weigh the same, and one is being chosen by a random process such as a ball drop, then the P = 1/10, 10% etc.  The other way that they determine P is by running a test on it, seeing the result, over thousands and thousands of draws, and using the results as an approximation of P.

                     

                    There was a family in the 70s that did this with roulette wheels, and found bias numbers, and took advantage of it.  They turned the equivalent of 2,200 dollars into about 1.5 million in a couple of years, just betting on the numbers that after thousands upon thousands of draws, showed a P value higher than expected by the odds the Casino assumed, they only played numbers that, after thousands of spins, showed a P value better than 1/35, which is they payout.

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                      Mathemeticians do have a way of determining P.

                       

                      If there are 10 balls in a tube, and they all weigh the same, and one is being chosen by a random process such as a ball drop, then the P = 1/10, 10% etc.  The other way that they determine P is by running a test on it, seeing the result, over thousands and thousands of draws, and using the results as an approximation of P.

                       

                      There was a family in the 70s that did this with roulette wheels, and found bias numbers, and took advantage of it.  They turned the equivalent of 2,200 dollars into about 1.5 million in a couple of years, just betting on the numbers that after thousands upon thousands of draws, showed a P value higher than expected by the odds the Casino assumed, they only played numbers that, after thousands of spins, showed a P value better than 1/35, which is they payout.

                      Just want to correct my mistake, the P value would have had to be more than 1/36, and they only played the top X numbers (I think it was 2, but I'm not sure, in any case, they only played numbers that came up significantly more often in the long run)

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                        i believe i found a different math to decipher the lottery however, it will take too long to crunch all the combinations, to be honest it will take my computer  about a 1000 years due to the speed of my quad core computer.  The sad thing is the technology doesn't exist, to express my calculations.  But it is a way to crack this stuff.

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                          i believe i found a different math to decipher the lottery however, it will take too long to crunch all the combinations, to be honest it will take my computer  about a 1000 years due to the speed of my quad core computer.  The sad thing is the technology doesn't exist, to express my calculations.  But it is a way to crack this stuff.

                          Hi,

                            How about a little more detail. *S*

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                            JKING

                            I changed my mind, the lottery will give up it's soul to math.   I give the number games less than two years

                            life expectancy.  Think rubix cube, all you need is one point and some simple math.  Chineese puzzle might be

                            a better description how to do it.  No super computer required.   I uploaded a video showing the thing in action,

                            I don't have all the  little details worked out yet but think I will have it within a year or so.   The video runs fast

                            so keep your finger on the pause button as I tried to hurry to cut down on the file size.  The video is around 14mb

                            and can be downloaded at the link below.  This is a after the fact run that shows the reduction in a step by step mode.

                            The first two or 3 steps are a bit guessy but then a pattern developes and the caculations can be done in your head.

                            I think I can automate the entire process in time just need to work out a couple more things.   

                            http://www.box.net/shared/axcg6taskhnjgd6emubd 

                            RL

                            Nice program! Are you going to offer a download here at LP, or sell it online?

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                              Posted: September 24, 2011, 7:22 pm - IP Logged

                              I'm not too proficient at math so I try to use geography instead.

                              (To the tune of "I Was In The Right Place But It Musta Been The Wrong Time" by Dr Hook and the Medicine Show)

                               

                              By being in the right place

                              And hoping it's the right time.

                              Buyin' me some Quick Picks

                              And standin in the right line

                              Smilin' at the cashier

                              Tellin' her she looks fine

                              Gettin' me some cold beer

                              Over by the beer sign

                              Askin' if she'd like one

                              Let 'er know that I'm buyin'

                              Meet 'er later out back

                              Let 'er know she's my kind

                              Get 'er in the pickup

                              Let 'er know that I'm tryin'

                              To win a big ol' jackpot

                              Bigger than a gold mine

                              Sittin' in the backwoods

                              Sippin' on some moonshine

                              Thinkin bout the powerball

                              Thinkin' that we'll do fine

                              She pulls out some Midol...

                              The End

                              @rdgrnr

                              Thanx, lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

                              Great Poem.  ^5

                               

                               

                               

                              Party

                              The Struggle is real!

                                 
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