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If you are Illegal and play lottery shouldn't they learn the rules on collection

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sully16's avatar - sharan
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Posted: September 2, 2011, 4:53 pm - IP Logged

Do we really want someone from God knows where touching our food, How do we know there not from countries that hate us. ?

 

 

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Yikes, hold the Mayo.

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    Yikes, hold the Mayo.

    Hold?

    Green laugh

      sully16's avatar - sharan
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      Sully I agree with you that they shouldn't come here illegally, and we shouldn't provide amnesty to them (well I was OK with the DREAM Act, since they couldn't have come here an an adult and qualified, at least most of them had no choice in coming here in that case) but surely you realize how un-practical it would be to round them all up and kick them out.

       

      The best option, IMO, is to make it easier to legally immigrate here, and then figure out something to do to put illegals on the path to citizenship.  That's a lot easier said that done, because we can't just make it easy - they broke the law.  But if it's too hard, then they'll just ignore it.  It's kind of like tax evaders, every 50 years or so we can provide amnesty from the law - if they come forward and pay their taxes in X amount of time.  We can't do it often, because then people would just evade taxes more, but if we do it once a generation or so - then it'll just bring in more revenue off of people that CAN pay now, just don't for fear of prosecution.

       

      I also find the fact that you say that they don't benefit us in anyway by working and sending the money back home to be wrong, because the cheap labor they provide is beneficial to the general American's standard of living - but if they didn't send money back home and spent it here, then that would be more beneficial, yes.

      I'll give you a couple reasons why not,

      1. To many of them are drug dealers.

      2, To many are not here to work , but to collect welfare, Just ask my 3 Albanians that come in.

      3. Right now they are being used as politcal fodder, I feel 30 million people should not be granted amnesty so they can vote for the guy forking over the welfare.

      NO WAY JOSE,

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        sully16's avatar - sharan
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        Posted: September 2, 2011, 5:03 pm - IP Logged

        Hold?

        Green laugh

        Green laughhehehehe, forget the mayo, and anything else that slob touched.

        Don't ever give up your right to keep and bare arms !

        Your right to protect yourself is your most precious RIGHT!

          Boney526's avatar - NjlpLogo
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          I'll give you a couple reasons why not,

          1. To many of them are drug dealers.

          2, To many are not here to work , but to collect welfare, Just ask my 3 Albanians that come in.

          3. Right now they are being used as politcal fodder, I feel 30 million people should not be granted amnesty so they can vote for the guy forking over the welfare.

          NO WAY JOSE,

          I said we should't procide amnesty, since they did break the law.

           

          It's just so problematic to kick them all out.  I don't think it will be possible.

            sully16's avatar - sharan
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            I said we should't procide amnesty, since they did break the law.

             

            It's just so problematic to kick them all out.  I don't think it will be possible.

            My bad, your right, It would be tough, but just think of how many jobs it would create.

            Don't ever give up your right to keep and bare arms !

            Your right to protect yourself is your most precious RIGHT!

              pepper1's avatar - batman38
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              Posted: September 2, 2011, 5:11 pm - IP Logged

              Pepper, I like you, I really do, and I think it's cool you want to see the rightful owner get their money, but they are illegal, they need to leave our country, and If they want to come here, they do it the right way, not sneak across our boarders.

              It is not okay to break our laws, if we break our laws, we pay fines or go to jail.

              Someone who comes here and works to send the money out of the country isn't helping us one bit.

              Illegals, cost all of us who pay taxes a very large amount of money, in more ways then I can comment on.

              This is our country, not the rest of the worlds.

              Sully, I like you also, and I agree with you 110% I know all the stuff that you're saying my son and husband are in the

              contruction business, so i know first hand what illegal do, but were're to blame for some of this stuff. My post says nothing

              about him getting the money back. Re read

              If I read one more story about an illegal getting his lottery ticket taken I'm going to throw up.

              For people that fight so hard to stay here I just don't understand why you don't know your rights.

              You can't say they don't speak english everything is in spanish, they have lawyer, friend, family, how

              can a total strange beat you out of your lottery ticket, unless you don't want to share with your family, and

              that's why you don't seek help. If you are willing to stand on TV and say were're not leaving, drive a car,

              work here illegal why can't you learn if it's legal for you to collect your money

                sully16's avatar - sharan
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                Posted: September 2, 2011, 5:14 pm - IP Logged

                Sully, I like you also, and I agree with you 110% I know all the stuff that you're saying my son and husband are in the

                contruction business, so i know first hand what illegal do, but were're to blame for some of this stuff. My post says nothing

                about him getting the money back. Re read

                If I read one more story about an illegal getting his lottery ticket taken I'm going to throw up.

                For people that fight so hard to stay here I just don't understand why you don't know your rights.

                You can't say they don't speak english everything is in spanish, they have lawyer, friend, family, how

                can a total strange beat you out of your lottery ticket, unless you don't want to share with your family, and

                that's why you don't seek help. If you are willing to stand on TV and say were're not leaving, drive a car,

                work here illegal why can't you learn if it's legal for you to collect your money

                So true, many of them don't try to learn anything.

                Don't ever give up your right to keep and bare arms !

                Your right to protect yourself is your most precious RIGHT!


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                  Posted: September 2, 2011, 5:17 pm - IP Logged

                  Sully I agree with you that they shouldn't come here illegally, and we shouldn't provide amnesty to them (well I was OK with the DREAM Act, since they couldn't have come here an an adult and qualified, at least most of them had no choice in coming here in that case) but surely you realize how un-practical it would be to round them all up and kick them out.

                   

                  The best option, IMO, is to make it easier to legally immigrate here, and then figure out something to do to put illegals on the path to citizenship.  That's a lot easier said that done, because we can't just make it easy - they broke the law.  But if it's too hard, then they'll just ignore it.  It's kind of like tax evaders, every 50 years or so we can provide amnesty from the law - if they come forward and pay their taxes in X amount of time.  We can't do it often, because then people would just evade taxes more, but if we do it once a generation or so - then it'll just bring in more revenue off of people that CAN pay now, just don't for fear of prosecution.

                   

                  I also find the fact that you say that they don't benefit us in anyway by working and sending the money back home to be wrong, because the cheap labor they provide is beneficial to the general American's standard of living - but if they didn't send money back home and spent it here, then that would be more beneficial, yes.

                   also find the fact that you say that they don't benefit us in anyway by working and sending the money back home to be wrong, because the cheap labor they provide is beneficial to the general American's standard of living - but if they didn't send money back home and spent it here, then that would be more beneficial, yes.

                   

                  If the companies were forced to pay the correct wages, more Americans would be able to work and bring home decent pay. The reason the companies pay low wages is because the illegals are willing to work for cheap wages, thus creating a market for it.

                  I always hear people say that the illegals aren't taking jobs away from Americans because Americans wouldn't want to do those kinds of jobs anyways, but what they don't understand is that If the wages were corrected to the standard levels, more Americans would be willing.  It's the employers who are at fault for creating that situation out of greed which is now even harder to get out of because the food prices would go up.

                    Boney526's avatar - NjlpLogo
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                    My bad, your right, It would be tough, but just think of how many jobs it would create.

                    I study Economics to a degree - I don't really think it would be economically beneficial, for the most part.  The cheap labor that some of them provide does allow for a lot more production in America, the problems with our economy are monetary and debt related.  Obviously plenty of economists would disagree with me, but I think the problem is too much government involvement stiffling economic growth, along with no strong backing of our currency.

                     

                    Given a currency backed by commodities being issued by our government, coupled with a competetive currency market and a laizzes-faires system when it comes to the national ecnonomy - with the exception of trust busting - I think our capitalist marketplace would create more than enough jobs, and wealth for everybody.  The illegal immigrants shouldn't be given amnesty for the fact that they broke the law, but we should encourage legal immigration, because that creates growth in a free market.

                     

                    I also don't think it would create as many jobs because lots of employers would just hire less Americans than illegal aliens, who will take a lower wage most of the time.  Prices would rise as a result of kicking out all of the Aliens.  Their would be more American jobs, but most of them would be minimum wage jobs.  I'm not quite convinced the cost of the rise in prices would be worth it for Americans.

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                      "If the companies were forced to pay the correct wages, more Americans would be able to work and bring home decent pay. The reason the companies pay low wages is because the illegals are willing to work for cheap wages, thus creating a market for it."

                       

                      Your absolutely correct.  But I don't mind that their a mutually beneficial relationship between illegal immigrants, who get a higher wage here than in their countries, and the companies, which can pass those prices on to consumers.  If we just took that away, costs would rise.  Contracts about people's pay shouldn't be negotiable by govnerment entities.

                       

                      On principle - I don't want to provide them amnesty but simply taking them out of the equation would be problematic to American consumers.

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                        Pepper my friend, I respectfully disagree.

                        They don't need to learn the rules of the lottery because they shouldn't even be here playing the lottery.

                        They need to obey the laws of our country.

                        These illegal aliens are cheats and line-jumpers.

                        There are tons of law-abiding people waiting in line to get into this country, doing it the way we prescribe and these criminals jump in front of them and enter our country illegally and think that they have rights here.

                        Well they don't.

                        Illegal aliens have been rounded up and deported before and we could do it again but the dems want them here for their votes and the Republicans want them for cheap labor.

                        But they don't deserve to win any lotteries or earn a paycheck or have any other benefits after breaking our laws and jumping ahead of all the law abiding ones waiting in line for the opportunities this country provides. When you give something to an illegal it's like a slap in the face to the ones trying to do the right thing. And we show them you don't have to obey our laws because we'll give you rights just for making it in here.

                        That is wrong at it's core and only encourages more of the same.

                        I'm so tired of people saying "Oh well, they're already here and there's nothing we can do about it, we might as well give them what they want."

                        B*ll Sh*t!

                        Round em up and send em back to get in line or stay the hell out 

                        And start guarding our own borders like we do South Korea's border.

                        Rdgrnr my friend I agree with what you're saying, but do you see any changing in the laws to keep

                        any illegal from winning any money. Your state and my state  make the laws I don't see any change to stop it. Every

                        family in aerican is being affected. I should know I've being unemployed for almost three year. The last job I had  I refuse

                        to train a green card worker who wasn't doing the job that she was assign to do. She report me to the boss. I got myself out of

                        trouble by saying I wasn't good at training. What I saw was someone who was working, and looking to learn and push other out of the

                        way. There was an India girl in front of me who work just as hard as I did, and kept her mouth close .


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                          "If the companies were forced to pay the correct wages, more Americans would be able to work and bring home decent pay. The reason the companies pay low wages is because the illegals are willing to work for cheap wages, thus creating a market for it."

                           

                          Your absolutely correct.  But I don't mind that their a mutually beneficial relationship between illegal immigrants, who get a higher wage here than in their countries, and the companies, which can pass those prices on to consumers.  If we just took that away, costs would rise.  Contracts about people's pay shouldn't be negotiable by govnerment entities.

                           

                          On principle - I don't want to provide them amnesty but simply taking them out of the equation would be problematic to American consumers.

                          Contracts about people's pay shouldn't be negotiable by govnerment entities.

                          I should've clarified. When I say forced, I didn't mean the Govt. I meant that If somehow the Govt. prevented more illegals from working in those companies, the need for employees would force employers to pay livable wages, even higher than minimum wage.

                          But where my opinion comes in about the Govt. is that after they get rid of illegal workers in those companies, make the employers eat the losses in profits due to higher pay to the American workers since it was the employers who were the calloboraters in this mess. They were the ones who created the enviornment and attraction for the illegals, knowing full well that they wouldn't have to pay the right wages. Why should consumers have to pay higher costs for food because of thei greed? 

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                             also find the fact that you say that they don't benefit us in anyway by working and sending the money back home to be wrong, because the cheap labor they provide is beneficial to the general American's standard of living - but if they didn't send money back home and spent it here, then that would be more beneficial, yes.

                             

                            If the companies were forced to pay the correct wages, more Americans would be able to work and bring home decent pay. The reason the companies pay low wages is because the illegals are willing to work for cheap wages, thus creating a market for it.

                            I always hear people say that the illegals aren't taking jobs away from Americans because Americans wouldn't want to do those kinds of jobs anyways, but what they don't understand is that If the wages were corrected to the standard levels, more Americans would be willing.  It's the employers who are at fault for creating that situation out of greed which is now even harder to get out of because the food prices would go up.

                            I'm sick of hearing that American want do these jobs Well guess what American have done those job for low money are no

                            money at all. We want decent pay for work. It's not cheap to live in American for us that are paying our way. People here

                            creating a market for it by letting ground worker come to TX. parttime. I alway tell my friend when her husband was hiring

                            Illegal he didn't care , because it didn't affect him "Well guess what it did he out of work, and he wants to run everybody back across

                            the border. I can say my husband alway did  hire the people here even when they didn't apprecation him he never found them to

                            be great worker, because they didn't understand direction.

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                              I study Economics to a degree - I don't really think it would be economically beneficial, for the most part.  The cheap labor that some of them provide does allow for a lot more production in America, the problems with our economy are monetary and debt related.  Obviously plenty of economists would disagree with me, but I think the problem is too much government involvement stiffling economic growth, along with no strong backing of our currency.

                               

                              Given a currency backed by commodities being issued by our government, coupled with a competetive currency market and a laizzes-faires system when it comes to the national ecnonomy - with the exception of trust busting - I think our capitalist marketplace would create more than enough jobs, and wealth for everybody.  The illegal immigrants shouldn't be given amnesty for the fact that they broke the law, but we should encourage legal immigration, because that creates growth in a free market.

                               

                              I also don't think it would create as many jobs because lots of employers would just hire less Americans than illegal aliens, who will take a lower wage most of the time.  Prices would rise as a result of kicking out all of the Aliens.  Their would be more American jobs, but most of them would be minimum wage jobs.  I'm not quite convinced the cost of the rise in prices would be worth it for Americans.

                              I agree, the massive spending spree, has all but killed us, printing money, hoarding gold, turtle tunnels, critter crossings, and the study of radioactive squirrel turds is the problem.

                              Legal immigration does help growth, those people have jobs and many own business, all to often lately I have seen a flood of people from all over the world, using foodstamps, My cousin in Arizona says it's a war zone, 

                              How would you weed out the keepers vs. the you got to go's. 

                              we do need more jobs, and Joker is 100 % correct, companies  are to blame, I am part time by design, but many of my co-workers would love to be full-time, my company only allows for Managers to be full time. Many companies are all doin the same thing, making people part time, hurts everyone.

                              Don't ever give up your right to keep and bare arms !

                              Your right to protect yourself is your most precious RIGHT!

                                 
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