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Posted: June 18, 2012, 12:17 am - IP Logged

According to the site I used, there's been 10 all odd draws (first 5 numbers only) and 17 all evens out of 729 draws.

 

One seems much closer to expectation than the other, but variance over 729 draws with a 1/38.2 chance is pretty high.  This is right in line of a normal distribution (OK I admit I didn't actually do the math, but this just doesn't seem outside of expectation, in other words, I didn't raise an eyebrow when I saw that there's only been 10 all odd draws when probability states there "should have" been around 17 or 18, because variance states that it will probably vary greatly until you do thousands and thousands of draws.

I got the same results when I limited my search to the 729 drawings since the last MM matrix change.

Even numbers:
 06/15/12 - 08 12 18 30 40    +04     5+B
 03/13/12 - 02 08 30 36 48    +31     5
 01/10/12 - 04 10 16 38 48    +34     5+B
 09/07/10 - 08 18 22 24 38    +23     5
 08/10/10 - 02 14 26 50 56    +12     5+B
 06/08/10 - 12 18 28 48 54    +06     5+B
 12/25/09 - 04 16 44 52 54    +20     5+B
 09/08/09 - 04 10 18 28 50    +35     5
 03/13/09 - 10 12 26 46 50    +23     5
 11/28/08 - 10 30 44 46 48    +44     5+B
 08/26/08 - 06 16 24 34 36    +30     5+B
 08/31/07 - 08 18 22 40 44    +11     5
 01/30/07 - 14 18 44 52 56    +25     5
 01/12/07 - 12 14 26 40 42    +22     5+B
 10/17/06 - 06 18 20 28 38    +37     5
 08/15/06 - 10 12 22 44 48    +16     5+B
 06/30/06 - 20 40 46 48 54    +27     5

Odd numbers:
 02/03/12 - 07 19 21 49 53    +35     5+B
 12/06/11 - 07 21 29 35 49    +39     5+B
 05/13/11 - 03 33 39 47 51    +09     5+B
 03/08/11 - 03 17 19 41 55    +24     5
 12/22/09 - 03 33 35 39 45    +13     5+B
 10/20/09 - 13 17 25 45 55    +08     5
 02/17/09 - 01 09 23 27 33    +24     5
 06/10/08 - 03 05 15 43 51    +11     5+B
 09/21/07 - 05 21 23 33 45    +43     5+B
 09/29/06 - 03 25 43 45 55    +40     5

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    Gee........ no wonder they make so much money.

    Odds favor a mixture around 95% of the time.

    When I play a large block of lines it is to my advantage to eliminate all even/all odd lines.

    i would play all even or all odd...only if it stands out above everything else...

    all odd and all even come with a certain degree of regularity...as does 4 odd/1 even...

    i would aim for the regular intervals...in a 5/39...sometimes it might be 100 plus draws before a all O/E result...

    although at other times you will have 2 all odd in a span of five games...

    i would look for a coarse flag formation...or something similar...or a reverse flag...

    flag meaning approximately...   24  1  5

    reverse flag meaning   24  5  1   

    so 24 means it was 24 games before all odd occurred...then it occurred again in 1  game...then in five games... 

    odds only give a general idea over time...

    the "overall odds" will never tell with absolute certainty when a flag has formed...or when its imminent

    it is only a guide.


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      Thanks again RJ,

      Please understand that I'm not trying to say that some number combinations have "inherently" better odds. But I do think that from a prediction standpoint some combination groups are more likely to hit, giving them "better odds"

      I'm better at predicting than I am at technology so I was hoping you would be interested in teaming up with me by producing some of these combination groups that we can simulate playing?

      Right now I think we can hit with the all even group over the next 10-15 draws, (call it a crazy hunch) but If I don't have a list of selected combinations it would not even be "a flute" if they hit. lol.

      If you don't want to, thats cool too. We can just as easily watch the next 10-15 draws and see if I called it. Its really all the same to me because I will not have won anything either way. lol. Angry

      Hey ronnie...you stay away from RJ...i found him first...he is my partner!!!No No

       

      Maybe i should have put that in red font?

      Thinking of...


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        EDIT:  There's a line in the Powerball FAQ that states 70-80% of combos played are quick picks and 70-80% of winners are quick picks.  This tells me that all of this effort to try and predict the winning numbers is a huge waste of time.

        This is EX-ACT-LY the kind of negitivism I'm talking about with LL. You and ky come on here with all your "realism" and tell people they are "wasting their time" trying to hit a JP. In realty you are just anti-capitalism, pro-government control. 

        It is possible to predict which number group holds the next JP winning combination, therefore:

         

        SOME NUMBER COMBINATIONS HAVE BETTER ODDS

        What we don't know is when it will happen.

        the flag formation will give a hint "when"


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          Yes, I hit playing 49,140 lines. (50% of the total 98,280) which I explained over and over and even asked people to team up with me, so we could produce all the lines together and post them, but no one was interested.

          Congratulations ronnie...good work!Hurray!

          I guess the next step would be to look at all the odd and all the even draw results and compare it to a Matrix Walk to see what kind of "indicators" were present...Type


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            And another thing, I never said I was "working with a team" what I said was that "I have some friends"

            The ONLY person I ask to "team up" with me is RJ and I never said I thought you were an "expert" at LP.   

            All I wanted was a list of lines 

            Hey!!  What did i say before!!!  Mad

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              I played all odd and all even in the last MM draw. Just did it on a hunch because it had been a while since the last time. Unfortunately, I only got 2 numbers on 1 line. But, every so often, I think it's a good strategy to play. Also, every so often, you will see 5 decades play. I remember a year or so ago, (didn't take the time to look it up), there were 4 MM draws in a row that had 5 decades.

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                Congratulations ronnie...good work!Hurray!

                I guess the next step would be to look at all the odd and all the even draw results and compare it to a Matrix Walk to see what kind of "indicators" were present...Type

                Thanks LottoBoner, the naysayers just cant see past the Haze of "randomness"

                I was thinking that in the really really big picture, these draws may not be random AT ALL and was wondering what one might see in terms of patterns if a computer created a few 100 million "random" 5/56 draws and analysed the characteristics of patterns and repetitions??


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                  I played all odd and all even in the last MM draw. Just did it on a hunch because it had been a while since the last time. Unfortunately, I only got 2 numbers on 1 line. But, every so often, I think it's a good strategy to play. Also, every so often, you will see 5 decades play. I remember a year or so ago, (didn't take the time to look it up), there were 4 MM draws in a row that had 5 decades.

                  Thank rc, a hunch can be just as good or better than predictability.

                  Here is a sample from the 98,280 lines Im playing for the next 10 draws.

                  I had to choose a bonus number, so I chose number 8.

                  7 - 11 - 19 - 31 - 53 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 31 - 55 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 35 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 37 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 39 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 41 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 43 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 45 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 47 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 49 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 51 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 53 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 55 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 37 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 39 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 41 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 43 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 45 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 47 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 49 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 51 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 53 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 55 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 39 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 41 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 43 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 45 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 47 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 49 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 51 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 53 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 55 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 39 - 41 ** 8
                  7 - 11 - 19 - 39 - 43 ** 8


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                    Thanks LottoBoner, the naysayers just cant see past the Haze of "randomness"

                    I was thinking that in the really really big picture, these draws may not be random AT ALL and was wondering what one might see in terms of patterns if a computer created a few 100 million "random" 5/56 draws and analysed the characteristics of patterns and repetitions??

                    in the LMG, there is an interesting paragraph on "improving odds" in random events...

                    Gail says that the chances of getting struck by lightning is quite "random" and the odds are very low..

                    But a person can improve chances of getting struck by swinging a metal golf club, wearing metal cleats, in the middle of a thunderstorm out in an open field with no trees around...

                    i dont know it and cant prove it yet but i have a "hunch" that the flag formation is the only concrete pattern in the randomness...and the pattern can vary in degrees.

                    you dont really believe it until you see it...and to see it you have to measure it...which requires empirical evidence.

                    take the activity of the number 9 in mega millions...it is a clear and relatively pure flag formation...

                    could i have predicted its length or amount of hits?  Not really...is it deviance from odds?  Is it variance? Is it rigged?

                    I will never know...but i do know its quite common.     There are other flag formations...i dont have time to post a chart for tuesdays draws to indicate the best odds, but if you could eliminate half the odd numbers then you might have a fighting chance at really playing...Most variables are random and activity can be measured with a flag formation...as the "random movement evolves" aka brownian motion, results will show the flag formation shifting from one variable to another, to the next, to the next, to the next, in a relatively str8 line. 

                    The skill in predictions is to line up the different flag formations so that the line is obvious and consistent.  I cant say the flag never fails...but once you know what to look for...you have to become a believer...otherwise you can go nuts from worrying what if it fails...once it starts it rarely fails.

                    People obsessed with odds will say that the activity of the nine is akin to increased variance, or covariance or something like that...but in truth thats using just numbers...but in reality the picture is a flag formation...

                    to be clear...

                    take a skip pattern of   15  13  12  16  24  this is the cold period or dormancy... the decrease in variance...but when the shift occurs to a skip patten of   1   5   7   9   3  0  6...this is the flag formation.   Its a not so subtle change.

                    The flag formation skip pattern will show in any group pattern conceivable.

                    A+ shows only the flag formations for individual numbers...

                    to find other flag formations excel can be used...


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                      in the LMG, there is an interesting paragraph on "improving odds" in random events...

                      Gail says that the chances of getting struck by lightning is quite "random" and the odds are very low..

                      But a person can improve chances of getting struck by swinging a metal golf club, wearing metal cleats, in the middle of a thunderstorm out in an open field with no trees around...

                      i dont know it and cant prove it yet but i have a "hunch" that the flag formation is the only concrete pattern in the randomness...and the pattern can vary in degrees.

                      you dont really believe it until you see it...and to see it you have to measure it...which requires empirical evidence.

                      take the activity of the number 9 in mega millions...it is a clear and relatively pure flag formation...

                      could i have predicted its length or amount of hits?  Not really...is it deviance from odds?  Is it variance? Is it rigged?

                      I will never know...but i do know its quite common.     There are other flag formations...i dont have time to post a chart for tuesdays draws to indicate the best odds, but if you could eliminate half the odd numbers then you might have a fighting chance at really playing...Most variables are random and activity can be measured with a flag formation...as the "random movement evolves" aka brownian motion, results will show the flag formation shifting from one variable to another, to the next, to the next, to the next, in a relatively str8 line. 

                      The skill in predictions is to line up the different flag formations so that the line is obvious and consistent.  I cant say the flag never fails...but once you know what to look for...you have to become a believer...otherwise you can go nuts from worrying what if it fails...once it starts it rarely fails.

                      People obsessed with odds will say that the activity of the nine is akin to increased variance, or covariance or something like that...but in truth thats using just numbers...but in reality the picture is a flag formation...

                      to be clear...

                      take a skip pattern of   15  13  12  16  24  this is the cold period or dormancy... the decrease in variance...but when the shift occurs to a skip patten of   1   5   7   9   3  0  6...this is the flag formation.   Its a not so subtle change.

                      The flag formation skip pattern will show in any group pattern conceivable.

                      A+ shows only the flag formations for individual numbers...

                      to find other flag formations excel can be used...

                      Excellent LottoBoner, "I can see clearly now the rain is gone"

                      I can imagine its not so hard to see if your looking. I have a relative who decided to move to Florida. I was at his house one day and he was telling me that people there get stuck by lightning all the time. He said that most of the time it is because they are too stupid to realize that lightning can travel up the a mile and has a "tendency" to shoot out from approaching storm systems..........

                      "Are you getting a mental picture here?? A guy is out mowing his lawn and saying to himself "it looks like (odds are... lol) that I have plenty of time to finish mowing before the storm get here" and then BOOM he is dead. lol. "

                      Then my relitive turns to me and says "lets go in the house" and I say "good idea" lol.

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                        Ok, thank you. In the most broad and "general terms" is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying its the holy grail or that I can hit the JP playing 3168 combinations. I'm talking about play 49,000 lines only because its the smallest, easy to define group I could think of off the top of my head.

                        Here's the thing. The results are WAY too consistent with each groups overall odds "in general terms" to NOT be predictable IN SOME SMALL WAY. I use caps to emphasize that I'm not talking about some miracle system. I'm talking about any tiny, small advantage that could (maybe, possibly) be built on later.

                        In the example of all even numbers that RJ posted for me to see. Notice that the odds as a group (98,280 lines) are 2.6% overall. Also notice the consistency of the results of 41 times out of 1572 draws, which equal 2.6081%

                        That is consistant down to I/100th of a percent.

                        But of course, I'm sure it will just be a "fluke" if I hit 5 out of 5 in the next few weeks?

                        "In the example of all even numbers that RJ posted for me to see. Notice that the odds as a group (98,280 lines) are 2.6% overall. Also notice the consistency of the results of 41 times out of 1572 draws, which equal 2.6081%"

                        Any group of 28 numbers has a 2.6% percent chance of matching all five numbers, but you're just taking about a unique easily identifiable group that matched the probability. Since there are many other 28 number groups that may double, triple or even quadruple the probability, you have made a case that "some number combinations do have better odds".

                        The problem with playing a full 28 number wheel (excluding logistics) is a player must average matching all five numbers about once in every three drawings to show a small profit. So even if a group quadrupled the probabilities (10.4%), it would still be well short of the 33.3% necessary to show a profit.

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                          Thank rc, a hunch can be just as good or better than predictability.

                          Here is a sample from the 98,280 lines Im playing for the next 10 draws.

                          I had to choose a bonus number, so I chose number 8.

                          7 - 11 - 19 - 31 - 53 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 31 - 55 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 35 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 37 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 39 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 41 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 43 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 45 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 47 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 49 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 51 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 53 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 33 - 55 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 37 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 39 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 41 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 43 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 45 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 47 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 49 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 51 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 53 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 35 - 55 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 39 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 41 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 43 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 45 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 47 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 49 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 51 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 53 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 37 - 55 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 39 - 41 ** 8
                          7 - 11 - 19 - 39 - 43 ** 8

                          98280*10 lines at 1 USD combination?
                          Are you a billionair?


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                            "In the example of all even numbers that RJ posted for me to see. Notice that the odds as a group (98,280 lines) are 2.6% overall. Also notice the consistency of the results of 41 times out of 1572 draws, which equal 2.6081%"

                            Any group of 28 numbers has a 2.6% percent chance of matching all five numbers, but you're just taking about a unique easily identifiable group that matched the probability. Since there are many other 28 number groups that may double, triple or even quadruple the probability, you have made a case that "some number combinations do have better odds".

                            The problem with playing a full 28 number wheel (excluding logistics) is a player must average matching all five numbers about once in every three drawings to show a small profit. So even if a group quadrupled the probabilities (10.4%), it would still be well short of the 33.3% necessary to show a profit.

                            All excellent points Stack, but the objective as I have stared before is to hit a JP.

                            As great as "turning a profit" sounds like, not even I am crazy enough to attempt "turning a profit" by playing the lottery. lol. Trust me if I thought there was a way I would try it. The point is a person only has to win the JP once  to turn a profit.

                            In my lines I'm playing now, if I can overcome the 1 in 38 odds against me I am now hoping I will also overcome the 1 in 46 odds against me, and hit on the number 8 mega ball.


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                              98280*10 lines at 1 USD combination?
                              Are you a billionair?

                              Ahhhhhh hello, the filthy, dirty, nasty 1%'ers here in America who make $200k per year have a $15,000+ per month income...................................................

                              10 of us putting in $1500. per month can play these lines almost twice per year.

                              AND, not even be outside our "entertainment budget" lol. lol. lol.

                               

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