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Posted: June 18, 2012, 5:03 pm - IP Logged

"In the example of all even numbers that RJ posted for me to see. Notice that the odds as a group (98,280 lines) are 2.6% overall. Also notice the consistency of the results of 41 times out of 1572 draws, which equal 2.6081%"

Any group of 28 numbers has a 2.6% percent chance of matching all five numbers, but you're just taking about a unique easily identifiable group that matched the probability. Since there are many other 28 number groups that may double, triple or even quadruple the probability, you have made a case that "some number combinations do have better odds".

The problem with playing a full 28 number wheel (excluding logistics) is a player must average matching all five numbers about once in every three drawings to show a small profit. So even if a group quadrupled the probabilities (10.4%), it would still be well short of the 33.3% necessary to show a profit.

Thanks Stack,

Can you give me an example of a higher probability, group of 28?

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    Truth be known, lotteries are, in fact, designed purposely hard and to really make the states money. They market these games and all that money purely on people's dreams and their hopes of winning it. That's it. The games aren't rigged in any shape, form, or fashion. The only problem here is people's misconception of these games and the odds contained therein. You're not dealing with Pick 3 where it's very, very easy to win just by playing one or two complete combinations that are reasonably filtered...and play 'em consistently. You have to hit within a couple of draws or so with only 0-9 as the parameters.

    With PB and MM's, people, we're dealing with approximately (50) numbers to chose only (1) from in each position. Think about this for just a minute, okay: a maximum of only (10) to choose from in Pick 3/4 versus (59) with PB. You simply cannot combine enough to have a chance, with a system, in either PB or MM's. It's not the payout that makes it easier to win, it's the amount of numbers involved. It has actually been proven that if a person was to save the money they spend on jackpot games for only (3) months, they'd come out with more than they could even think of winning in an entire year...unless they hit 4+0, or 3+1 twice.

    Hey, a dollar and dream is what it is and people do get lucky even with (5) numbers. This will happen way more than matching all (6). When I do play, I look for (4) and hope for (5)...even when it was a lower payout. Each past drawing, no matter how many tickets are sold during the last draw, is completely independent of the next. This means that just because the jackpot has risen to $.5 billion dollars without a winner, the next draw is still the same, in terms of odds, and isn't promised to produce a winner... i.e. no stipulations on how many or which combinations sold on the last draw, for the next one, at all. It starts over again.

    Now, if one billion tickets are sold BETWEEN THE LAST, and, UP TO THE VERY NEXT PENDING DRAW, the chances of a winner(s) are pretty good due to the amount of combinations sold for THAT PARTICULAR UPCOMING DRAW as so many combinations have been sold. In this case, several (5) number winners are pretty much guaranteed. I hope this makes some sense. There's (1) number between winning $1 million or $20+ million...and (1) number between $10K and $100. The deciding factor is always (1) number for the real money here.

     

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      How to win the lottery by not playing=Save your money.

      Thrifty is absolutely correct,

      Anyone who saves $200. per month will have $12,000. cash in 5 years.


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        Thrifty is absolutely correct,

        Anyone who saves $200. per month will have $12,000. cash in 5 years.

        But please, make absolutely certain you take that $12,000, and blow it all in one draw, with THIFTY'S shotgun approach to losing the lottery.  Banana


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          But please, make absolutely certain you take that $12,000, and blow it all in one draw, with THIFTY'S shotgun approach to losing the lottery.  Banana

          YES, by all means. That's part "B" of the savings plan.    Sad Cheers   Cheers   Patriot

           

                                           

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            Thanks Stack,

            Can you give me an example of a higher probability, group of 28?

            Simply choosing the top 20 most popular combinations of two's will do that which includes these 28 numbers:
            02 03 04 05 07 08 09 10 12 14 16 17 18 20 22 24 26 27 29 31 34 36 38 43 48 50 51 53


            2024 = 12
            0312 = 11
            0910 = 11
            0951 = 11
            1443 = 11
            1450 = 11
            1629 = 11
            2248 = 11
            2451 = 11
            3136 = 11
            5153 = 11
            0204 = 10
            0217 = 10
            0236 = 10
            0251 = 10
            0526 = 10
            0534 = 10
            0538 = 10
            0727 = 10
            0818 = 10
            0934 = 10
            0943 = 10
            0948 = 10
            1121 = 10
            1435 = 10
            1456 = 10
            1728 = 10
            2252 = 10
            2431 = 10
            2444 = 10
            2548 = 10
            2731 = 10
            2745 = 10
            2932 = 10
            3552 = 10
            3940 = 10
            4344 = 10
            5355 = 10

             06/12/12 - 02 09 17 34 50    +45     5
             02/14/12 - 03 05 10 26 27    +27     5+B
             02/10/12 - 03 04 18 29 50    +20     5+B
             01/10/12 - 04 10 16 38 48    +34     5+B
             12/23/11 - 03 05 08 18 29    +14     5+B
             11/11/11 - 02 16 22 29 50    +27     5+B
             06/14/11 - 09 10 20 51 53    +24     5+B
             09/17/10 - 03 04 14 18 27    +13     5
             09/07/10 - 08 18 22 24 38    +23     5
             07/27/10 - 02 07 10 16 29    +08     5+B
             05/07/10 - 02 07 20 34 50    +40     5
             04/16/10 - 10 16 31 48 50    +44     5
             02/09/10 - 02 17 20 26 48    +12     5+B
             01/08/10 - 18 20 31 36 43    +33     5
             06/23/09 - 12 14 16 31 50    +09     5+B
             05/15/09 - 07 12 24 36 48    +27     5+B
             05/12/09 - 04 08 10 14 51    +31     5+B
             06/24/08 - 10 22 36 50 53    +39     5
             10/26/07 - 12 20 24 38 51    +03     5+B
             08/14/07 - 05 08 09 24 34    +17     5+B
             01/02/07 - 09 10 38 51 53    +01     5
             09/22/06 - 07 12 17 22 43    +16     5+B
             08/22/06 - 03 04 05 07 36    +16     5+B
             06/02/06 - 03 10 18 36 38    +41     5
             02/24/06 - 03 05 12 16 34    +27     5+B
             01/27/06 - 02 07 08 18 29    +46     5
             11/11/05 - 09 14 34 50 51    +40     5
             08/05/05 - 03 05 48 50 53    +04     5+B

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              Posted: June 19, 2012, 12:42 pm - IP Logged

              Simply choosing the top 20 most popular combinations of two's will do that which includes these 28 numbers:
              02 03 04 05 07 08 09 10 12 14 16 17 18 20 22 24 26 27 29 31 34 36 38 43 48 50 51 53


              2024 = 12
              0312 = 11
              0910 = 11
              0951 = 11
              1443 = 11
              1450 = 11
              1629 = 11
              2248 = 11
              2451 = 11
              3136 = 11
              5153 = 11
              0204 = 10
              0217 = 10
              0236 = 10
              0251 = 10
              0526 = 10
              0534 = 10
              0538 = 10
              0727 = 10
              0818 = 10
              0934 = 10
              0943 = 10
              0948 = 10
              1121 = 10
              1435 = 10
              1456 = 10
              1728 = 10
              2252 = 10
              2431 = 10
              2444 = 10
              2548 = 10
              2731 = 10
              2745 = 10
              2932 = 10
              3552 = 10
              3940 = 10
              4344 = 10
              5355 = 10

               06/12/12 - 02 09 17 34 50    +45     5
               02/14/12 - 03 05 10 26 27    +27     5+B
               02/10/12 - 03 04 18 29 50    +20     5+B
               01/10/12 - 04 10 16 38 48    +34     5+B
               12/23/11 - 03 05 08 18 29    +14     5+B
               11/11/11 - 02 16 22 29 50    +27     5+B
               06/14/11 - 09 10 20 51 53    +24     5+B
               09/17/10 - 03 04 14 18 27    +13     5
               09/07/10 - 08 18 22 24 38    +23     5
               07/27/10 - 02 07 10 16 29    +08     5+B
               05/07/10 - 02 07 20 34 50    +40     5
               04/16/10 - 10 16 31 48 50    +44     5
               02/09/10 - 02 17 20 26 48    +12     5+B
               01/08/10 - 18 20 31 36 43    +33     5
               06/23/09 - 12 14 16 31 50    +09     5+B
               05/15/09 - 07 12 24 36 48    +27     5+B
               05/12/09 - 04 08 10 14 51    +31     5+B
               06/24/08 - 10 22 36 50 53    +39     5
               10/26/07 - 12 20 24 38 51    +03     5+B
               08/14/07 - 05 08 09 24 34    +17     5+B
               01/02/07 - 09 10 38 51 53    +01     5
               09/22/06 - 07 12 17 22 43    +16     5+B
               08/22/06 - 03 04 05 07 36    +16     5+B
               06/02/06 - 03 10 18 36 38    +41     5
               02/24/06 - 03 05 12 16 34    +27     5+B
               01/27/06 - 02 07 08 18 29    +46     5
               11/11/05 - 09 14 34 50 51    +40     5
               08/05/05 - 03 05 48 50 53    +04     5+B

              Awsome RJ,

              I'm going to put these numbers in the generator right now and play them against all of the 28 odd numbers for the next 10 draws and see which group wins. I will use the bonus ball 8 for both groups. ( btw, the only number missing from my "regulars" is ........   28 )

              Here is a sample of the lines.

              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 24 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 26 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 27 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 29 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 31 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 34 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 36 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 38 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 43 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 48 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 50 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 51 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 22 - 53 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 26 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 27 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 29 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 31 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 34 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 36 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 38 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 43 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 48 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 50 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 51 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 24 - 53 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 27 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 29 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 31 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 34 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 36 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 38 ** 8
              5 - 9 - 20 - 26 - 43 ** 8

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                Just remember that there is possibility and then there is probabilty.

                If you only use posibilities for predicting your numbers, you are in are basically trying to hit a target while blindfolded in the dark.

                Pareto analsys isn't all it's cracked up to be when it comes to the lottery.

                But, that's just my opinion.

                You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

                Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.


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                  Just remember that there is possibility and then there is probabilty.

                  If you only use posibilities for predicting your numbers, you are in are basically trying to hit a target while blindfolded in the dark.

                  Pareto analsys isn't all it's cracked up to be when it comes to the lottery.

                  But, that's just my opinion.

                  Glad you mentioned that J,

                  feel free to post your "28 numbers with better odds" so we can see how yours stack up.

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                    Posted: June 20, 2012, 11:43 am - IP Logged

                    Thanks Stack,

                    Can you give me an example of a higher probability, group of 28?

                    In the last 8 MM drawings because some of the numbers hit multiple times, a group of 28 numbers produced 8 straight 5 + 0 hits. One of the numbers 2, 9, 40, and 53 were in every drawing. The probability is each number should be drawn once out of every 12 drawings but since 23 numbers weren't drawn in the last 10 drawings, at the least 13 numbers will not be drawn in a 12 drawing cycle. There were 34 different numbers drawn in the last 12 drawings. It's cause and effect because if some of the numbers are drawn multiple times in a 12 drawing cycle, other numbers can't be drawn. 

                    RJ probably gave you the easiest way to create a group of 28 numbers that should better the 2.6% probability.

                    Another distinct 28 number group was drawn on June 5 when all five numbers were high.


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                      The results are in. We are looking for "number combinations with better odds"

                      Ronnie316                           4+0

                      RJOH                                2+0

                      The winning combination was on line 69,123

                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 43 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 45 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 47 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 49 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 51 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 53 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 29 - 55 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 31 - 33 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 31 - 35 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 31 - 37 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 31 - 39 ** 8
                      11 - 21 - 27 - 31 - 41 ** 8


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                        Posted: June 20, 2012, 12:21 pm - IP Logged

                        The winning 4+0 line occurred some 24 times.

                        The first of which was on line 9463 with the combination of 1-11-21-27-53.


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                          Posted: June 20, 2012, 3:17 pm - IP Logged

                          Feel free to chose a different bonus ball RJ,

                          I just threw the 8 in there because its the universal number for wealth.

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                            Feel free to chose a different bonus ball RJ,

                            I just threw the 8 in there because its the universal number for wealth.

                            I played the 10 lines I posted on the prediction board last night and had "11" for one the bonus numbers so I'm getting back $2 of the $10 I spent.   I'll be spending it on Ohio Classic Lotto when I play the ten lines I just posted later today.

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                              I played the 10 lines I posted on the prediction board last night and had "11" for one the bonus numbers so I'm getting back $2 of the $10 I spent.   I'll be spending it on Ohio Classic Lotto when I play the ten lines I just posted later today.

                              Cool-dilly-bodaciousness,

                              My 10 "regular" QP lines had an 11 bonus ball on one of the lines with 2 regular balls, so Im celebrating a BIG $10. win over here and making plans for a party.

                                                                                                                                                                             

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