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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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While I think that you should reconsider your position that certain groups are better or worse than others (in terms of odds) I'd offern one piece of advice, and also have one point I'd like to raise in curiosity.

 

Advice - When choosing numbers to play, the only thing that can help raise your Expected Value is to pick number combinations that other people are less likely to pick themselves, thus lowering the odds of you sharing the jackpot (note that 80% of tickets sold are QPs, so sales still affect your odds of sharing a winning JP, while a disporpotionate amount of people pick lower numbers from birthdays and the like when they choose their own combos.)  So rather than playing all evens, I'd suggest playing all highs.

 

Curiosity - How do you plan on filling out, and playing all of those combinations, assuming you actually play 46000 lines at once?  Would you call the Lottery office and arrange for it?  Or would you fill out 46000 lines on playslips by hand?  And what about human error?  This seems like a difficult task in and of itself.

 

Anyway, while I would never play that much, I wish you good luck!

I suppose from a technical standpoint any 50% of the numbers would have the same chances as any other 50% of the numbers so for the sake of argument lets just say I'm following a "hunch". Sharing (or not) is not a consideration.

Its my understanding they do not accept mechanically produced slips, so they would have to be filled out manually one at a time.

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    If it's more fun for you to follow a hunch, then go for it, I guess.

     

    The reason I gave the advice is that if you are about to plunk down that much money, the few percent extra Expected Value is worth 100s or 1000s of dollars from a theoretical perspective.  Of course, you are either going to win or lose, but if you want what would be best in the long term, the only mathemetical way to go about it is by trying your hardest not to share the jackpot.

     

    If it's a dollar, then go with the hunch, it'll only theoretically cost you a few cents in EV.  With that much money, I'd try to maximize EV.

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      I'm going to play 46,000 lines of all even numbers. It will give me a 50/50 chance of hitting 5 out of 5 provided I'm playing the draw that comes up all even numbers. I will be using Thrifty's shotgun method of pooling 3 months $$$ and playing 1 draw.

      For a pool of 10 people it will only cost $1500. each month per person. (my friends can afford it and believe I can pick the draw)

      If we like the results we will repeat.

      I do need help getting the combinations on paper so I can fill out the play slips. It will be a little over 3 cases of paper, and I'm going to walk into my State Lottery office and tell them I'm playing Thrifty's Shotgun Method and ask them to print all the tickets.

      Because they only accept cash, I will need 460 $100 dollar bills. (it will fit in 9 cash envelopes from the bank, and I will carry it in my back pocket) Bringing in the play slips will be a lot more work than bringing in the cash. lol.

      I do need help getting the combinations on paper so I can fill out the play slips. It will be a little over 3 cases of paper,

      You can save your friends and yourself some money by using a laptop to printout those combinations and doing the play slips from the screen.  You not only save paper but a couple of trees in the process.  Add a ticket printing program and you could also save yourself the work of filling out all those play slips too.

      I know most lottery say they do not accept mechanically printed play slips but once their terminal read them, if you are satisfied with results, they will accept payment for the tickets.

      Now that you have all this information on a computer, you might want to run some of the past winning numbers to see how you would have done in the past had you bought all 46000 lines.  Good luck!

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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          Lurking

          I'll join youLurking...I also have some Jack 'n Coke.

           

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            I do need help getting the combinations on paper so I can fill out the play slips. It will be a little over 3 cases of paper,

            You can save your friends and yourself some money by using a laptop to printout those combinations and doing the play slips from the screen.  You not only save paper but a couple of trees in the process.  Add a ticket printing program and you could also save yourself the work of filling out all those play slips too.

            I know most lottery say they do not accept mechanically printed play slips but once their terminal read them, if you are satisfied with results, they will accept payment for the tickets.

            Now that you have all this information on a computer, you might want to run some of the past winning numbers to see how you would have done in the past had you bought all 46000 lines.  Good luck!

            Wait...... I have this information on my computer??

            If I cant produce the lines here at LP, where do i produce them??

            I want 5/28 lines @ a frequency of 2, using all even numbers 2-56. (49,140 lines)


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              I want 5/28 lines @ a frequency of 2, using all even numbers 2-56. (49,140 lines)

              I was hoping to use these combinations in tonight's draw.

              Can anyone help me produce these lines on my computer?


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                If it's more fun for you to follow a hunch, then go for it, I guess.

                 

                The reason I gave the advice is that if you are about to plunk down that much money, the few percent extra Expected Value is worth 100s or 1000s of dollars from a theoretical perspective.  Of course, you are either going to win or lose, but if you want what would be best in the long term, the only mathemetical way to go about it is by trying your hardest not to share the jackpot.

                 

                If it's a dollar, then go with the hunch, it'll only theoretically cost you a few cents in EV.  With that much money, I'd try to maximize EV.

                All I'm talking about is hitting a JP. It doesn't matter to me if its $10 million or $650 million.

                The idea of "raising expected value" sounds completely INSANE  to me.     Scared

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                  I want 5/28 lines @ a frequency of 2, using all even numbers 2-56. (49,140 lines)

                  I was hoping to use these combinations in tonight's draw.

                  Can anyone help me produce these lines on my computer?

                  LP has a combination generator that will print out all 98,280 lines of a 5/28 wheel to your computer in no time.  You can then use a program like Note Pad with find and replace to swap all the numbers for even numbers.  But I suspect if you were really interested in doing that you would have done it already.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    LP has a combination generator that will print out all 98,280 lines of a 5/28 wheel to your computer in no time.  You can then use a program like Note Pad with find and replace to swap all the numbers for even numbers.  But I suspect if you were really interested in doing that you would have done it already.

                    I suspect if you were really interested in doing that you would have done it already.

                    I understand your suspicions RJ, but I really I'm just trying to figure this out. I'm not a computer programmer or a left wing university student. lol.

                    I was just looking at the gold membership and trying to figure out if the Filtering or Key wheel will allow me to wheel only the 28 even numbers. I like the "frequency" option on the Combination Generator, but I don't know if that is available on the filters and key wheels?

                    For me to do as you suggested above I would need to produce a 5/56 full wheel and then work on eliminating all odd numbers which seems like the hard way if all I need do is get a Gold membership???


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                      LP has a combination generator that will print out all 98,280 lines of a 5/28 wheel to your computer in no time.  You can then use a program like Note Pad with find and replace to swap all the numbers for even numbers.  But I suspect if you were really interested in doing that you would have done it already.

                      use a program like Note Pad with find and replace to swap all the numbers for even numbers

                      Easy for you to say.

                      I was hoping I could get it done here at LP.

                      The combination generator will only produce 5/28 numbers 1-28, NOT 2-56 (EVEN NUMBERS ONLY)

                      It will produce all 5/56 combinatios but it wont filter out all odds.

                      The Full Wheel option will only wheel UP TO 16 numbers and I want to wheel 28.


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                        use a program like Note Pad with find and replace to swap all the numbers for even numbers

                        Easy for you to say.

                        I was hoping I could get it done here at LP.

                        The combination generator will only produce 5/28 numbers 1-28, NOT 2-56 (EVEN NUMBERS ONLY)

                        It will produce all 5/56 combinatios but it wont filter out all odds.

                        The Full Wheel option will only wheel UP TO 16 numbers and I want to wheel 28.

                        Hey Ronnie did you just go Gold? Congrats!  Star


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                          Hey Ronnie did you just go Gold? Congrats!  Star

                          Thanks,

                          I will post my numbers on a blog when I get them printed.

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                            Ronnie, with all due respect to your wishes and drive, why are you doing this? I mean, really? I just wanna know where your mind is and just how serious you are. No harm intended.

                             

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                              No problem,

                              I want to post the 49,140 lines on the blog and see how they do for about 10-12 draws. I don't see any harm in that?? I'm not sure if I can actually post that many lines, but once I get them on my computer I can either post them or outline what they are.

                              The objective is to at least TRY to hit to a JP.

                              It is hard for me to believe that there are so many people on here that either DONT WANT (anti-capitalists) to hit a JP or are soooooo negative about the possibility of hitting one..........

                              If med can play 175,000 lines and give up, it seems 49,140 would be small in comparison.

                              Besides Ive got "Thriftys positive energy flow system" working for me and I plan on giving him some credit when I start hitting JPs and of course LP for making it possible. lol.

                                 
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