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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Wow! Somebody is feeling frisky.Jester Laugh

Thanks LottoBoner, as promised I went down to the P.E.F. device in desperate need of relief from N.E.F.


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           Dance


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      Sorry Adobea78,

      For once, Ronnie316 may have gotten someting PARTLY correct.  I did not claim that studying a scaled down Lotto game would lead to better odds of winning.  What I DID say is that a scaled down Lotto model would provide Ronnie316 with an opportunity to prove that his selection ideas would do that.  From what you've posted here I suspect you would at least agree with that.  Thus far, Ronnie has elected not to take advantage of the demonstration opportunities that a simple (5,2) Lotto provides him with.

      Regardless of whether you are working with a Lotto game of 56, 49, 34, or 5 Balls, when you make your selections from a subset of the field, whatever new probabilites you calculate MUST be multipled by the probability that you selected one of the correct subsets, which is always LESS THAN 1.0!

      BTW, if you want to vew the context of my use of the word "buffoon" and what lead up to my use of it, you could start with my first post in this thread.  I don't think it's a good use of your time, but here it is...

      https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/247020/2833733

      --Jimmy4164

      always  LESS THAN 1.0!

      Always?? Really??


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        Jimmy says some of the dumbest things. I like his enthusiasm though..........


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          You could try a 4/8 game but that would take us back to a coin flip situation...... 

          Which I think is your ultimate goal anyway............

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            RJOh was most helpful in posting past results that show the last 35 drawn numbers hit 5 of 5 about 10% of the time. It was interesting to me that "cold streaks" can run about 20 draws at a time and can be "timed"

            Stack is right on the money about hitting 5 of 5 consistently enough to "break even" in hopes of hitting a jackpot along the way..;.......

            Was that more than 2 sentences????...... precluding me fron proof reading?????

            That's right,

               Thanks

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              GMG

               

              I agree, nicely said.  Talking about odds does not add anything to the game nor take away from it.

              I would rather hear what someone is doing or some information that might help me in my next game

              rather it's mathematically sound sound or not.   With odds of 175+ million to one I don't expect any

              one to have a "works every time" solution.    It seems to me that some are scared $hitless by the 

              prospect that we might win using our feeble minds. 

               

              RL

              "It seems to me that some are scared $hitless by the prospect that we might win using our feeble minds."

              Who are they?  There are going to be winners regardless of this thread, it can't be avoided.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: January 14, 2013, 4:01 pm - IP Logged

                always  LESS THAN 1.0!

                Always?? Really??

                Yes, always.

                 

                1.0 = 100%.  The odds of you picking the right subset of numbers is never 100%.

                 

                You can call him dumb, but all you're showing is that you don't know the fundementals of mathemtics.  In probability you can express percentages as numbers, where .5 is 50% and 1.0 is 100%.  So 50% of 10 dollars is .5*$10=$5.

                 

                Or did you not know that you could express percentages as a number?  LOL.  And you guys accuse me of not knowing 5th grade math.  This is literally elementary school math.  Forgive me if I don't remember whether it's 4rth or 5th grade.

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                  You could try a 4/8 game but that would take us back to a coin flip situation...... 

                  Which I think is your ultimate goal anyway............

                  A 4/8 game is not a coinflip, bro.  It's 1 in 70.

                   

                  8*7*6*5/24 orders.  That's 1 in 70.  No wonder you think creating subsets increases your odds.

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                    A 4/8 game is not a coinflip, bro.  It's 1 in 70.

                     

                    8*7*6*5/24 orders.  That's 1 in 70.  No wonder you think creating subsets increases your odds.

                    I think he was saying 4/8 is the same as 1/2 which are the odds of a coin flip.

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                      Posted: January 14, 2013, 4:26 pm - IP Logged

                      He was obviously refering to a 4 out of 8 game, in reference to Jimmy's 2/10 game.

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                        He was obviously refering to a 4 out of 8 game, in reference to Jimmy's 2/10 game.

                        4/8 and 2/10 games aren't even close as one has 70 possible outcomes and the other only 45.

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                          I know, but he was obviously comparing them to try to say that the validity of the idea is ridiculous.  (I diagree with that, but that's not the point.)

                           

                          He was comparing them, but clearly doesn't understand the math behind them.


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                            GMG

                             

                            I agree, nicely said.  Talking about odds does not add anything to the game nor take away from it.

                            I would rather hear what someone is doing or some information that might help me in my next game

                            rather it's mathematically sound sound or not.   With odds of 175+ million to one I don't expect any

                            one to have a "works every time" solution.    It seems to me that some are scared $hitless by the 

                            prospect that we might win using our feeble minds. 

                             

                            RL

                            Although your almost snippable hyperbole is an overstatement, there is concern that a big win by someone using one of your glorified Random Number Generators will serve the sad purpose of pushing our country further behind many other nations in math and science because it will convince even more Americans that the Gambler's Fallacy is not really a fallacy and/or that probability theory is not to be trusted.

                            --Jimmy4164

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                              Although your almost snippable hyperbole is an overstatement, there is concern that a big win by someone using one of your glorified Random Number Generators will serve the sad purpose of pushing our country further behind many other nations in math and science because it will convince even more Americans that the Gambler's Fallacy is not really a fallacy and/or that probability theory is not to be trusted.

                              --Jimmy4164

                              You don't have to worry about many players using RL's glorified RNG, just the players in his pool use it.  He's no longer posting information about it for the general public to read.

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