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Posted: August 9, 2012, 9:47 pm - IP Logged

They were not self pick winners which proved my point.

I don't recall anyone saying "the majority of the tickets sold were self picks" so there is no point to prove.

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    Excellent point Stack47, don't let Thriftys child like demeanor bother you. The reason they sell so many QPs is because that's what they advertise that people should buy. If you go to any of there sites for info on how to play the FIRST thing they say is "buy some QPs" and that's one very big reason to believe that THATS HOW THEY MAKE THE MOST MONEY.

    LottoBoner talks about this all the time and he is correctamundo........

    Ticket sales increased by 21% for Wednesday's drawing and the majority of the extra tickets sold were probably by people that found out the size of the jackpot at a store counter. And I'm pretty sure those players all bought QPs.  The total includes many of the self pick players that play regardless of the jackpot who bought a QP when they noticed the jackpot.

    I picture Thrifty spending lots of time contemplating if they should buy a ticket and then seeing their hands shaking while handing $2 to a clerk.

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      Buying quick pick tickets increases your chances of winning regardless of how many tickets you buy, because the lottery computer that generate your tickets knows the winning combination. 

      Now you're going to have to do more than talk the most to make anyone believe that.  How do you explain the MM jackpot exceeding $640 in April and a couple of computer programmers and a multi-millionaire having two of the three winning tickets?

      When someone says "the lottery computer that generate your tickets knows the winning combination" without any evidence, asking for an explanation is useless. After a couple more rolls and people start lining up to buy tickets, why should MUSL care in which state, in which store, or who buys the winning ticket.

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        Your playing methods are not working. It is time to quit.

        Huh? So you try to prove you have no idea what you are talking about?

        Plain fact 4 correct numbers odds 1 in 6.66 draws. That means I would normally achieve 2 4-hits in 13 draws on average. Right now I have participation in 3 draws and reached that odds limit at 1/4 waiting time, you can be sure there will be several more 4-hits when I reach that 13 draws limit and possibly a 5-hit or more too in there. Actually we do perform above odds so my method does work for this part. Not sure what sort of thinking of yours produced that comment.


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          You will not see Hedge funds spending that much money to win $250K, after they saw The 3 Asset Managers from Connecticut winning a $254M Powerball Jackpot with $1 Quick Pick Ticket.

          Agree with stupid


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            Huh? So you try to prove you have no idea what you are talking about?

            Plain fact 4 correct numbers odds 1 in 6.66 draws. That means I would normally achieve 2 4-hits in 13 draws on average. Right now I have participation in 3 draws and reached that odds limit at 1/4 waiting time, you can be sure there will be several more 4-hits when I reach that 13 draws limit and possibly a 5-hit or more too in there. Actually we do perform above odds so my method does work for this part. Not sure what sort of thinking of yours produced that comment.

            None of us are sure "what sort of thinking" Thrifty uses, but he gave us P.E.F. and for that we love him and admire him as one of the greatest LP members of all time.

            THRIFTY IS THE MAN.


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              None of us are sure "what sort of thinking" Thrifty uses, but he gave us P.E.F. and for that we love him and admire him as one of the greatest LP members of all time.

              THRIFTY IS THE MAN.

              Perhaps we can now refer to him as the "assistant bottle washer"  Cheers

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                I follow your thinking Stack47, and I agree with you. However there is no way to come up with a subgroup having 5 of 5 from a group that dosnt contain 5 of 5 to start with.

                The best I can consistently give you 5 of 5 in, would be 41 and maybe push to 39.

                If you can somehow condense the larger groups and still hit 5 of 5, its worth a try. 

                We need combos with at least one of each of the 28 numbers, but by using the full wheel, 33,469 of those combos won't match even one number. By using a subgroup, we could eliminate several of those useless combos and still use all 28 numbers.

                The 15 number subgroup could be 15 numbers that are more likely because of a statistical reason to match 2, 3, or more numbers. Just by concluding any 2 of those 15 numbers will be drawn reduces the number of combos by 12.22%. By using any 3 of those 15 numbers reduces the number of combos to 56,238.

                It doesn't have be a 15 number subgroup because it could be more or less numbers. A 20 number subgroup with a minimum of matching four numbers reduces the combos to 54,264.

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                  Try some reality; have any ideas for finding a group of 28 numbers that match all five numbers in 10% of the drawings?

                  That's tougher than it sounds.  Since MM has 744 drawing since its last matrix change you'll need to find 28 numbers that have matched five 75 times since that change.  Taking the top 28 numbers only get you 42.

                  02 04 05 09 10 12 13 14 16 17 20 21 24 25 27 29 31 35 36 38 39 45 46 48 50 51 52 53

                  08/03/12 - 02 10 13 38 46 +02
                  07/24/12 - 05 09 38 46 51 +05
                  06/01/12 - 02 27 38 46 52 +45
                  05/01/12 - 24 27 31 45 52 +38
                  01/10/12 - 04 10 16 38 48 +34
                  12/30/11 - 04 24 45 46 52 +01
                  12/20/11 - 20 24 27 45 51 +31
                  07/19/11 - 02 09 10 16 35 +40
                  06/14/11 - 09 10 20 51 53 +24
                  04/01/11 - 13 14 35 36 53 +19
                  01/21/11 - 05 09 21 35 38 +20
                  01/18/11 - 04 27 29 38 45 +05
                  10/15/10 - 09 10 13 31 50 +10
                  09/28/10 - 02 10 13 36 38 +18
                  08/20/10 - 04 13 20 29 48 +36
                  06/15/10 - 04 12 13 21 27 +46
                  04/16/10 - 10 16 31 48 50 +44
                  02/05/10 - 10 20 45 51 53 +41

                  12/29/09 - 02 05 29 35 51 +03
                  09/29/09 - 02 21 25 45 50 +21
                  07/28/09 - 04 17 24 25 48 +34
                  07/14/09 - 20 29 35 45 53 +41
                  07/07/09 - 25 27 35 38 39 +28
                  06/23/09 - 12 14 16 31 50 +09
                  06/19/09 - 04 09 12 16 46 +44
                  04/07/09 - 02 04 13 17 36 +15
                  01/16/09 - 02 04 21 39 51 +29
                  09/16/08 - 13 24 39 51 52 +44
                  07/11/08 - 05 14 16 39 51 +34
                  04/15/08 - 12 13 27 48 50 +30
                  10/26/07 - 12 20 24 38 51 +03
                  09/11/07 - 09 10 17 21 35 +06

                  08/24/07 - 04 21 46 51 53 +05
                  06/26/07 - 04 10 20 29 45 +21
                  02/06/07 - 16 21 35 36 46 +38
                  01/02/07 - 09 10 38 51 53 +01
                  11/14/06 - 09 20 24 25 36 +23
                  08/18/06 - 05 12 13 46 50 +10
                  06/06/06 - 05 29 35 52 53 +09
                  03/03/06 - 25 29 38 39 46 +04
                  02/28/06 - 02 04 35 36 48 +22
                  07/15/05 - 09 13 25 36 48 +02

                  Those are the top 28 numbers are after 744 drawings but I'll bet the top 28 numbers after 544 drawings were different. Some of the numbers in the bottom 28 number list after 200 drawings might be the most frequently drawn number in the next 200 drawings. To get a 10% ratio, the numbers used would have to change often and without a specific way to change the numbers, we can't check the results. When I found that 28 number group that matched all five numbers in 8 consecutive drawings, if four of those numbers were excluded and replaced with four other numbers, there were no five number matches.

                  "That's tougher than it sounds."

                  I agree and probably an interesting project for a MIT math class.

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                    O.k.  Ronnie316

                      It's just an idea     but lets call this:.....

                    The Power of 18

                          Counting backwards from the current draw   18 draws

                        youll see                                  Fri. June 8 2012    4-  9-  34-  40-  48

                          the next 18 back from that   Fri. April 6 2012      2-  19-  20-  24-  33     

                         the next 18 back from that   Fri. Feb 3    2012      7-  19-  21-  49-  53 

                        the next 18  back from that   Fri. Dec 2  2011       24-  30-  48-  51-  56

                            O.K.  I've got what appears to be   20  numbers   but  three of them are showing twice

                     so I've really only got 17 numbers       what'll I do now?

                    I'll tell you what   we'll go another 18 back             3--19--21  44 - 45  Fri. sept.30  2011

                                  19 and 21 are already showing    that's Good    let's pick the   3   because it's a little more popular than 44  or 45

                                                                               Here's 18  picked a  Fixed  and unique way   (sorta)

                                                          2-  3-  4-  7-  9-  19-  20-  21-  24-  30-  33-  34-  40-  48-  49-  51-  53-  56

                                                                                       If something good happens  we'll call it

                                                                                          THE  POWER  OF  18

                    thats funny .... all those previous draws landed  on a  Fri.                        which   happens to be tonight  the 10th

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                      Those are the top 28 numbers are after 744 drawings but I'll bet the top 28 numbers after 544 drawings were different. Some of the numbers in the bottom 28 number list after 200 drawings might be the most frequently drawn number in the next 200 drawings. To get a 10% ratio, the numbers used would have to change often and without a specific way to change the numbers, we can't check the results. When I found that 28 number group that matched all five numbers in 8 consecutive drawings, if four of those numbers were excluded and replaced with four other numbers, there were no five number matches.

                      "That's tougher than it sounds."

                      I agree and probably an interesting project for a MIT math class.

                      A MIT math class might prove no such group can exist naturally in groups of five numbers picked randomly from fifty-six numbers.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                         I'm sure most folks know I usually pick the Bonus ball,  as I like to concern myself with the 5 white balls

                                                                                   just for kicks

                                                                                    bonus ball

                                                                                         18

                                                for the above 18 numbers


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                          Those are the top 28 numbers are after 744 drawings but I'll bet the top 28 numbers after 544 drawings were different. Some of the numbers in the bottom 28 number list after 200 drawings might be the most frequently drawn number in the next 200 drawings. To get a 10% ratio, the numbers used would have to change often and without a specific way to change the numbers, we can't check the results. When I found that 28 number group that matched all five numbers in 8 consecutive drawings, if four of those numbers were excluded and replaced with four other numbers, there were no five number matches.

                          "That's tougher than it sounds."

                          I agree and probably an interesting project for a MIT math class.

                          if four of those numbers were excluded and replaced with four other numbers, there were no five number matches

                          This is a very interesting post Stack47, because I have been wondering why you could not have made predictions based on the ongoing 8 draw run?? Is there no way to see that a run is taking place and use the numbers that are hitting to predict future draws??


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                            O.k.  Ronnie316

                              It's just an idea     but lets call this:.....

                            The Power of 18

                                  Counting backwards from the current draw   18 draws

                                youll see                                  Fri. June 8 2012    4-  9-  34-  40-  48

                                  the next 18 back from that   Fri. April 6 2012      2-  19-  20-  24-  33     

                                 the next 18 back from that   Fri. Feb 3    2012      7-  19-  21-  49-  53 

                                the next 18  back from that   Fri. Dec 2  2011       24-  30-  48-  51-  56

                                    O.K.  I've got what appears to be   20  numbers   but  three of them are showing twice

                             so I've really only got 17 numbers       what'll I do now?

                            I'll tell you what   we'll go another 18 back             3--19--21  44 - 45  Fri. sept.30  2011

                                          19 and 21 are already showing    that's Good    let's pick the   3   because it's a little more popular than 44  or 45

                                                                                       Here's 18  picked a  Fixed  and unique way   (sorta)

                                                                  2-  3-  4-  7-  9-  19-  20-  21-  24-  30-  33-  34-  40-  48-  49-  51-  53-  56

                                                                                               If something good happens  we'll call it

                                                                                                  THE  POWER  OF  18

                            thats funny .... all those previous draws landed  on a  Fri.                        which   happens to be tonight  the 10th

                            I had the same as you for using recent past results so Im going try it also.......

                            I will eliminate the fist line and 5 RNG numbers and duplicates till I have 28. I will list them in order so we can check how the first 18 did. RNG, 01 15 19 03 54

                             

                            Tuesday, August 07, 201230 · 32 · 33 · 42 · 48    + 074$21 Million
                            Friday, August 03, 201202 · 10 · 13 · 38 · 46    + 023$13 Million
                            Tuesday, July 31, 201205 · 18 · 21 · 29 · 41    + 373$12 Million
                            Friday, July 27, 201202 · 03 · 04 · 08 · 43    + 263$52 Million
                            Tuesday, July 24, 201205 · 09 · 38 · 46 · 51    + 054$45 Million
                            Friday, July 20, 201202 · 44 · 48 · 50 · 52    + 033$37 Million
                            Tuesday, July 17, 201201 · 13 · 21 · 49 · 55    + 174$28 Million
                            Friday, July 13, 201206 · 07 · 13 · 24 · 46    + 342$21 Million
                            Tuesday, July 10, 201203 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36    + 214$14 Million
                            Friday, July 06, 201220 · 23 · 28 · 35 · 39    + 213$12 Million
                            Tuesday, July 03, 201203 · 04 · 24 · 36 · 52    + 454$86 Million
                            Friday, June 29, 201228 · 34 · 39 · 45 · 53    + 34

                             

                            02 10 13 38 05 18 21 29 41 04 08 43 09 51 44 50 52 13 49 55 06 07 24 11 23 36 20 28

                            Bonus ball 8 


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                              My submission for draw 12 August 2012:

                              GAT 25526          : 04 05 10 11 12 13 18 20 21 24 26 27 28 30 33 34 35 36 37 41 43 44 48 49 50 51 53 56
                              GAT 881787 (MB): 46 (05 18)

                              My submission is GAT 25526 + GAT 881787

                              and those I monitor their progress

                              GAT 175793 : 01 03 05 08 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 23 25 26 27 30 32 34 36 38 39 41 42 48 49 51 53 54
                              GAT 2488985 (MB) : 32 (17 12)
                              GAT 3584375 (MB) : 12 (32 17)

                              [reference data D=50 SD=20 RF=3]

                              Ok lottoarchitect, your numbers are in play for Aug. 10, 2012.

                                 
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