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Posted: August 11, 2012, 5:48 pm - IP Logged

 RJOh numbers have been posted for 16 draws. Your expense total is $1,581,120.

That was an interesting experiment that didn't bear fruit, the only thing to do is take notes and move on.

I'm picking 10 lines for tonight's PB drawing trying something different.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    That was an interesting experiment that didn't bear fruit, the only thing to do is take notes and move on.

    I'm picking 10 lines for tonight's PB drawing trying something different.

    In my experiment your numbers took 16 draws to hit 4+1.

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      I forgot that you were the one that introduced Ronnie to the nonsense of predicting the jackpot winning numbers from a group of 28 numbers.

      You are like those economists that are helping the president to set economic policies. They are using fuzzy math methods that can't be applied in a real world scenario. We would never see any logical person betting $98k plus on every mega milliions or powerball drawing in order to match 5+1.

      Why play the lottery if you can afford to spend $98k plus on 18 drawings like Ronnie did in order to match 5+1. Remember when the MM jackpot reached $640M?

      Actually it was Ronnie who brought up splitting the numbers in half using an easy to identify group of 28 numbers. At best my contribution was pointing out there are several octillion groups of 28 numbers and many of them had and will have better of odds of five of those numbers being drawn than probability.

      "You are like those economists that are helping the president to set economic policies."

      I'm not into politics especially on Lottery site but if the economy is so bad, why do I need a reservation at my favorite restaurants?

      If all the doom and gloom I'm reading is true, there shouldn't be people waiting to be served and the place should be virtually empty or probably out of business.

      "We would never see any logical person betting $98k plus on every mega milliions or powerball drawing in order to match 5+1."

      Oh really?

      That would be chump change to the Australian syndicate that tried to buy all 7 million possible combos in the Virginia 6/44 lotto game in 1992.

      http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/us/group-invests-5-million-to-hedge-bets-in-lottery.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

      Or how about the groups that bought $600,000 worth of tickets several times over a 7-year period in Massachusetts' Cash WinFall game?

      http://www.lotterypost.com/news/249164

      "Why play the lottery if you can afford to spend $98k plus on 18 drawings like Ronnie did in order to match 5+1."

      If the economy is that bad, there is no way any investment group or an individual is going to get the same 800% return on their money as Ronnie did in only 9 weeks. And the question of whether or not it was logistically possible to play 100,000 combos was answered by the Arizona Lottery.

      "Remember when the MM jackpot reached $640M?"

      Yes I do and an approximate 635 million losing $1 tickets were in trash cans the next day.


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        Posted: August 11, 2012, 9:18 pm - IP Logged

        Ronnie WINS big JACKPOT with this (BETTER ODDS) number combination......

         

        02 10 13 38 05 18 21 29 41 04 08 43 09 51 44 50 52 13 49 55 06 07 24 11 23 36 20 28

        Bonus ball 8 

         

        Friday, August 10, 2012       10 · 18 · 36 · 38 · 44    + 08          4          $29 Million

        I will play some PB numbers just for fun.......

        Wednesday, August 08, 2012    03 · 07 · 11 · 15 · 28    + 12

        and...... 46 51 56 24 31 for elimination. 

        PB play for Aug. 11, 2012

         

        02 04 05 06 09 13 14 16 19 20 22 23 29 30 32 35 36 37 38 39 48 49 50 53 54 55 57 58

        Bonus 25


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          Actually it was Ronnie who brought up splitting the numbers in half using an easy to identify group of 28 numbers. At best my contribution was pointing out there are several octillion groups of 28 numbers and many of them had and will have better of odds of five of those numbers being drawn than probability.

          "You are like those economists that are helping the president to set economic policies."

          I'm not into politics especially on Lottery site but if the economy is so bad, why do I need a reservation at my favorite restaurants?

          If all the doom and gloom I'm reading is true, there shouldn't be people waiting to be served and the place should be virtually empty or probably out of business.

          "We would never see any logical person betting $98k plus on every mega milliions or powerball drawing in order to match 5+1."

          Oh really?

          That would be chump change to the Australian syndicate that tried to buy all 7 million possible combos in the Virginia 6/44 lotto game in 1992.

          http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/25/us/group-invests-5-million-to-hedge-bets-in-lottery.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

          Or how about the groups that bought $600,000 worth of tickets several times over a 7-year period in Massachusetts' Cash WinFall game?

          http://www.lotterypost.com/news/249164

          "Why play the lottery if you can afford to spend $98k plus on 18 drawings like Ronnie did in order to match 5+1."

          If the economy is that bad, there is no way any investment group or an individual is going to get the same 800% return on their money as Ronnie did in only 9 weeks. And the question of whether or not it was logistically possible to play 100,000 combos was answered by the Arizona Lottery.

          "Remember when the MM jackpot reached $640M?"

          Yes I do and an approximate 635 million losing $1 tickets were in trash cans the next day.

          Excellent post Stack,

          its too bad that when Thrifty gets back he wont understand anything you said. Like all lefties he is too stubborn (or ill) to remain logical when discussing his own preconcived talking points.

          Everything you said is true & makes complete logical sense to any reasonable thinking person. 

          I was the one who divided the balls into blue and red (odd/even) in the very first post.

          As far as the the new SSA and communist system that Thrifty (and the voters) are embracing, it will no doubt take 20 years to feel the full effect and see the disappearance of lotteries and restaurants and malls. In the short term we will see a dramatic market sell off as soon as the re-election is emanate. All short funds should be in place by early Oct. That my best guess.

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            Posted: August 11, 2012, 11:37 pm - IP Logged

            In my experiment your numbers took 16 draws to hit 4+1.

            The ten PB lines I posted on the prediction board and played matched 3+0 and 1+1 for $11.  Like I said you take notes of the experiments that fail and move on, these experiments are a learning project.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: August 12, 2012, 12:31 am - IP Logged

              The ten PB lines I posted on the prediction board and played matched 3+0 and 1+1 for $11.  Like I said you take notes of the experiments that fail and move on, these experiments are a learning project.

              Great call RJOh, just keep moving forward and get a big winner.


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                I will play some PB numbers just for fun.......

                Wednesday, August 08, 2012    03 · 07 · 11 · 15 · 28    + 12

                and...... 46 51 56 24 31 for elimination. 

                PB play for Aug. 11, 2012

                 

                02 04 05 06 09 13 14 16 19 20 22 23 29 30 32 35 36 37 38 39 48 49 50 53 54 55 57 58

                Bonus 25

                Very funny again, the first 2 RNG elimination numbers I picked hit on the draw.

                Saturday, August 11, 2012     04 · 13 · 39 · 46 · 51    + 01

                 MM likes me but PB does not. I have that problem a lot aroud here?????


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                  The ten PB lines I posted on the prediction board and played matched 3+0 and 1+1 for $11.  Like I said you take notes of the experiments that fail and move on, these experiments are a learning project.

                  Good point RJOh, Im taking notes.


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                    Posted: August 12, 2012, 3:29 pm - IP Logged

                    One of my stated goals on LP was to hit a JP twice in a row. I'm gunning for it on Tue.

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                    Thanks for posting Thrifty,

                    One way or the other I believe you are going to cause me to big a JP at least once, maybe twice. Twice in a row I'm hoping, so I can tell people I can predict the future.

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                      Congrat's  on Hitting the    8   I got   a Big Fat   0 Zero

                       

                           Ronnie   5- 1    Cheers


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                        Congrat's  on Hitting the    8   I got   a Big Fat   0 Zero

                         

                             Ronnie   5- 1    Cheers

                        No worry x1kosmic, your bonus ball is listed as 36 and it has been 48 games now since we have seen the 36 bonus ball hit. Some would say its cold but I would say its "due"

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                          Posted: August 13, 2012, 3:14 pm - IP Logged

                          So in a 28 number wheel that hits 4+1 what are the totals for

                          4+1

                          3+1

                          2+1

                          1+1

                          0+1

                          ??

                          4 + 1 -- 24 -- $24,000

                          3 + 1 -- 1104 -- $165,600

                          2 + 1 -- 12,144 -- $121,440

                          1 + 1 -- 42,504 -- $127,512

                          0 + 1 -- 42,504 -- $85,008

                          $523,560 - $98,280

                          It's the fact you matched the bonus number and five of the numbers that makes the totals spectacular. Just by matching two numbers, the winnings would be $125,580 and zero matches would be $98,280. Had you equally distributed all 46 bonus numbers, you would probably had:

                          5 + 0 -- 1 = $250,000

                          4 + 1 -- 3 = $30,000

                          4 + 0 -- 112 = $16,800

                          3 + 1 -- 55 = $8250

                          3 + 0 -- 2485 = $17,395

                          2 + 1 --  385 = $3850

                          1 + 1 -- 963 = $2889

                          0 + 1 -- 752 = $1504

                          And while it's still a nice hit, small compared to the effect of picking and matching only one bonus number.

                          As an experiment, I put your 28 numbers (replacing the second 13 with another number) in the same order they appeared into a 4 if 4 abbreviated wheel with 4932 combos and a 5 + 0 match was found on line number 1117. While it's not a guarantee, it still proves it's possible to win a jackpot using only 5% of the combos. It won't help anyone who thinks $10 is a huge bet, but it is a more realistic way to play a 28 number group with one bonus number.


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                            4 + 1 -- 24 -- $24,000

                            3 + 1 -- 1104 -- $165,600

                            2 + 1 -- 12,144 -- $121,440

                            1 + 1 -- 42,504 -- $127,512

                            0 + 1 -- 42,504 -- $85,008

                            $523,560 - $98,280

                            It's the fact you matched the bonus number and five of the numbers that makes the totals spectacular. Just by matching two numbers, the winnings would be $125,580 and zero matches would be $98,280. Had you equally distributed all 46 bonus numbers, you would probably had:

                            5 + 0 -- 1 = $250,000

                            4 + 1 -- 3 = $30,000

                            4 + 0 -- 112 = $16,800

                            3 + 1 -- 55 = $8250

                            3 + 0 -- 2485 = $17,395

                            2 + 1 --  385 = $3850

                            1 + 1 -- 963 = $2889

                            0 + 1 -- 752 = $1504

                            And while it's still a nice hit, small compared to the effect of picking and matching only one bonus number.

                            As an experiment, I put your 28 numbers (replacing the second 13 with another number) in the same order they appeared into a 4 if 4 abbreviated wheel with 4932 combos and a 5 + 0 match was found on line number 1117. While it's not a guarantee, it still proves it's possible to win a jackpot using only 5% of the combos. It won't help anyone who thinks $10 is a huge bet, but it is a more realistic way to play a 28 number group with one bonus number.

                            Thank you Stack for crunching those numbers for me. It is a big help to keep the positive energy flow working.

                            On your 4 if 4 abbreviated wheel with 4932 combos..... all I can say is WOW.

                            Now Im starting to see what you have been talking about all along, and Im very impressed that the total number of combos can be so dramatically reduced and still have a chance at hitting.

                            You can use the 28 numbers I post Tue. for the abbrev. wheel if you want. I think it is a great way to play it and much more realistic for actual play.


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                              4 + 1 -- 24 -- $24,000

                              3 + 1 -- 1104 -- $165,600

                              2 + 1 -- 12,144 -- $121,440

                              1 + 1 -- 42,504 -- $127,512

                              0 + 1 -- 42,504 -- $85,008

                              $523,560 - $98,280

                              It's the fact you matched the bonus number and five of the numbers that makes the totals spectacular. Just by matching two numbers, the winnings would be $125,580 and zero matches would be $98,280. Had you equally distributed all 46 bonus numbers, you would probably had:

                              5 + 0 -- 1 = $250,000

                              4 + 1 -- 3 = $30,000

                              4 + 0 -- 112 = $16,800

                              3 + 1 -- 55 = $8250

                              3 + 0 -- 2485 = $17,395

                              2 + 1 --  385 = $3850

                              1 + 1 -- 963 = $2889

                              0 + 1 -- 752 = $1504

                              And while it's still a nice hit, small compared to the effect of picking and matching only one bonus number.

                              As an experiment, I put your 28 numbers (replacing the second 13 with another number) in the same order they appeared into a 4 if 4 abbreviated wheel with 4932 combos and a 5 + 0 match was found on line number 1117. While it's not a guarantee, it still proves it's possible to win a jackpot using only 5% of the combos. It won't help anyone who thinks $10 is a huge bet, but it is a more realistic way to play a 28 number group with one bonus number.

                              Anyone who wants to keep track of their win/loss can use these numbers. I think its interesting that hitting 4+1 will cover the cost of 5 draws and 5+0 looks like it will only cover about 3 draws,

                              As far as all the bonus balls....... it was after much consideration that I decided to stick with one bonus number. It seems less hit and miss as each number will come up at some point. Picking a number and playing till it hit seems the only sure way to hit the bonus. 

                                 
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