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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Posted: August 21, 2012, 10:09 pm - IP Logged

I used the LP 3 if 5 of 28 and played the first 40 lines.

Input:  1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 18, 19, 23, 29, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 39, 41, 43, 44, 46, 50, 51, 52, 55

1. 01-05-07-29-43
2. 01-05-18-29-46
3. 01-05-19-23-46
4. 01-05-19-29-30
5. 01-05-23-29-43
6. 01-05-29-32-44
7. 01-05-29-50-51
8. 01-05-30-43-46
9. 01-07-18-30-46
10. 01-07-19-23-43
11. 01-07-32-46-50
12. 01-07-44-46-51
13. 01-18-19-32-43
14. 01-18-19-43-51
15. 01-18-23-30-44
16. 01-18-23-30-50
17. 01-19-43-44-50
18. 01-23-30-32-51
19. 03-04-06-09-38
20. 03-04-09-10-34
21. 03-04-09-11-39
22. 03-04-09-11-41
23. 03-04-09-13-52
24. 03-04-09-36-55
25. 03-06-10-38-41
26. 03-06-11-38-39
27. 03-06-13-38-55
28. 03-06-34-38-41
29. 03-06-36-38-52
30. 03-09-10-38-39
31. 03-10-11-13-34
32. 03-10-11-34-36
33. 03-10-11-52-55
34. 03-13-36-39-41
35. 03-34-39-41-52
36. 03-34-39-41-55
37. 04-06-09-10-11
38. 04-06-11-34-39
39. 04-06-13-34-41
40. 04-06-34-36-41

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    Posted: August 21, 2012, 10:38 pm - IP Logged

    I used a RNG to custom pick these 25 lines using a set of parameters I entered. I entered a pool of 41 numbers but only 34 was used. I posted the first 10 lines on the prediction board.

    02 13 23 38 46 03 05 08 10 18 20 21 24 35 36 39 44 48 55 01 04 06 07 09 11 15 19 28 29 30 32 33 34 41 42 43 49 50 51 52 56

    01-18-29-43-51 +06
    05-29-43-44-56 +38
    05-08-28-39-55 +08
    07-13-30-48-55 +01
    19-28-33-39-50 +32
    18-20-28-50-56 +02
    05-28-34-44-56 +11
    08-29-41-44-56 +45
    04-15-29-49-55 +37
    19-28-32-35-56 +04
    05-21-28-39-49 +23
    07-09-28-34-38 +36
    03-08-30-32-43 +20
    08-28-29-35-43 +17
    18-21-28-41-49 +26
    28-33-35-39-43 +03
    05-07-13-30-43 +05
    06-20-43-44-51 +34
    05-15-20-29-51 +09
    07-21-42-43-55 +24
    07-30-43-46-51 +13
    03-07-15-35-43 +07
    05-13-30-50-56 +35
    07-13-19-32-46 +22
    06-18-30-44-56 +21

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: August 21, 2012, 10:57 pm - IP Logged

      I have been using a generator board to sort numbers, Heres what you have RJOh

      01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 13 15 18 19 20 21 23 24 28 29 30

      32 33 34 35 36 38 39 41 42 43 44 46 48 49 50 51 52 55 56

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        Posted: August 21, 2012, 11:16 pm - IP Logged

        I used a RNG to custom pick these 25 lines using a set of parameters I entered. I entered a pool of 41 numbers but only 34 was used. I posted the first 10 lines on the prediction board.

        02 13 23 38 46 03 05 08 10 18 20 21 24 35 36 39 44 48 55 01 04 06 07 09 11 15 19 28 29 30 32 33 34 41 42 43 49 50 51 52 56

        01-18-29-43-51 +06
        05-29-43-44-56 +38
        05-08-28-39-55 +08
        07-13-30-48-55 +01
        19-28-33-39-50 +32
        18-20-28-50-56 +02
        05-28-34-44-56 +11
        08-29-41-44-56 +45
        04-15-29-49-55 +37
        19-28-32-35-56 +04
        05-21-28-39-49 +23
        07-09-28-34-38 +36
        03-08-30-32-43 +20
        08-28-29-35-43 +17
        18-21-28-41-49 +26
        28-33-35-39-43 +03
        05-07-13-30-43 +05
        06-20-43-44-51 +34
        05-15-20-29-51 +09
        07-21-42-43-55 +24
        07-30-43-46-51 +13
        03-07-15-35-43 +07
        05-13-30-50-56 +35
        07-13-19-32-46 +22
        06-18-30-44-56 +21

        Winning numbers 05-13-20-23+33 +30

        Had four of the winning numbers in the mix but only managed to get two of them on the same line twice and didn't have the MB on any of them.

        If it rolls I'll try again Friday.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: August 21, 2012, 11:40 pm - IP Logged

          Right, thats why for simplification I went back a strait 28 numbers for tonights draw.

          The trouble is, it only took me back into the 7th draw which will not be deep enough for regular 5 of 5 hits.

          Im not taking credit for 5 of 5 tonight because I changed my numbers, but it is interesting that the first set of numbers I posted did hit all 5 and it proves that when the winners can be found in the past 4-7 draws, 5 of 5 will be "easy" using 28 numbers.

           

          Numbers in play for Tue. Aug. 21, 2012

           

          02 03 04 05 08 10 13 15 18 20 21 23 24 29 30 32 33 34 35 36 38 39 41 42 44 46 48 55

           

          bonus 25


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            Posted: August 21, 2012, 11:54 pm - IP Logged

            Checking the LP 3 if 5 of 28 wheel it delivered 3 of 5 as promised on line 79.

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              Posted: August 22, 2012, 12:31 am - IP Logged

              Checking the LP 3 if 5 of 28 wheel it delivered 3 of 5 as promised on line 79.

              Yes but you would have had to spend another $39 to win it, that what I don't like about wheels.

              Did you notice that you woul have only had to go back 6 drawings to cover tonight's winner?  That haven't been true in a while.

              • 08/21/12 1- 5 2-10 3-20 4-23 5-27 
              • 08/17/12 1-26 2-35 3-40 4-40 5-56 
              • 08/14/12 1-28 2-34 3-38 4-41 5-50 
              • 08/10/12 1-10 2-10 3-15 4-24 5-34 
              • 08/07/12 1-20 2-39 3-41 4-46 5-54 
              • 08/03/12 1-10 2-14 3-14 4-22 5-39 
              • 07/31/12 1-10 2-19 3-41 4-46 5-54 
              • 07/27/12 1-10 2-23 3-28 4-40 5-48 
              • 07/24/12 1-14 2-38 3-41 4-48 5-51 
              • 07/20/12 1-20 2-36 3-36 4-37 5-54 
              • 07/17/12 1- 5 2-25 3-37 4-45 5-52 
              • 07/13/12 1-12 2-35 3-44 4-54 5-56 
              • 07/10/12 1- 5 2-10 3-10 4-17 5-21 
              • 07/06/12 1-10 2-10 3-13 4-13 5-50 
              • 07/03/12 1-10 2-10 3-27 4-33 5-41 
              • 06/29/12 1-13 2-22 3-28 4-43 5-52 
              • 06/26/12 1- 5 2- 5 3-34 4-37 5-47 
              • 06/22/12 1-30 2-46 3-46 4-47 5-49 
              • 06/19/12 1- 5 2-17 3-21 4-26 5-33 
              • 06/15/12 1- 8 2-31 3-35 4-35 5-52 
              • 06/12/12 1- 5 2- 5 3-15 4-45 5-53

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: August 22, 2012, 12:41 am - IP Logged

                Yes but you would have had to spend another $39 to win it, that what I don't like about wheels.

                Did you notice that you woul have only had to go back 6 drawings to cover tonight's winner?  That haven't been true in a while.

                • 08/21/12 1- 5 2-10 3-20 4-23 5-27 
                • 08/17/12 1-26 2-35 3-40 4-40 5-56 
                • 08/14/12 1-28 2-34 3-38 4-41 5-50 
                • 08/10/12 1-10 2-10 3-15 4-24 5-34 
                • 08/07/12 1-20 2-39 3-41 4-46 5-54 
                • 08/03/12 1-10 2-14 3-14 4-22 5-39 
                • 07/31/12 1-10 2-19 3-41 4-46 5-54 
                • 07/27/12 1-10 2-23 3-28 4-40 5-48 
                • 07/24/12 1-14 2-38 3-41 4-48 5-51 
                • 07/20/12 1-20 2-36 3-36 4-37 5-54 
                • 07/17/12 1- 5 2-25 3-37 4-45 5-52 
                • 07/13/12 1-12 2-35 3-44 4-54 5-56 
                • 07/10/12 1- 5 2-10 3-10 4-17 5-21 
                • 07/06/12 1-10 2-10 3-13 4-13 5-50 
                • 07/03/12 1-10 2-10 3-27 4-33 5-41 
                • 06/29/12 1-13 2-22 3-28 4-43 5-52 
                • 06/26/12 1- 5 2- 5 3-34 4-37 5-47 
                • 06/22/12 1-30 2-46 3-46 4-47 5-49 
                • 06/19/12 1- 5 2-17 3-21 4-26 5-33 
                • 06/15/12 1- 8 2-31 3-35 4-35 5-52 
                • 06/12/12 1- 5 2- 5 3-15 4-45 5-53

                Yes, and the 5 was the first number in the 6th draw making it only 23 numbers deep.


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                  • 08/21/12 1- 5 2-10 3-20 4-23 5-27 

                  Your printout says 27, but Im using a number generator board and only using 23 numbers total to get to the number 5 on the 6th draw.

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                    • 08/21/12 1- 5 2-10 3-20 4-23 5-27 

                    Your printout says 27, but Im using a number generator board and only using 23 numbers total to get to the number 5 on the 6th draw.

                    The routine I wrote count all the numbers in the drawing so it would be the same if the numbers in the file are stored in their sorted positions or stored in the order they were drawn.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Yes but you would have had to spend another $39 to win it, that what I don't like about wheels.

                      Did you notice that you woul have only had to go back 6 drawings to cover tonight's winner?  That haven't been true in a while.

                      • 08/21/12 1- 5 2-10 3-20 4-23 5-27 
                      • 08/17/12 1-26 2-35 3-40 4-40 5-56 
                      • 08/14/12 1-28 2-34 3-38 4-41 5-50 
                      • 08/10/12 1-10 2-10 3-15 4-24 5-34 
                      • 08/07/12 1-20 2-39 3-41 4-46 5-54 
                      • 08/03/12 1-10 2-14 3-14 4-22 5-39 
                      • 07/31/12 1-10 2-19 3-41 4-46 5-54 
                      • 07/27/12 1-10 2-23 3-28 4-40 5-48 
                      • 07/24/12 1-14 2-38 3-41 4-48 5-51 
                      • 07/20/12 1-20 2-36 3-36 4-37 5-54 
                      • 07/17/12 1- 5 2-25 3-37 4-45 5-52 
                      • 07/13/12 1-12 2-35 3-44 4-54 5-56 
                      • 07/10/12 1- 5 2-10 3-10 4-17 5-21 
                      • 07/06/12 1-10 2-10 3-13 4-13 5-50 
                      • 07/03/12 1-10 2-10 3-27 4-33 5-41 
                      • 06/29/12 1-13 2-22 3-28 4-43 5-52 
                      • 06/26/12 1- 5 2- 5 3-34 4-37 5-47 
                      • 06/22/12 1-30 2-46 3-46 4-47 5-49 
                      • 06/19/12 1- 5 2-17 3-21 4-26 5-33 
                      • 06/15/12 1- 8 2-31 3-35 4-35 5-52 
                      • 06/12/12 1- 5 2- 5 3-15 4-45 5-53

                      Most larger number wheels are unbalanced; IE the numbers aren't equally distributed throughout the wheel. In the 3 if 5 wheel Ronnie used, two of the numbers appear 20 times, four appear 19 times, twelve appear 18 times, two appear 17 times, and eight appear 13 times. I used the QP generator because I just wanted to see how the numbers were distributed and noticed that all five of the winning numbers were in it. Four of them were in the wheel 18 times and one 13 times.

                      Because the wheel is designed to match any three numbers on one line when five are matched that is the most likely outcome and probably not the best way to get an advantage by matching all five numbers. Using that type of wheel, you're basically using 94 combos to get a three number match and when the cost greatly exceeds the probable win, it's a terrible bet.

                      Wheels like 2 if 2, 3 if 3, 3 if 4, and 4 if 4 give better odds of matching more than the wheel guarantee by matching more numbers. The odds of matching five numbers on a 4 if 4 are 5 to 1 when five of the numbers match compared to 23 to 1 using a 4 if 5 wheel. Back in the day when Super Lotto was THE game in Ohio, I wheel pairs because if I matched all six numbers and one of my pairs matched, I was guaranteed a four number hit and by matching two pairs, I was guaranteed to have a five number match. The 3 if 5 wheel could be used by checking the pair distribution in the wheel, but that too is a guess. However playing 94 combos compared to 98,280 to get a five number match, educated guessing might be the better option.


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                        The routine I wrote count all the numbers in the drawing so it would be the same if the numbers in the file are stored in their sorted positions or stored in the order they were drawn.

                        Ok, but your information is wrong. You only needed to use 23 numbers to get 5 of 5 not 27.


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                          Most larger number wheels are unbalanced; IE the numbers aren't equally distributed throughout the wheel. In the 3 if 5 wheel Ronnie used, two of the numbers appear 20 times, four appear 19 times, twelve appear 18 times, two appear 17 times, and eight appear 13 times. I used the QP generator because I just wanted to see how the numbers were distributed and noticed that all five of the winning numbers were in it. Four of them were in the wheel 18 times and one 13 times.

                          Because the wheel is designed to match any three numbers on one line when five are matched that is the most likely outcome and probably not the best way to get an advantage by matching all five numbers. Using that type of wheel, you're basically using 94 combos to get a three number match and when the cost greatly exceeds the probable win, it's a terrible bet.

                          Wheels like 2 if 2, 3 if 3, 3 if 4, and 4 if 4 give better odds of matching more than the wheel guarantee by matching more numbers. The odds of matching five numbers on a 4 if 4 are 5 to 1 when five of the numbers match compared to 23 to 1 using a 4 if 5 wheel. Back in the day when Super Lotto was THE game in Ohio, I wheel pairs because if I matched all six numbers and one of my pairs matched, I was guaranteed a four number hit and by matching two pairs, I was guaranteed to have a five number match. The 3 if 5 wheel could be used by checking the pair distribution in the wheel, but that too is a guess. However playing 94 combos compared to 98,280 to get a five number match, educated guessing might be the better option.

                          Thanks Stack, I was wondering how 4 if 4 and 4 if 5 were different.

                          Now that I have hit 5 of 5,

                          FOUR TIMES

                          in 21 draws

                          I think its safe to say that 

                          "the odds"

                          are getting blown away.


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                            mcginnin56 hits 5+0 for the second time
                             
                             
                            Congratulation my fellow sojourner. You are now among to elite core group who have found a way to answer the question: Do some number combinations have better odds?
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                              Thanks Stack, I was wondering how 4 if 4 and 4 if 5 were different.

                              Now that I have hit 5 of 5,

                              FOUR TIMES

                              in 21 draws

                              I think its safe to say that 

                              "the odds"

                              are getting blown away.

                              That's why I'm looking for better and more practical ways to take advantage of the hits. Without matching the bonus number playing a full wheel would show a substantial loss. I did find at least one five number match using a 4 if 4 wheel and that did happened when you matched the bonus number. Without matching the bonus number, the 4 if 4 wheel still showed a nice profit, $150,000 playing about $5000 a drawing.

                                 
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