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# Do some number combinations have better odds?

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It was much harder than I thought it was going to be, going back 11 draws

Next I will try the oldest 10 draw winner.

06/03/28 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/ 8 5/10

 Friday, March 24, 2006 01 · 02 · 17 · 47 · 49    + 19 4 \$82 Million Tuesday, March 21, 2006 04 · 16 · 17 · 28 · 31    + 08 4 \$68 Million Friday, March 17, 2006 08 · 11 · 23 · 48 · 52    + 05 3 \$56 Million Tuesday, March 14, 2006 27 · 28 · 30 · 42 · 50    + 22 4 \$42 Million Friday, March 10, 2006 04 · 17 · 18 · 51 · 54    + 31 4 \$31 Million Tuesday, March 07, 2006 15 · 27 · 36 · 38 · 42    + 32 4 \$18 Million Friday, March 03, 2006 25 · 29 · 38 · 39 · 46    + 04 4 \$12 Million Tuesday, February 28, 2006 02 · 04 · 35 · 36 · 48    + 22

 Friday, February 24, 2006 03 · 05 · 12 · 16 · 34    + 27 3 \$212 Million Tuesday, February 21, 2006 14 · 23 · 27 · 36 · 45    + 36 4 \$175 Million

I have a program that sorts the numbers into eight groups of 16 numbers and can search the number of hits each group gets. Some of the numbers appear in more than one group. While each group did much better than the probable once out of every 894 drawings. even getting 10 five number hits over the history of the game is only one hit every 75 drawings when it need once every 57 just to break even.

The reason I mentioned the program is the strategy of each group and the possibility of finding the best 28 numbers and see if they consistently beat probability. The "most frequent group" is the 28 most frequent drawn numbers over a period of time. The "rare group" is the less frequently drawn numbers over the same period of time. The "current group" is the most recently drawn numbers.

I believe to get the best results is to place all the numbers into the order of their most recent draws and find the places on the list where 5 out of 28 numbers were drawn. The probability of a number repeating is about 40% so in 60% of the drawings you could eliminate the previously drawn numbers. The same probability is for the five dead numbers on the end of the list.

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I have a program that sorts the numbers into eight groups of 16 numbers and can search the number of hits each group gets. Some of the numbers appear in more than one group. While each group did much better than the probable once out of every 894 drawings. even getting 10 five number hits over the history of the game is only one hit every 75 drawings when it need once every 57 just to break even.

The reason I mentioned the program is the strategy of each group and the possibility of finding the best 28 numbers and see if they consistently beat probability. The "most frequent group" is the 28 most frequent drawn numbers over a period of time. The "rare group" is the less frequently drawn numbers over the same period of time. The "current group" is the most recently drawn numbers.

I believe to get the best results is to place all the numbers into the order of their most recent draws and find the places on the list where 5 out of 28 numbers were drawn. The probability of a number repeating is about 40% so in 60% of the drawings you could eliminate the previously drawn numbers. The same probability is for the five dead numbers on the end of the list.

The 60% probability of NOT hitting is the very reason I was eliminating the previous draw.

HOWEVER, I found that when all winning numbers are found in the previous 4-7 draws, numbers from the previous draw are involved the majority of the time.

Even the 8-9 group holds lots of previous draw winning numbers

07/08/21 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 4 6/ 4
06/02/17 1/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 3 5/ 3 6/ 4
11/07/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5
06/09/29 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 7/ 5
12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
11/09/02 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 3 5/ 6
09/10/20 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 5 5/ 6
07/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 6/ 6
07/02/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 6/ 4 7/ 6
06/08/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 5/ 6
05/12/13 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 6
12/03/09 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 7
10/10/01 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 7
10/09/28 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 7 5/ 7 6/ 7
10/08/20 1/ 4 2/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 6 6/ 7
10/08/17 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 7
08/10/14 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 8/ 7
08/10/03 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 7
08/02/29 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 7
06/01/17 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 6/ 6 8/ 7
11/09/13 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 8
10/06/04 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/ 8
10/04/16 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 8 6/ 8
10/01/22 1/ 5 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 8
09/01/06 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 5 8/ 8
08/06/27 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 8
07/10/05 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 8
06/12/19 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 8
06/09/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 6 6/ 8
05/12/30 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 6/ 8
12/08/10 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 9
12/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 5/ 7 6/ 9
12/04/06 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 9 8/ 9
11/11/08 1/ 2 3/ 6 4/ 6 6/ 7 7/ 9
11/07/01 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 1 6/ 7 8/ 9
11/05/20 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 9
10/10/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 5/ 6 7/ 7 8/ 9
10/06/29 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 7/ 9
10/06/22 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 8/ 9 9/ 9
09/12/22 1/ 5 2/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
09/12/18 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 9
08/12/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
08/12/05 1/ 2 2/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 7 7/ 9
08/12/02 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 2 6/ 7 8/ 9
08/11/28 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 5/ 9 6/ 9

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For Fri. Aug. 24, 2012

elimination: 54 21 15 26 25 34 53 55 03 47 20 44

03 15 20 21 25 26 34 44 47 53 54 55

In play:

05 13 23 33 08 24 35 56 39 10 18 36 38 30 32 42 48 02 46 29 41 04 43 09 51 50 52 01

01 02 04 05 08 09 10 13 18 23 24 29 30 32 33 35 36 38 39 41 42 43 46 48 50 51 52 56

bonus ball 3

My 12 number group in play for Aug. 24. 2012.

02 04 05 08 10 13 18 23 24 29 30 32

bonus ball 3

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From now on I will be submitting my 12 numbers at Maddogs Mega Millions Challenge 8/21

Except on the day I hit 5+1 on the "JP Games Forum" I will also be holding a live winner.

Are you saying you plan to play all 792 possible combinations of 5 in a group of 12 every time you participate in the Maddogs Challenge just to be sure if you match5 in it you will have a live match5?

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Well if playing to lose was their objective, I think they have certainly succeeded.

As far as the 4 if 4, do you think it give me a better chance at 5 of 5?

Suppose I used the 4 if 5 THREE different ways for 105 lines??

A 4 if 5 wheel only gives you once chance of matching all five numbers because there is only one way to match four numbers. A 4 if 4 wheel gives you at least 4 four number matches (when matching five numbers) and 4 chances to match all five numbers. Using three different 4 if 5 wheels will only give you three chances. It's based on the wheel guarantee: because you must match 5 numbers to guarantee matching 4 numbers, there is usually only one four number match.

Most of the abbreviated wheels on LP are not minimal and because of the extra lines, it's possible to get more than one four number match using a 4 if 5 wheel and more than four using a 4 if 4. I had 2 four number matches playing a 3 if 4 wheel by matching four numbers that greatly exceeded the guaranteed one three number match.

Another option is using filters on a full 12 number wheel and getting it down to a more practical size. The only guarantee is when five of the numbers match and all the filters pass, you'll match all five numbers on the same line and what you're trying to do.

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Are you saying you plan to play all 792 possible combinations of 5 in a group of 12 every time you participate in the Maddogs Challenge just to be sure if you match5 in it you will have a live match5?

That's why when I made predictions, I always played them. I didn't want someone saying "congrats to Stack47 for matching all five numbers in RC5"; "to bad he didn't play them and didn't win a \$230,000 jackpot".

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Right, your group of 41 contained all 5 winning numbers. This gives you BETTER ODDS than choosing from a group of 56 numbers.

Following this line of thinking, a group of 28 numbers that contain all 5 winning numbers will be even BETTER ODDS than a group of 41,

I may not have all the winners in my group as often but when I do the likelihood of getting a group of 12 with all the winners will be greater.

For now a group of 12 is the only way I can see playing live.

Even though there will be 41 numbers in the pool, I won't use them all if they don't produce an acceptable combination.  I not only have to pick a winning combination but I must also has the option of rejecting a winning combination, that is the reason I write all the rejected and accepted combinations to a file that I check after the drawing.  If I didn't pick or reject a winning combination then I never had a chance of winning anything anyway.  Lots of times I find my RNG never produced a winning combination to choose or at best never picked better than a match3.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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That's why when I made predictions, I always played them. I didn't want someone saying "congrats to Stack47 for matching all five numbers in RC5"; "to bad he didn't play them and didn't win a \$230,000 jackpot".

I feel the same way, if I post them on the prediction board I'm playing them.  I might feel different if I posted 500 or more predictions every day.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Are you saying you plan to play all 792 possible combinations of 5 in a group of 12 every time you participate in the Maddogs Challenge just to be sure if you match5 in it you will have a live match5?

No, I would likely run out of playing money long before I hit 5 of 5 with 12 numbers.

Looks like my best option is 4 if 4 @ \$113, per draw. using one bonus number.

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A 4 if 5 wheel only gives you once chance of matching all five numbers because there is only one way to match four numbers. A 4 if 4 wheel gives you at least 4 four number matches (when matching five numbers) and 4 chances to match all five numbers. Using three different 4 if 5 wheels will only give you three chances. It's based on the wheel guarantee: because you must match 5 numbers to guarantee matching 4 numbers, there is usually only one four number match.

Most of the abbreviated wheels on LP are not minimal and because of the extra lines, it's possible to get more than one four number match using a 4 if 5 wheel and more than four using a 4 if 4. I had 2 four number matches playing a 3 if 4 wheel by matching four numbers that greatly exceeded the guaranteed one three number match.

Another option is using filters on a full 12 number wheel and getting it down to a more practical size. The only guarantee is when five of the numbers match and all the filters pass, you'll match all five numbers on the same line and what you're trying to do.

Thank you Stack for the info I was looking for, I will go with the 4 if 4.

The other question is: will the order of input change the selection of lines??

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MM and PB have such a large number of combinations in play, that there is no need to break the bank to win the jackpot.

PLAY THE LOTTERY SOMEDAY-IT IS OKAY TO DREAM!

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MM and PB have such a large number of combinations in play, that there is no need to break the bank to win the jackpot.

Thank you for that little reminder Thrifty.

I just finished filling out first 55 lines and taking it to the store. Upon checking my work I only made 6 mistakes, so I will get 6 extra lines when I go back to get the other 58 lines.

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Thank you for that little reminder Thrifty.

I just finished filling out first 55 lines and taking it to the store. Upon checking my work I only made 6 mistakes, so I will get 6 extra lines when I go back to get the other 58 lines.

You will win a lottery jackpot someday. I am playing according to my lottery stop loss limit. I am able to play a single line or multiple lines based on my lottery stop loss limit without spending extra money. It is the best way to play.You can play using self picks or quick picks.

PLAY THE LOTTERY SOMEDAY-IT IS OKAY TO DREAM!

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You will win a lottery jackpot someday. I am playing according to my lottery stop loss limit. I am able to play a single line or multiple lines based on my lottery stop loss limit without spending extra money. It is the best way to play.You can play using self picks or quick picks.

My new systematic approach uses self picks to give me BETTER ODDS, and then an LP wheeling system to reduce the number of lines played. Thank you for saying I will win.

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I purchased the other 58 tickets and only made 2 mistakes this time.

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