Texas United States Member #86154 January 30, 2010 1648 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 5:45 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by THRIFTY on August 19, 2012

I usurally buy a single line on MM and PB, but lately I have been getting at least 1 or two numbers from the previous drawing. I get some repeats when I buy multiple lines, but for some reason I win more often with multiple lines than with a single line.It really mess up your chances of winning of winning when you get numbers from the previous drawing, and you are playing with a single line. I do not buy self picks because quick picks win 70% to 80%. I have tried some randomly chosen self picks though.

Well, I'll have to differ with you on the previous numbers assumption. Thrifty, if you go back and study the past MM & PB results, you'll clearly see where numbers are destined to repeat even though we're dealing with (50+) numbers. Do you know why? Because, those same numbers are still in there from one draw to the next...no matter what's going on. The pre-tests are designed to do just what players think isn't going to happen. Now, this can go both ways okay. The player the plays back some, or, all of the same numbers from the last official draw is highly likely to match at least 1-2 of those numbers.

Thrifty, let's not think in terms of numerical values for a minute, okay. Instead, let's look at this from an Odd/Even perspective. Each number has just as much of a chance as the next to be drawn from one drawing to the next but, you can still narrow down based on constants in their respective category. For instance, in the single digits, you have only (4) Even numbers which can be drawn while there are (5) Odd numbers...right? 1,3,5,7,9 vs. 2, 4, 6, 8. So, in essence, if a player were to at least "lead off" with all the single digit Even numbers, they are guaranteed to match at least that (1) number enroute to matching more numbers.

This, to me, is how you begin to guarantee yourself a certain amount of matched numbers....gotta play on a constant system. This is also why I say state side players, with Pick 3, should arrange their numbers in this same fashion and just be patient. The numbers must absolutely be drawn...especially if permutated properly. The machines can't just keep drawing an odd, or, an even number in the same position over and over...it must change. When it does, and you have your numbers in there, you win. Plain and simple. However, this becomes much, much more difficult when dealing with (50+) numbers. Can you see my point?

mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 19816 Posts Online

Posted: August 19, 2012, 5:54 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on August 19, 2012

Since my program tracks how many of the 56 numbers has hit, maybe I can change a line so it will show 25/6 instead of 1/6 showing how many of the 56 has hit rather than how many of the new combination has hit.

Checked program, same variables and routines used to track both so it's do one or the other, not both. Need a rewrite to do both at same time, something I may do in the future.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

United States Member #116268 September 7, 2011 20244 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 6:32 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on August 19, 2012

Checked program, same variables and routines used to track both so it's do one or the other, not both. Need a rewrite to do both at same time, something I may do in the future.

No worry, Im going to start playing with a goal of going 40 numbers deep into the previous results. That should give me just about the desired affect,

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

"The odds dictate that I only hit 5 of 5 ONCE every 39 draws using 28 numbers......... but I have hit 5 of 5, three times in 19 draws."

Depending how you decide to pick your numbers, it's probably more reasonable to expect a five number hit once out of 15 drawings. It's the number of three and four matches in the other 14 drawings that determines how many drawings you can go between five number matches to help cover the cost of play. A 435 combo wheel could cost about $6200 minus the three and four number hits waiting for the five number match.

A large number wheel might be a worthwhile play in a pick-5 game that pay $300 for matching four numbers, $10 for three, and $1 for two, but in MM the key is matching the bonus number. If you can find the set of numbers that matches five numbers once out of 15, you'll probably need to match the bonus number once out of 8.

"I suppose when I have the $25 million in my hands, everyone will suddenly be interested."

Don't expect any help from those wondering when the winner from Lapeer, Michigan will validate their ticket, take the cash or an annuity, contact a lawyer, congratulate the winner, or debate if Lapeer is a sleepy town or not. It's much easier to ask members to pick one number and congratulate those who are correct than it is to ask for help choosing a set of MM numbers that consistently match four or five numbers and/or the bonus number.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 8:13 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by THRIFTY on August 19, 2012

I usurally buy a single line on MM and PB, but lately I have been getting at least 1 or two numbers from the previous drawing. I get some repeats when I buy multiple lines, but for some reason I win more often with multiple lines than with a single line.It really mess up your chances of winning of winning when you get numbers from the previous drawing, and you are playing with a single line. I do not buy self picks because quick picks win 70% to 80%. I have tried some randomly chosen self picks though.

"I do not buy self picks because quick picks win 70% to 80%."

Let's round if off to 75% and say out of every 50 million MegaMillion tickets sold, 37.5 million are QPs. According to probability, 39 out of every 40 tickets win nothing so 36.56 million QPs will win nothing. Do the math; 36.56 million tickets is almost three times more than the total 12.5 million self pick sales. Even though the same 1 in 39.9 ratio applies to self picks, three times more QP player will win nothing than self pick players.

And you think it's a bad idea trying to pick your own numbers?????

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 8:24 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on August 19, 2012

Well, I'll have to differ with you on the previous numbers assumption. Thrifty, if you go back and study the past MM & PB results, you'll clearly see where numbers are destined to repeat even though we're dealing with (50+) numbers. Do you know why? Because, those same numbers are still in there from one draw to the next...no matter what's going on. The pre-tests are designed to do just what players think isn't going to happen. Now, this can go both ways okay. The player the plays back some, or, all of the same numbers from the last official draw is highly likely to match at least 1-2 of those numbers.

Thrifty, let's not think in terms of numerical values for a minute, okay. Instead, let's look at this from an Odd/Even perspective. Each number has just as much of a chance as the next to be drawn from one drawing to the next but, you can still narrow down based on constants in their respective category. For instance, in the single digits, you have only (4) Even numbers which can be drawn while there are (5) Odd numbers...right? 1,3,5,7,9 vs. 2, 4, 6, 8. So, in essence, if a player were to at least "lead off" with all the single digit Even numbers, they are guaranteed to match at least that (1) number enroute to matching more numbers.

This, to me, is how you begin to guarantee yourself a certain amount of matched numbers....gotta play on a constant system. This is also why I say state side players, with Pick 3, should arrange their numbers in this same fashion and just be patient. The numbers must absolutely be drawn...especially if permutated properly. The machines can't just keep drawing an odd, or, an even number in the same position over and over...it must change. When it does, and you have your numbers in there, you win. Plain and simple. However, this becomes much, much more difficult when dealing with (50+) numbers. Can you see my point?

L.L.

Very nice post, LL but Thrifty is buying QPs and excluding 1, 2, 3, 4, or even all 5 numbers from the previous drawing are not part of that program. It's amazing how players will complain after getting a random set of numbers when that is exactly what they asked for.

Looks like you have decided to stick with the numbers that hit in the previous 13 drawings.

In the 747 drawings since the last MM matrix change there has been 734 periods of 13 drawings. These periods included 31-47 of the 56 numbers which had 5 of the winning numbers 119 times(16%), 4 of the winning numbers 273 times(37%), 3 of the winning numbers 222 times(30%) and 2 of the winning numbers 90 times(12%).

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

United States Member #116268 September 7, 2011 20244 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on August 19, 2012

Looks like you have decided to stick with the numbers that hit in the previous 13 drawings.

In the 747 drawings since the last MM matrix change there has been 734 periods of 13 drawings. These periods included 31-47 of the 56 numbers which had 5 of the winning numbers 119 times(16%), 4 of the winning numbers 273 times(37%), 3 of the winning numbers 222 times(30%) and 2 of the winning numbers 90 times(12%).

Thanks RJOh, I like those odds. 5 of 5, 16% of the time would be 6 times BETTER than stated odds. If I can hit 5 of 5 half that often it would be about every 12-13 draws which is very close to what Stack has been saying would be a good average.

NEW YORK United States Member #90535 April 29, 2010 11975 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2012, 11:18 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on August 19, 2012

Well, I'll have to differ with you on the previous numbers assumption. Thrifty, if you go back and study the past MM & PB results, you'll clearly see where numbers are destined to repeat even though we're dealing with (50+) numbers. Do you know why? Because, those same numbers are still in there from one draw to the next...no matter what's going on. The pre-tests are designed to do just what players think isn't going to happen. Now, this can go both ways okay. The player the plays back some, or, all of the same numbers from the last official draw is highly likely to match at least 1-2 of those numbers.

Thrifty, let's not think in terms of numerical values for a minute, okay. Instead, let's look at this from an Odd/Even perspective. Each number has just as much of a chance as the next to be drawn from one drawing to the next but, you can still narrow down based on constants in their respective category. For instance, in the single digits, you have only (4) Even numbers which can be drawn while there are (5) Odd numbers...right? 1,3,5,7,9 vs. 2, 4, 6, 8. So, in essence, if a player were to at least "lead off" with all the single digit Even numbers, they are guaranteed to match at least that (1) number enroute to matching more numbers.

This, to me, is how you begin to guarantee yourself a certain amount of matched numbers....gotta play on a constant system. This is also why I say state side players, with Pick 3, should arrange their numbers in this same fashion and just be patient. The numbers must absolutely be drawn...especially if permutated properly. The machines can't just keep drawing an odd, or, an even number in the same position over and over...it must change. When it does, and you have your numbers in there, you win. Plain and simple. However, this becomes much, much more difficult when dealing with (50+) numbers. Can you see my point?

L.L.

The lottery does a pre- test draw before the actual draw? Where can I see the pre-test draw results before I play. It seems like they are cheating by doing a pre-test draw before the actual draw.

United States Member #116268 September 7, 2011 20244 Posts Offline

Posted: August 20, 2012, 9:55 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by THRIFTY on August 19, 2012

The lottery does a pre- test draw before the actual draw? Where can I see the pre-test draw results before I play. It seems like they are cheating by doing a pre-test draw before the actual draw.

You could be right Thrifty, there is a very good chance that they are cheating and making sure that the "pre-determined winner" is getting their numbers chosen according to plan.

United States Member #116268 September 7, 2011 20244 Posts Offline

Posted: August 20, 2012, 10:01 am - IP Logged

Of course the other (less likely) idea is that they are testing the machine to make sure it works for the real draw......... What do you think would happen if the machine jammed during a real draw and they had to reach inside the machine??

United States Member #116268 September 7, 2011 20244 Posts Offline

Posted: August 20, 2012, 10:17 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on August 19, 2012

Looks like you have decided to stick with the numbers that hit in the previous 13 drawings.

In the 747 drawings since the last MM matrix change there has been 734 periods of 13 drawings. These periods included 31-47 of the 56 numbers which had 5 of the winning numbers 119 times(16%), 4 of the winning numbers 273 times(37%), 3 of the winning numbers 222 times(30%) and 2 of the winning numbers 90 times(12%).

Thanks RJOh, How far I can go back in the previous result will be determined in large part by how many elimination numbers I use. In the example I had to use 15.