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For what it's worth

           I see where one of RJOH's  combo's hit Fri.

                      20-24    that makes 13 for it.

Good eye x1kosmic, I dont think even RJOh has been able to make use of the pairs. It would be nice if they could be predicted because 2 fixed numbers in a field of 28 would reduce the combination total from 98.820 down to 2600.

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    The lottery does a pre- test draw before the actual draw? Where can I see the pre-test draw results before I play. It seems like they are cheating by doing a pre-test draw before the actual draw.

    "The lottery does a pre- test draw before the actual draw?"

    Since it's live TV, it makes sense to test all the equipment before the drawing. Probably for the same reason they test the cameras, mics, and cue cards before a live news cast.

    "Where can I see the pre-test draw results before I play."

    The tests are conducted before the drawing, but they probably leave enough time to correct any problems. When the drawing occurs with no malfunctions, it's a given the pre-drawing tests were a success. Contact your state lottery and they may allow you to witness a live drawing; get there early and you can see the tests too. Since the lottery terminals close about 1/2 hour before the drawing, they are probably closed when the test are being conducted.

    "It seems like they are cheating by doing a pre-test draw before the actual draw."

    It would seem more like cheating if in half of the living drawings there was a malfunction and those drawings were not shown on live TV. I saw it happen in Ohio where one of the pick-3 machines malfunctioned on live TV, the official drawing was made off camera when the machine was fixed, and the players watching had to wait for the results. The other players checking the results an hour after the drawing on the lottery website or on LP would never know there was a malfunction.

    Even if the test results (IE which numbers were drawn) where shown two hours before the drawing, how would that benefit you, a QP player?


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      Green laughA QP player...... announce the pre-winner and how would the help the Thrift Master?


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        Looking back on the list I can see how using the previous draw as an elimination would have prevented me from hitting 5 of 5 the last 3 chances in a row.

        All were relative easy wins as all were 11 draws or less to find the winning numbers. 

        12/07/13 1/ 3 2/12 4/19 15/46 23/68
        12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
        12/07/06 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 3 10/26
        12/07/03 1/ 2 2/ 2 4/ 7 5/ 9 8/14
        12/06/29 1/ 3 2/ 5 4/ 7 9/17 12/30
        12/06/26 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/10 4/11 8/19
        12/06/22 1/ 9 3/19 4/19 5/20 6/22
        12/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 5/ 7 6/ 9
        12/06/15 1/ 2 3/ 9 4/11 5/11 8/27
        12/06/12 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 11/17 21/35
        12/06/08 1/ 4 2/ 4 3/ 6 4/10 6/15
        12/06/05 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 9 5/12 9/28
        12/06/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 4/ 9 7/10 8/11
        12/05/29 1/ 2 3/ 5 4/ 6 5/ 7 27/55 

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          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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            Ronnie hit 5+1 on the 10th of Aug. 2012.


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              Lets try a test run for July 10, 2012.

              RNG eliminations: 05 06 08 09 10 11 20 24 30 34 46 51

              Still would have lost a number and had 4 of 5..........

              Tuesday, July 10, 201203 · 11 · 19 · 23 · 36    + 214$14 Million
              Friday, July 06, 201220 · 23 · 28 · 35 · 39    + 213$12 Million
              Tuesday, July 03, 201203 · 04 · 24 · 36 · 52    + 454$86 Million
              Friday, June 29, 201228 · 34 · 39 · 45 · 53    + 344$75 Million
              Tuesday, June 26, 201203 · 16 · 23 · 35 · 36    + 204$65 Million
              Friday, June 22, 201210 · 16 · 19 · 32 · 36    + 133$55 Million
              Tuesday, June 19, 201211 · 21 · 27 · 30 · 53    + 112$47 Million
              Friday, June 15, 201208 · 12 · 18 · 30 · 40    + 043$39 Million
              Tuesday, June 12, 201202 · 09 · 17 · 34 · 50    + 454$30 Million
              Friday, June 08, 201204 · 09 · 34 · 40 · 48    + 253$22 Million
              Tuesday, June 05, 201237 · 39 · 42 · 53 · 55    + 22
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                Very nice post, LL but Thrifty is buying QPs and excluding 1, 2, 3, 4, or even all 5 numbers from the previous drawing are not part of that program. It's amazing how players will complain after getting a random set of numbers when that is exactly what they asked for.

                Thanks, Stack! I can actually see where Thrifty is very honest with his intentions and thoughts about this game...he just get's frustrated which is natural. Where most players fall short is very simple in my opinion...they completely forget about, or, ignore the basic, fundamentals of the game. The same things that happen with Pick 3/4, a 6/54, Cash 5, and any other game STILL HAPPEN IN MM'S and PB games...BAR NONE. Numbers repeat in the same positions, formats repeat in the ODD/EVEN fashions, etc. etc. Trying to isolate a number, or numbers, based on previous performance is always going to be very tricky in any game due to pre-tests.

                Now, while pre-test results aren't posted until after the official draw, I have found that they provide better provisions for eliminating certain numbers/combinations. This is due to the cycling of the numbers and what's more likely to occur, or, not occur based on (2) cycles of pre-tests. Right now, I'm working on simply "sectioning" the numbers just to test the efficiency of matching "X" amount of numbers for sure and let Lady Luck do the rest.

                In the end, though, it's random and the pre-tests will ensure this. It's a given that more people have won this game on accident, or with luck as opposed to intentionally. I've learned in the past that these numbers have a way of showing you something new just when you think you've got it nailed.

                 

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                  59 pages, 873 replies in a discussion of combinations with better odds and nary a jackpot.

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                  Well, 'Toss, he claims to have hit already. I don't know how much it costed or how many numbers were required to land the hit, though. Still, that's a lot of money to win. Looks to me like he must know what he's doing. Are you sure he didn't win, 'Toss?

                   

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                    Looking back on the list I can see how using the previous draw as an elimination would have prevented me from hitting 5 of 5 the last 3 chances in a row.

                    All were relative easy wins as all were 11 draws or less to find the winning numbers. 

                    12/07/13 1/ 3 2/12 4/19 15/46 23/68
                    12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
                    12/07/06 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 3 10/26
                    12/07/03 1/ 2 2/ 2 4/ 7 5/ 9 8/14
                    12/06/29 1/ 3 2/ 5 4/ 7 9/17 12/30
                    12/06/26 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/10 4/11 8/19
                    12/06/22 1/ 9 3/19 4/19 5/20 6/22
                    12/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 5/ 7 6/ 9
                    12/06/15 1/ 2 3/ 9 4/11 5/11 8/27
                    12/06/12 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 11/17 21/35
                    12/06/08 1/ 4 2/ 4 3/ 6 4/10 6/15
                    12/06/05 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 9 5/12 9/28
                    12/06/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 4/ 9 7/10 8/11
                    12/05/29 1/ 2 3/ 5 4/ 6 5/ 7 27/55 

                    There has been 79 of those so called "easy" wins since the last matrix change.

                    07/08/21 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 4 6/ 4
                    06/02/17 1/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 3 5/ 3 6/ 4
                    11/07/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5
                    06/09/29 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 7/ 5
                    12/07/10 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 7/ 5 9/ 6
                    11/09/02 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 3 5/ 6
                    09/10/20 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 5 5/ 6
                    07/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 5/ 4 6/ 6
                    07/02/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 6/ 4 7/ 6
                    06/08/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 5/ 6
                    05/12/13 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 6
                    12/03/09 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 7
                    10/10/01 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 7
                    10/09/28 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 7 5/ 7 6/ 7
                    10/08/20 1/ 4 2/ 5 4/ 5 5/ 6 6/ 7
                    10/08/17 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 7
                    08/10/14 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 8/ 7
                    08/10/03 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 7
                    08/02/29 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 7
                    06/01/17 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 6/ 6 8/ 7
                    11/09/13 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 6/ 8
                    10/06/04 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/ 8
                    10/04/16 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 8 6/ 8
                    10/01/22 1/ 5 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 6 5/ 8
                    09/01/06 1/ 1 2/ 1 4/ 3 5/ 5 8/ 8
                    08/06/27 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 8
                    07/10/05 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 8
                    06/12/19 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 7 5/ 8
                    06/09/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 6 6/ 8
                    05/12/30 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 4 6/ 8
                    12/08/10 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 5/ 6 6/ 9
                    12/06/19 1/ 1 2/ 4 3/ 5 5/ 7 6/ 9
                    12/04/06 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 4 7/ 9 8/ 9
                    11/11/08 1/ 2 3/ 6 4/ 6 6/ 7 7/ 9
                    11/07/01 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 1 6/ 7 8/ 9
                    11/05/20 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 9
                    10/10/19 1/ 1 2/ 2 5/ 6 7/ 7 8/ 9
                    10/06/29 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 5/ 7 7/ 9
                    10/06/22 1/ 2 2/ 2 5/ 5 8/ 9 9/ 9
                    09/12/22 1/ 5 2/ 6 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
                    09/12/18 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 9
                    08/12/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 7 5/ 8 6/ 9
                    08/12/05 1/ 2 2/ 3 5/ 7 6/ 7 7/ 9
                    08/12/02 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 2 6/ 7 8/ 9
                    08/11/28 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 5/ 9 6/ 9
                    07/03/02 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 6/ 8 8/ 9
                    07/01/23 1/ 2 2/ 3 4/ 6 5/ 7 7/ 9
                    06/03/21 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 7 7/ 9
                    05/11/08 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 4/ 6 6/ 9
                    05/09/23 1/ 2 2/ 4 3/ 8 4/ 9 5/ 9
                    12/04/13 1/ 5 2/ 6 3/ 7 4/ 9 7/10
                    12/02/24 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 6/10
                    11/09/30 1/ 1 2/ 2 4/ 6 5/ 8 6/10
                    11/06/14 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 6 4/ 7 6/10
                    11/04/05 1/ 1 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 7 8/10
                    11/01/04 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 6 4/ 8 5/10
                    10/09/14 1/ 9 2/ 9 3/10 4/10 5/10
                    09/06/26 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 5/10
                    09/04/28 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 5 5/ 9 7/10
                    09/02/24 1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 2 4/ 3 9/10
                    08/11/11 1/ 2 2/ 5 3/ 6 4/ 7 6/10
                    08/10/10 1/ 4 2/ 5 3/ 6 5/10 6/10
                    08/06/03 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 3 7/ 8 8/10
                    06/07/11 1/ 4 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/10 5/10
                    06/06/23 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 7 4/ 7 6/10
                    06/04/07 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 4 4/ 5 7/10
                    06/03/28 1/ 1 2/ 5 3/ 7 4/ 8 5/10
                    12/06/01 1/ 1 2/ 3 4/ 9 7/10 8/11
                    12/01/31 1/ 3 2/ 3 5/ 7 7/10 8/11
                    11/06/28 1/ 3 2/ 3 3/ 5 6/11 7/11
                    11/02/22 1/ 4 3/ 5 4/ 6 5/ 6 7/11
                    10/10/08 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 7 5/11 6/11
                    10/01/19 1/ 1 2/ 1 3/ 2 4/ 5 7/11
                    09/04/14 1/ 2 2/ 3 3/ 3 5/ 5 8/11
                    09/02/17 1/ 7 2/ 8 3/ 8 4/10 5/11
                    07/08/14 1/ 4 2/ 6 3/10 4/10 5/11
                    07/03/16 1/ 2 2/ 2 3/ 8 4/ 8 5/11
                    07/01/19 1/ 1 3/10 4/11 5/11 6/11
                    05/11/25 1/ 3 2/ 4 3/ 5 6/ 9 7/11

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      The lottery does a pre- test draw before the actual draw? Where can I see the pre-test draw results before I play. It seems like they are cheating by doing a pre-test draw before the actual draw.

                      Sure, they do...just as they do with all the numbers games. I'm a firm believer that if the pre-tests didn't exist, we'd see a dramatic reduction in the repetitiveness of numbers and formats. We've done the work in the past with Pick 3/4, and from one draw to the very next produced 50%- 75% LESS repeats of the same single digit, and, two-digit format. Doubles were also nearly eliminated in the experiment.

                      Each time they draw numbers in pre-tests, it restores parity to all the numbers so that anything can occur again...and it does. You'd think that with (50+) numbers involved, certain things just aren't likely to happen. Just remember, the same numbers are still in there from last time...and ready to be drawn AGAIN just like those which haven't been drawn yet. I had a problem with the pre-tests for a long time, too, because I saw where the machines never malfunctioned. They claim that it's to promote fairness, randomness, and ensure proper functioning of the machines.

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                        Sure, they do...just as they do with all the numbers games. I'm a firm believer that if the pre-tests didn't exist, we'd see a dramatic reduction in the repetitiveness of numbers and formats. We've done the work in the past with Pick 3/4, and from one draw to the very next produced 50%- 75% LESS repeats of the same single digit, and, two-digit format. Doubles were also nearly eliminated in the experiment.

                        Each time they draw numbers in pre-tests, it restores parity to all the numbers so that anything can occur again...and it does. You'd think that with (50+) numbers involved, certain things just aren't likely to happen. Just remember, the same numbers are still in there from last time...and ready to be drawn AGAIN just like those which haven't been drawn yet. I had a problem with the pre-tests for a long time, too, because I saw where the machines never malfunctioned. They claim that it's to promote fairness, randomness, and ensure proper functioning of the machines.

                        L.L.

                        What are the chances of one of your combinations winning in an actual draw, if it won in a pre-test draw? I am not a math genius, it is common sense that the probability is very low.It sucks if you have the jackpot winning combination in a pre-test draw and not on the actual draw.

                        I think that it is a way of eliminating combinations that were played. They are balancing the winners and losers scale.

                        The lottery is in the business of making more money than what it gives out. They need more losers than winners to pay the very few winners and make a profit. They lottery would go out of business without pre-tests. It will be in the red.

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                          What are the chances of one of your combinations winning in an actual draw, if it won in a pre-test draw? I am not a math genius, it is common sense that the probability is very low.It sucks if you have the jackpot winning combination in a pre-test draw and not on the actual draw.

                          I think that it is a way of eliminating combinations that were played. They are balancing the winners and losers scale.

                          The lottery is in the business of making more money than what it gives out. They need more losers than winners to pay the very few winners and make a profit. They lottery would go out of business without pre-tests. It will be in the red.

                          Very interesting that you bring this up, Thrifty, because it makes perfect sense. I have actually witnessed where people have matched numbers on the pre-tests and ended up with nothing on the official draw...and vice-versa. This applies to Pick 3/4 and other games as well. Hell, it's happened to me which is why I mentioned looking at the pre-test results as a basis for number selection. I can see where re-entering some or all the numbers from a previous draw is beneficial most of the time, not all the time. With you being a QP player, you should consider this: If you have a line or two that have numbers overlapping, that can be a good thing because those combinations are still in there as well.

                          A repeat number has caused me to match (3) numbers instead of (2) before, buddy. Taking certain things for granted in this deal will cause you to lose when you'd otherwise win. It's okay to analyze and apply strategies here, but it works much better when playing in cycles. When playing in cycles, you essentially force the same thing(s) to happen, again, after (2) sets of pre-tests. If it doesn't, then your chances of winning are dramatically increased based soley on low probability of that re-occurrence. You don't need to be a math genius...just use common sense and don't abuse your expectations with thinking that one style of picks is worse than the other. 

                          The combination can't start off with both an odd and an even number, right? Must be one or the other. Try playing a series of picks that "leads off" with one value or the other i.e. 9,11,13,15,17,19 etc. But, this requires being consistent with those numbers so that when an odd or even number within your range of "lead off" picks is drawn, you automatically have one number matched...and maybe two. Make sense? It can't choose both, right? This is just an example.

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                            Very interesting that you bring this up, Thrifty, because it makes perfect sense. I have actually witnessed where people have matched numbers on the pre-tests and ended up with nothing on the official draw...and vice-versa. This applies to Pick 3/4 and other games as well. Hell, it's happened to me which is why I mentioned looking at the pre-test results as a basis for number selection. I can see where re-entering some or all the numbers from a previous draw is beneficial most of the time, not all the time. With you being a QP player, you should consider this: If you have a line or two that have numbers overlapping, that can be a good thing because those combinations are still in there as well.

                            A repeat number has caused me to match (3) numbers instead of (2) before, buddy. Taking certain things for granted in this deal will cause you to lose when you'd otherwise win. It's okay to analyze and apply strategies here, but it works much better when playing in cycles. When playing in cycles, you essentially force the same thing(s) to happen, again, after (2) sets of pre-tests. If it doesn't, then your chances of winning are dramatically increased based soley on low probability of that re-occurrence. You don't need to be a math genius...just use common sense and don't abuse your expectations with thinking that one style of picks is worse than the other. 

                            The combination can't start off with both an odd and an even number, right? Must be one or the other. Try playing a series of picks that "leads off" with one value or the other i.e. 9,11,13,15,17,19 etc. But, this requires being consistent with those numbers so that when an odd or even number within your range of "lead off" picks is drawn, you automatically have one number matched...and maybe two. Make sense? It can't choose both, right? This is just an example.

                            L.L.

                            The lottery is a numbers game= buying more tickets increases your chances of winning.  You need to have a lottery stop loss limit though.

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                              I like LuckyLoser

                                  I also agree with Thrifty, that there's more losers, than winners.

                                        But Thrifty...... If you Had the winning nubers on your Ticket,   I don't think that they  'Hurry- Up'   and switch it to a pre -draw

                                                  just so you'll lose.

                                 
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