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mcginnin56,

"Some would freak Coin Toss, others would be in awe, still others would be   Sleep.   Just the normal range of expected human responses."

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Not the public, the lottery commission people. Trust me, they would all freak. The primary rule in any gambling operation is to protect the game.

Sorry, I stand corrected Coin Toss! I was referring to the general masses of peeps everywhere. Sure, they would be running around like their

hair (if any of these officials still have any remaining?), was soaked with kerosene and on fire.  Mad  As Max mentioned in the previous post, they

would be crying foul, and would do everything in their collective power to avoid paying a red cent.   Crying

 

Having said that, I really could care less. If this prediction could be pulled off, that's their problem. I'm really not getting into politics here, just

the possibility and intrigue of it even occurring.  Ponder


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    Sorry, I stand corrected Coin Toss! I was referring to the general masses of peeps everywhere. Sure, they would be running around like their

    hair (if any of these officials still have any remaining?), was soaked with kerosene and on fire.  Mad  As Max mentioned in the previous post, they

    would be crying foul, and would do everything in their collective power to avoid paying a red cent.   Crying

     

    Having said that, I really could care less. If this prediction could be pulled off, that's their problem. I'm really not getting into politics here, just

    the possibility and intrigue of it even occurring.  Ponder

    I don't think they would even care all that much mc,

    There is no foul play if it is true predicting on the part of one person.

    And its easy to contain one person by simply banning them from play.


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      I don't think they would even care all that much mc,

      There is no foul play if it is true predicting on the part of one person.

      And its easy to contain one person by simply banning them from play.

      Good point. Had forgot about the "banning" angle.  Poke <banned player>  Dunk

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        ban a person from playing the lottery.  how?  a lifesized poster going up on every lottery terminal across the US?


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          ban a person from playing the lottery.  how?  a lifesized poster going up on every lottery terminal across the US?

          Hmmmm...guess I wasn't thinking clearly when I agreed with that one. I suppose for the larger prizes, the lottery could check for identification

          before issuing a check, to prevent the "banned" individual from collecting. Then the other loophole is the "banned" person could simply give ticket

          to a friend or family member to cash in. Probably no realistic way to enforce, accept by your life-sized poster going up nationwide Max.  I Agree!


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            Hmmmm...guess I wasn't thinking clearly when I agreed with that one. I suppose for the larger prizes, the lottery could check for identification

            before issuing a check, to prevent the "banned" individual from collecting. Then the other loophole is the "banned" person could simply give ticket

            to a friend or family member to cash in. Probably no realistic way to enforce, accept by your life-sized poster going up nationwide Max.  I Agree!

            It would be like a person who is banned from gambling in the state of Nevada. Of course they cant stop them altogether, but they can make them subject to surveillance and punishment for violating the ban. I'm sure any family or friends would also be culpable for assisting someone in violating the ban. Police power works great as long as its not in the hands of a Tyrant like................  Ahhhh, Chairman Mao........ ?


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              It would be like a person who is banned from gambling in the state of Nevada. Of course they cant stop them altogether, but they can make them subject to surveillance and punishment for violating the ban. I'm sure any family or friends would also be culpable for assisting someone in violating the ban. Police power works great as long as its not in the hands of a Tyrant like................  Ahhhh, Chairman Mao........ ?

              I totally agree in a situation with casino's in Nevada Ronnie. (I'll assume your referring to cheaters in casino's). In that scenario all casino's band

              together, have very sophisticated electronic surveillance, camera's and armed plainclothes security to protect their mutual interests.    Hit With Stick

               

              With a nationwide lottery system however, with literally millions of terminals saturating all fifty states, there is no realistic way to enforce that ban.

               

              Perhaps in a communist or dictatorship country, like China or Iran that would be doable. Then again, they probably wouldn't offer a lottery system

              to their poor, oppressed and down trodden people either.     Chair      Bash

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                That's not even remotely close to being right. Your later post with 140 zeros comes closer but still falls far short.

                I'm not sure how many states have P3 and P4 games, but let's figure there are 50 of each. Right off the bat that gives us 1 in (1000^50 *10,000^50). That's 350 zeros, and we haven't even started on the games with high odds. PB and MM add another 16 zeros, and muliplies it by 3.  As a very rough guess the 5 of n and 6 of n state games will add another 150 zeros. I have no clue about the various foreign games, but when the're all accounted for there are going to be at least 700 zeros. Here's what that looks like in a couple of ways:

                1 in 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
                000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
                000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
                000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
                000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
                000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

                1 in 3 billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion,billion, billion, billion, billion, billion.

                And for the record it's absolutely, positively, completely impossible, to an infinite number of decimal places, to predict it. There is, however, an exceedingly slim chance that somebody could guess them all.

                Players that buy a couple of QPs and/or personal picks don't know or care what the odds against them are. If they did we wouldn't have all the "how will you spend your winnings" threads.

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                  Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible.

                  Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible.

                  Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible.

                  Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible.

                  Impossible, impossible, impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible. impossible, impossible.

                  "What about the possibility of accurately predicting ALL games for ALL states, including UK National, B.C., Atlantic Canada, and Western Canada ALL in one day? I'm talking about ALL pick 2, 3, 4, and 10 games. ALL Cash 5, Treasure Hunt, Quinto, PB and MM games."

                  You apparently didn't read the question. Anybody can predict 1000 pick-3 combos, 10,000 pick 4 combos, 575,757 combos in a  5/39 pick-5 matrix, and all the possible Lotto, PB, MM, etc. games.

                  If the question was "can anyone pick the winning numbers, play them, and WIN ALL THE JACKPOTS in one day", I'd agree with you.


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                    I totally agree in a situation with casino's in Nevada Ronnie. (I'll assume your referring to cheaters in casino's). In that scenario all casino's band

                    together, have very sophisticated electronic surveillance, camera's and armed plainclothes security to protect their mutual interests.    Hit With Stick

                     

                    With a nationwide lottery system however, with literally millions of terminals saturating all fifty states, there is no realistic way to enforce that ban.

                     

                    Perhaps in a communist or dictatorship country, like China or Iran that would be doable. Then again, they probably wouldn't offer a lottery system

                    to their poor, oppressed and down trodden people either.     Chair      Bash

                    I agree that it could not be enforced, but that would not stop them from banning the person if they thought it was in the Lotteries best interest to do so.

                    My point was that it would then be illegal for that person to participate in playing the lottery. People do things everyday that are illegal and eventually get caught.

                    They could offer rewards for anyone seeing and reporting this evil person who wins lottery games at will. He could be on Americas Most Wanted as someone to be on the lookout for.

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                      From the Illinois lottery:

                      Our Voluntary Self-Exclusion Program (VSEP)

                      What in the world does that mean?

                      The Voluntary Self-Exclusion program was developed to help players who classify themselves as 'problem gamblers.' The Illinois Lottery allows a person to ban him/herself from receiving Lottery prizes, or any direct mail/email promotional materials. Put simply, the agreement bars those individuals from receiving payment for winning Illinois Lottery tickets.

                      Yeah, but how does it work?

                      A Lottery player can sign a contract provided by the Illinois Lottery, have it notarized, and then return it to the Lottery. In the contract, players acknowledge that they are problem gamblers, and that their ability to claim Lottery prizes is an unwelcome incentive to play. The players acknowledge that they want to reduce the incentive to play by entering into a voluntary self-exclusion agreement.

                      The Lottery maintains a computer database containing the Social Security Numbers of those who have signed the contracts, and checks this information whenever someone tries to claim a prize at an Illinois Lottery office. Those players on the list are denied prize payment.

                      If a player has an account on the internet, the account will be locked, prohibiting future purchases and prize payments.

                      In addition, the Lottery will not send mail or promotions to players who have signed such a contracts.

                      How can I get a form?

                      Click the link below to download and print the most current version of the form. You can also get a form from a Lottery regional office, or contact one of the problem gambling assistance organizations in our directory.

                      Download Self Exclusion Form
                      Download Self Exclusion Rules

                      http://www.illinoislottery.com/en-us/responsible-gaming.html

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                        From the Illinois lottery:

                        Our Voluntary Self-Exclusion Program (VSEP)

                        What in the world does that mean?

                        The Voluntary Self-Exclusion program was developed to help players who classify themselves as 'problem gamblers.' The Illinois Lottery allows a person to ban him/herself from receiving Lottery prizes, or any direct mail/email promotional materials. Put simply, the agreement bars those individuals from receiving payment for winning Illinois Lottery tickets.

                        Yeah, but how does it work?

                        A Lottery player can sign a contract provided by the Illinois Lottery, have it notarized, and then return it to the Lottery. In the contract, players acknowledge that they are problem gamblers, and that their ability to claim Lottery prizes is an unwelcome incentive to play. The players acknowledge that they want to reduce the incentive to play by entering into a voluntary self-exclusion agreement.

                        The Lottery maintains a computer database containing the Social Security Numbers of those who have signed the contracts, and checks this information whenever someone tries to claim a prize at an Illinois Lottery office. Those players on the list are denied prize payment.

                        If a player has an account on the internet, the account will be locked, prohibiting future purchases and prize payments.

                        In addition, the Lottery will not send mail or promotions to players who have signed such a contracts.

                        How can I get a form?

                        Click the link below to download and print the most current version of the form. You can also get a form from a Lottery regional office, or contact one of the problem gambling assistance organizations in our directory.

                        Download Self Exclusion Form
                        Download Self Exclusion Rules

                        http://www.illinoislottery.com/en-us/responsible-gaming.html

                        I did not know about this program but its exactly what I have been talking about. The Lotteries are the State. And the State has police powers. Anytime it is in their best interest they can ban people from participating in the Lottery.

                        It does not STOP people from sneaking around and playing. It merely discourages them and gives the State power to deny payments and impose whatever enforcement measures they deem necessary to protect the interests of the Lottery.

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                          MC56,

                          Maybe you should make this like Maddogg's MM challange,

                          to see if anyone can get close.

                          Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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                            ban a person from playing the lottery.  how?  a lifesized poster going up on every lottery terminal across the US?

                            That's funny right there!

                            Or after the machine takes your money, "Here is a short message from the lottery commission - Have you seen this man?" and then it has a whole America's Most Wanted thing with the guy's mug shot.

                            My two cents on the question is that the odds of hitting even TWO games (with a 5-number matrix or 5+1) in one day is so absurdly remote numerically that just starting with that would be close to unbelievable.  I doubt that it's ever happened - I won't say that I know that for sure, but unless it was not reported or under-reported somehow, that would be the biggest LP thread of all time.

                            Also agree with Coin that all the lotteries would freak, but I'll take it a step further.  Certain government agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA come to mind immediately) would be falling all over themselves to interview this Good Will Hunting meets Marty McFly wunderkind and/or biggest hacker criminal in history.

                            It would actually make for a half-decent movie script.  Everybody on the planet would collectively say "WTF?" at the same time.  Some people would bring the Salem Witch Trial pitchforks out, you'd have the 3-letter agencies all trying to get at this guy.  And it could be either a supernatural phenomenon thriller or a goofy Adam Sandler movie.  Either one.


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                              MC56,

                              Maybe you should make this like Maddogg's MM challange,

                              to see if anyone can get close.

                              Nay. I wouldn't want to steal any of Maddog's thunder.