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To me buying a lottery software is no different than a golfer getting lessons from a Pro. The golfer is playing and will continue playing with or without any help from a Pro. It should be obvious the LP members are playing lottery games and will continue play without or without any criticism from Jimmy. Been awhile since I priced Gail Howard's products, but how much a player is willing to spend is their decision. They can decide if it's worth the cost and unless Jimmy has thoroughly evaluated the program and is critiquing it, his comments about it are useless as usual.

Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like "that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way".

Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like "that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way".

Jimmy's believes he and only a handful of other LP members know the real odds of winning a lottery jackpot, he believes the rest are a bunch of dreamers who think simply buying a handful of tickets with no thought or strategy will win a jackpot.  Even when they have a strategy, he doesn't think it's has any more merits than those of a quick pick.

Every player is entitled to his opinions and that's what you're going to get at LP, a lot of opinions.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    To me buying a lottery software is no different than a golfer getting lessons from a Pro. The golfer is playing and will continue playing with or without any help from a Pro. It should be obvious the LP members are playing lottery games and will continue play without or without any criticism from Jimmy. Been awhile since I priced Gail Howard's products, but how much a player is willing to spend is their decision. They can decide if it's worth the cost and unless Jimmy has thoroughly evaluated the program and is critiquing it, his comments about it are useless as usual.

    Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like "that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way".

    I Agree! I think at this point a "blanket" apology might be in order.

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      Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like "that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way".

      Jimmy's believes he and only a handful of other LP members know the real odds of winning a lottery jackpot, he believes the rest are a bunch of dreamers who think simply buying a handful of tickets with no thought or strategy will win a jackpot.  Even when they have a strategy, he doesn't think it's has any more merits than those of a quick pick.

      Every player is entitled to his opinions and that's what you're going to get at LP, a lot of opinions.

      There are pro and con discussions about anything on LP, but only a couple of members not only lecture their position, but hand out homework via links to their favorite websites. Is there really someone on LP who doesn't know the odds against winning PB and MM?


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        To me buying a lottery software is no different than a golfer getting lessons from a Pro. The golfer is playing and will continue playing with or without any help from a Pro. It should be obvious the LP members are playing lottery games and will continue play without or without any criticism from Jimmy. Been awhile since I priced Gail Howard's products, but how much a player is willing to spend is their decision. They can decide if it's worth the cost and unless Jimmy has thoroughly evaluated the program and is critiquing it, his comments about it are useless as usual.

        Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like "that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way".

        Stack47 says, "Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like 'that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way'."

        What are you going to do if one of your devotees discovers who you really are, and consequently, what motivates you here?

        Click here if you think Don Catlin recommends lottery play, with its 50% House Edge.

        --Jimmy4164

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          Stack47 says, "Jimmy owes some of gaming experts an apology because he only shows their negative articles. Even Don Catlin wrote something like 'that being said, if you're still interested in gambling, I'll show you a better way'."

          What are you going to do if one of your devotees discovers who you really are, and consequently, what motivates you here?

          Click here if you think Don Catlin recommends lottery play, with its 50% House Edge.

          --Jimmy4164

          Don Catlin is one of over 50 people who writes articles for Casino City Times and I'm one of almost 145,000 that posts on Lottery Post. We can sum up all of Catlin's knowledge about lottery play by reading his article about Richard Lustig. There are several topics about Lustig on LP that basically make the same conclusions as Catlin. It's possible Catlin never read the book and his article is nothing but quotes from LP.

          http://catlin.casinocitytimes.com/article/lottery-nonsense-61784

          "From my past writing on the subject of lotteries my reaction was predictably skeptical."

          Only a fool and/or a real snake oil salesman would taut Catlin's lottery knowledge when it should be obvious he doesn't play. Catlin's lottery articles are as objective as an article on wine testing by the president of the Women's Temperance League. When are you going to figure out the majority of LP are laughing at your belief that you are the first person to figure out some lotteries game pay offs are less than 50%?

          You must think you're the Christopher Columbus of LP who discovered pick-3 games only payoff about 50% of the true odds. There are over 3 million posts on lottery related subjects, but you still feel the need to give the same boring lectures. Bet I'm not the first person who said you suffer from delusions of grandeur.


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            Stack47 muttered, "Don Catlin is one of over 50 people who writes articles for Casino City Times and I'm one of almost 145,000 that posts on Lottery Post."

            "145,000 that posts?"  Really?  Quoting that number as the number of [present tense] "posters" is like claiming the number of living and breathing Americans includes all those that have since passed away, rather than the true number in the 312M area.  Have you counted the number of unique LP posters over the last 6 months?  Regardless, comparing LP to CasinoCityTimes is absurd.  Please note that there is only one poster at LP whose identity we all know for sure.  I can send emails to Don Catlin, and probably look him up in Vegas. What are your qualifications?

            "We can sum up all of Catlin's knowledge about lottery play by reading his article about Richard Lustig.  There are several topics about Lustig on LP that basically make the same conclusions as Catlin."

            Oh NO!  Back to Lustig!  You apparently believe that since there are people posting at LP who discount Lustig, we can assume they are more expert than Catlin in gaming theory.  As I've said before Stack47, you need to go back to school to try for a clearer view of the forest.

            "It's possible Catlin never read the book and his article is nothing but quotes from LP."

            Anything is possible but do you really think he needs to [or would] consult here for his articles?

            Don Catlin said, "From my past writing on the subject of lotteries my reaction was predictably skeptical."

            If you enjoyed his understanding of randomness and the lottery, your reaction would be the same.  But you don't, your "Lottery IQ" notwithstanding.

            "You must think you're the Christopher Columbus of LP who discovered pick-3 games only payoff about 50% of the true odds."

            No matter how many times you try to imply that I claim to know the mathematical odds better than everyone else here, you fail.  I've posted more often than I like to remember responding to your obfuscations.  What I clearly know and understand better than you is that you can NOT BEAT the odds by looking back at past draws for guidance during your selection process.  The only people making a profit from the gambler's fallacy over the long haul are those who sell software and other services to those who believe it!

            If anyone really wants to know the psychology behind the Gambler's Fallacy, they will print out, find a quiet place, and carefully read this research report from Denmark:

            http://www.econ.ku.dk/english/research/publications/wp/dp_2011/1110.pdf/

            What are you going to do if one or more of your devotees discovers who you really are, and consequently, what motivates you here?

            --Jimmy4164

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              Posted: July 3, 2013, 2:23 pm - IP Logged

              Thank you jimmy4164


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                Thank you jimmy4164

                Jammy is a wind bag full of hot air. A timid frightened little creature who hides nervously behind his key board and computer screen making statements like........

                " Please note that there is only one poster at LP whose identity we all know for sure" 

                Jammy can up that list to at least 2 because I have posted:

                My address.

                Google maps photo of my apt. balcony.

                My Facebook page.

                My web site address. 

                A photograph of my face.

                My business address and phone number. 

                Perhaps Jammy would like to give me a call and ask me about my false pretenses and my multiple profiles on LP? Its quite pathetic of Jammy to keep accusing people of having alterior motives and phony profiles. 

                We all know that Jammy is a loser who doesn't play the lottery, and his only purpose here is to harass and confront people who find enjoyment and entertainment in number picking and lottery play. 


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                  Jammy is a wind bag full of hot air. A timid frightened little creature who hides nervously behind his key board and computer screen making statements like........

                  " Please note that there is only one poster at LP whose identity we all know for sure" 

                  Jammy can up that list to at least 2 because I have posted:

                  My address.

                  Google maps photo of my apt. balcony.

                  My Facebook page.

                  My web site address. 

                  A photograph of my face.

                  My business address and phone number. 

                  Perhaps Jammy would like to give me a call and ask me about my false pretenses and my multiple profiles on LP? Its quite pathetic of Jammy to keep accusing people of having alterior motives and phony profiles. 

                  We all know that Jammy is a loser who doesn't play the lottery, and his only purpose here is to harass and confront people who find enjoyment and entertainment in number picking and lottery play. 

                  Ronnie316,

                  If you had received the kinds of threatening messages that I received early on, you wouldn't have given up your identity as you have.  Even though you don't seem to pose a threat to anyone here, I think it was foolish to do it.  If you check out my first posts here at LP you'll find that I provided a brief bio of myself.  This is more than can be said for the posters here who view themselves as "gurus" and feel compelled to attack and try to discredit nearly everything I post because it calls their thinking into question.

                  BTW, I don't think I've accused you of posting under multiple member names, but I have accused you of posting writing "FED" to you by others.  If I'm misguided about this, you could avoid confusion by annotating your posts with the persona you have chosen at the time of posting.

                  If you look above at the post you replied to, and seem annoyed by, you'll find it was NOT addressed to you.

                  --Jimmy4164

                  p.s.  Where is all the contact info you mentioned?  I don't see it in your profile.

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                    Stack47 muttered, "Don Catlin is one of over 50 people who writes articles for Casino City Times and I'm one of almost 145,000 that posts on Lottery Post."

                    "145,000 that posts?"  Really?  Quoting that number as the number of [present tense] "posters" is like claiming the number of living and breathing Americans includes all those that have since passed away, rather than the true number in the 312M area.  Have you counted the number of unique LP posters over the last 6 months?  Regardless, comparing LP to CasinoCityTimes is absurd.  Please note that there is only one poster at LP whose identity we all know for sure.  I can send emails to Don Catlin, and probably look him up in Vegas. What are your qualifications?

                    "We can sum up all of Catlin's knowledge about lottery play by reading his article about Richard Lustig.  There are several topics about Lustig on LP that basically make the same conclusions as Catlin."

                    Oh NO!  Back to Lustig!  You apparently believe that since there are people posting at LP who discount Lustig, we can assume they are more expert than Catlin in gaming theory.  As I've said before Stack47, you need to go back to school to try for a clearer view of the forest.

                    "It's possible Catlin never read the book and his article is nothing but quotes from LP."

                    Anything is possible but do you really think he needs to [or would] consult here for his articles?

                    Don Catlin said, "From my past writing on the subject of lotteries my reaction was predictably skeptical."

                    If you enjoyed his understanding of randomness and the lottery, your reaction would be the same.  But you don't, your "Lottery IQ" notwithstanding.

                    "You must think you're the Christopher Columbus of LP who discovered pick-3 games only payoff about 50% of the true odds."

                    No matter how many times you try to imply that I claim to know the mathematical odds better than everyone else here, you fail.  I've posted more often than I like to remember responding to your obfuscations.  What I clearly know and understand better than you is that you can NOT BEAT the odds by looking back at past draws for guidance during your selection process.  The only people making a profit from the gambler's fallacy over the long haul are those who sell software and other services to those who believe it!

                    If anyone really wants to know the psychology behind the Gambler's Fallacy, they will print out, find a quiet place, and carefully read this research report from Denmark:

                    http://www.econ.ku.dk/english/research/publications/wp/dp_2011/1110.pdf/

                    What are you going to do if one or more of your devotees discovers who you really are, and consequently, what motivates you here?

                    --Jimmy4164

                    "Quoting that number as the number of [present tense]"

                    Is common sense a foreign word to you?

                    "Regardless, comparing LP to CasinoCityTimes is absurd."

                    The majority established your opinions are useless, Jimmy. Which part of nobody cares what you think, don't you understand?

                    "I can send emails to Don Catlin, and probably look him up in Vegas."

                    711cat@comcast.net

                    "You apparently believe that since there are people posting at LP who discount Lustig, we can assume they are more expert than Catlin in gaming theory."

                    As usually you assumed wrong. I read Caltin's article on Lustig and his remarks had nothing to do with gaming theory. It was his opinion on Lustig book and worth no more than any of the opinions posted on LP.

                    "Anything is possible but do you really think he needs to [or would] consult here for his articles?"

                    Did he say one thing in his article that wasn't said on LP?

                    "No matter how many times you try to imply that I claim to know the mathematical odds better than everyone else here, you fail."

                    Nobody cares, Jimmy. Really.

                    "If anyone really wants to know the psychology"

                    If must be really tough on you posting on website that nobody cares what you say.

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                      Ronnie316,

                      If you had received the kinds of threatening messages that I received early on, you wouldn't have given up your identity as you have.  Even though you don't seem to pose a threat to anyone here, I think it was foolish to do it.  If you check out my first posts here at LP you'll find that I provided a brief bio of myself.  This is more than can be said for the posters here who view themselves as "gurus" and feel compelled to attack and try to discredit nearly everything I post because it calls their thinking into question.

                      BTW, I don't think I've accused you of posting under multiple member names, but I have accused you of posting writing "FED" to you by others.  If I'm misguided about this, you could avoid confusion by annotating your posts with the persona you have chosen at the time of posting.

                      If you look above at the post you replied to, and seem annoyed by, you'll find it was NOT addressed to you.

                      --Jimmy4164

                      p.s.  Where is all the contact info you mentioned?  I don't see it in your profile.

                      yimmininny4164,

                      With the number of links you post, that "FED" part should have made you fat by now. Pat yourself on the back for being with the in crowd who believe everything on the internet is true. 

                      I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would threaten and can't understand why, if you were threatened, you came back. Makes no sense to me to put my health or life in that situation over something so trivial as lotteries.

                      It comes to mind that people who play jackpot games, Powerball and Mega-Millions, are only looking to beat the odds one time. And history is on their. Every time a person wins a jackpot, the so-called "experts" are wrong. They make the excuse. "He/She got lucky."

                      Of course, when one of these people win on World Poker Tour, they say, "He/She played that perfectly."

                      Ever notice that?

                      P.S. Notice it didn't take long when you were backed in the corner to toss out that old gamblers fallacy. Hope it made you feel better.

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                        Posted: July 3, 2013, 10:14 pm - IP Logged

                        Jammy is a wind bag full of hot air. A timid frightened little creature who hides nervously behind his key board and computer screen making statements like........

                        " Please note that there is only one poster at LP whose identity we all know for sure" 

                        Jammy can up that list to at least 2 because I have posted:

                        My address.

                        Google maps photo of my apt. balcony.

                        My Facebook page.

                        My web site address. 

                        A photograph of my face.

                        My business address and phone number. 

                        Perhaps Jammy would like to give me a call and ask me about my false pretenses and my multiple profiles on LP? Its quite pathetic of Jammy to keep accusing people of having alterior motives and phony profiles. 

                        We all know that Jammy is a loser who doesn't play the lottery, and his only purpose here is to harass and confront people who find enjoyment and entertainment in number picking and lottery play. 

                        "Jammy is a wind bag full of hot air."

                        Looks like I hit a nerve when I talked about Catlin's article on Richard Lustig's book.

                        "Perhaps Jammy would like to give me a call and ask me about my false pretenses and my multiple profiles on LP?"

                        I read a couple of Catlin's articles; did you know he believes a craps shooter can set the dice to roll whatever outcome the want?

                        It wasn't just dice that caught my eye, but how many times he quoted some of the same mathematicians Jimmy quotes. Bet Jimmy read all 162 of Catlin's articles and stole Catlin's style hoping he might empress somebody here.

                        "his only purpose here is to harass and confront people who find enjoyment and entertainment in number picking and lottery play."

                        Wind bag full of hot air sums it all up.


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                          "Quoting that number as the number of [present tense]"

                          Is common sense a foreign word to you?

                          "Regardless, comparing LP to CasinoCityTimes is absurd."

                          The majority established your opinions are useless, Jimmy. Which part of nobody cares what you think, don't you understand?

                          "I can send emails to Don Catlin, and probably look him up in Vegas."

                          711cat@comcast.net

                          "You apparently believe that since there are people posting at LP who discount Lustig, we can assume they are more expert than Catlin in gaming theory."

                          As usually you assumed wrong. I read Caltin's article on Lustig and his remarks had nothing to do with gaming theory. It was his opinion on Lustig book and worth no more than any of the opinions posted on LP.

                          "Anything is possible but do you really think he needs to [or would] consult here for his articles?"

                          Did he say one thing in his article that wasn't said on LP?

                          "No matter how many times you try to imply that I claim to know the mathematical odds better than everyone else here, you fail."

                          Nobody cares, Jimmy. Really.

                          "If anyone really wants to know the psychology"

                          If must be really tough on you posting on website that nobody cares what you say.

                          Stack47,

                          "Nobody cares, Jimmy. Really."

                          Are you sure?

                          If anyone looks above, don't you think they might notice how much YOU care? Wink

                          Now, why don't you, Garyo1954, and Ronnie316 transfer some of the energy you waste trying to discredit me and other mathematicians to the task of PROVING that past lottery draws can be used to increase your chances of winning jackpots?  In other words, [try to] PROVE that the Gambler's Fallacy is not really a fallacy after all.  If you can do it, you'll become famous!

                          What are you going to do if one or more of your devotees discovers who you really are, and consequently, what motivates you here?

                          --Jimmy4164

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                            LOL.

                            The motivation is winning a jackpot.

                            CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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                              LOL.

                              The motivation is winning a jackpot.

                              Green laugh I agree. If Jammy thinks Stack is an alternate persona with ulterior motives, why doesn't he just tell us WHO this mysterious person is and WHY he is consistently here posting on LP ?

                                 
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