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I see you like to make fun of people who post long replies.

 

Except for your buddy Stack.  It's totally not hypocritical to ignore that.

 

It's apparent that you're only here to stroke your ego, and I think it's quite sad, especially that you'd resort to just calling Kimmy an idiot.  How old are you, 6?  Seriously, grow up.

Cry me a river Boney......................Green laugh


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    If someone paid face value for a winning ticket, would it not be a zero profit situation?

    Ronnie316 says, "If someone paid face value for a winning ticket, would it not be a zero profit situation?"

    Actually, the purchaser would lose whatever taxes they would have to pay.  However, even if he/she had to pay as much as Governor Romney's rate of 15%, they would still be paying a much lower price than they would have to pay by buying enough tickets to WIN the same amount.  This would be closer to 50% PLUS whatever taxes they would owe on THAT!

    The question to be answered is how many $Thousands does the scammer have to drop in taxes to be sure the returns on his book sales and/or number pick sales exceed that amount and make it all worth his while.   Smile


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      Somebody recently conjectured that maybe he's advertising and buying winning tickets for cash.  He would have to absorb any tax increase he might experience but he might have a business that's structured in a way that this might not be a problem.  Doesn't this seem like a more plausible explanation for his [apparent] wins?  Who knows, maybe he's got a publisher ready to publish his "How To" book as soon as his reputation gets national attention.  Smile

      No, it doesn't seem more plausible. And I'll tell you why.

      Even If what you're proporting is possible, you'd still have to ask yourself a question, or two.

      First question: Who are the people selling the winning tickets to Peter?

      Second question: (This is the most important question), why do most of those winning tickets have the same amounts matching Steve Player's promotional pictures of checks on his website? The $4,160 amounts.

      Obviously the person who's selling the winning tickets to Peter is only one, or maybe two people who are using Steve's system to win. So then we're stuck in asking how the person selling the tickets to Pete is raking in so much money every month.

      And please don't tell me someone else is selling tickets to the guy who is selling tickets to Pete. Because then i'd ask who is selling tickets to the guy who is selling tickets to the guy who is selling tickets to peter. We'll be here all day.


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        Ronnie316 says, "If someone paid face value for a winning ticket, would it not be a zero profit situation?"

        Actually, the purchaser would lose whatever taxes they would have to pay.  However, even if he/she had to pay as much as Governor Romney's rate of 15%, they would still be paying a much lower price than they would have to pay by buying enough tickets to WIN the same amount.  This would be closer to 50% PLUS whatever taxes they would owe on THAT!

        The question to be answered is how many $Thousands does the scammer have to drop in taxes to be sure the returns on his book sales and/or number pick sales exceed that amount and make it all worth his while.   Smile

        OnlyMoney,

        "First question: Who are the people selling the winning tickets to Peter?"

        They are probably people who don't want others to know they have won, for various reasons.  I'm sure you can think of at least one.  Besides, it makes no difference.

        "Second question: (This is the most important question), why do most of those winning tickets have the same amounts matching Steve Player's promotional pictures of checks on his website? The $4,160 amounts."

        Why not?  Smile

        "Obviously the person who's selling the winning tickets to Peter is only one, or maybe two people who are using Steve's system to win."

        "Obviously?"  Your logic is flawed; the facts don't force the conclusions you are drawing.  Contemplate for a minute.  Can't you think of reasonable alternative answers to your questions?

        I'm sorry OnlyMoney, but I think you need so strongly to believe that somehow these people have figured out a way to profit systematically from Pick-3 & Pick-4 games that you will grasp at any and every straw you can see to reject my suggestions.

        Has it ever occured to you that "Steve Player" could be at the center of the whole scam?

        Can you think of a cheaper way to get publicity for your products?

        --Jimmy4164


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          OnlyMoney,

          "First question: Who are the people selling the winning tickets to Peter?"

          They are probably people who don't want others to know they have won, for various reasons.  I'm sure you can think of at least one.  Besides, it makes no difference.

          "Second question: (This is the most important question), why do most of those winning tickets have the same amounts matching Steve Player's promotional pictures of checks on his website? The $4,160 amounts."

          Why not?  Smile

          "Obviously the person who's selling the winning tickets to Peter is only one, or maybe two people who are using Steve's system to win."

          "Obviously?"  Your logic is flawed; the facts don't force the conclusions you are drawing.  Contemplate for a minute.  Can't you think of reasonable alternative answers to your questions?

          I'm sorry OnlyMoney, but I think you need so strongly to believe that somehow these people have figured out a way to profit systematically from Pick-3 & Pick-4 games that you will grasp at any and every straw you can see to reject my suggestions.

          Has it ever occured to you that "Steve Player" could be at the center of the whole scam?

          Can you think of a cheaper way to get publicity for your products?

          --Jimmy4164

          First of all, I wasn't the one grasping for straws. You are the one that came up with this crazy scheme of some guy selling Pete tickets, So Pete can sell his book Five plus years later. Why would someone wait five years or more before proving themselves? Surely after the first year would be enough proof his system works. You're the one scraping the bottom of the barrel.

          What publicity? If it wasn't for me to point this out, probably no one would even see the connections. So you're telling me Steve and peter have been waiting 5 years now, in the hopes of someone like me to come along and see the parallels, just so Steve can get publicity, and Peter to sell some book five years later. Yeah, that sounds like a successful plan to me. With the majority who have seen this being skeptics, with the exception of one person Stack, and maybe a few others who aren't weighing in on the subject, Steve and Pete may have to find another way to peddle their systems and books. Because If they believe this method is the best marketing plan, then they are truly idiots. Five years of shadowy behavior involving hundreds of thousands in transactions just to sell a handful of systems and books doesn't seem like a viable marketing ploy to me.

          Like I said to another person here on LP. Just because you, I and the masses haven't figured it out does not mean the system doesn't exist.For anyone to think they've got it all figured out, only shows their ignorance, denial, and/or jealousy. And believe me, you wouldn't be the first person I've encountered with those attributes.

          The math and probablity that you use to determine whether someone can make money regularly, isn't the best way in my opinion. Like I stated before, your simulations can't possibly account for every type of strategy in existence. There are too many variables including intuition, strategy, betting structure, betting scheduling, progressive wagering, system types, inside information, and on and on and on.

          For you to say that you've come to the conclusion based on some computer algorithm's simulation is not only irresponsible, but silly at best. Are you sure you're not a Vulcan? Green laugh


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            Obviously the person who's selling the winning tickets to Peter is only one, or maybe two people who are using Steve's system to win. So then we're stuck in asking how the person selling the tickets to Pete is raking in so much money every month.

            Maybe Peter is selling tickets to pay Paul?Disapprove


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              First of all, I wasn't the one grasping for straws. You are the one that came up with this crazy scheme of some guy selling Pete tickets, So Pete can sell his book Five plus years later. Why would someone wait five years or more before proving themselves? Surely after the first year would be enough proof his system works. You're the one scraping the bottom of the barrel.

              What publicity? If it wasn't for me to point this out, probably no one would even see the connections. So you're telling me Steve and peter have been waiting 5 years now, in the hopes of someone like me to come along and see the parallels, just so Steve can get publicity, and Peter to sell some book five years later. Yeah, that sounds like a successful plan to me. With the majority who have seen this being skeptics, with the exception of one person Stack, and maybe a few others who aren't weighing in on the subject, Steve and Pete may have to find another way to peddle their systems and books. Because If they believe this method is the best marketing plan, then they are truly idiots. Five years of shadowy behavior involving hundreds of thousands in transactions just to sell a handful of systems and books doesn't seem like a viable marketing ploy to me.

              Like I said to another person here on LP. Just because you, I and the masses haven't figured it out does not mean the system doesn't exist.For anyone to think they've got it all figured out, only shows their ignorance, denial, and/or jealousy. And believe me, you wouldn't be the first person I've encountered with those attributes.

              The math and probablity that you use to determine whether someone can make money regularly, isn't the best way in my opinion. Like I stated before, your simulations can't possibly account for every type of strategy in existence. There are too many variables including intuition, strategy, betting structure, betting scheduling, progressive wagering, system types, inside information, and on and on and on.

              For you to say that you've come to the conclusion based on some computer algorithm's simulation is not only irresponsible, but silly at best. Are you sure you're not a Vulcan? Green laugh

              OnlyMoney,

              "Like I said to another person here on LP. Just because you, I and the masses haven't figured it out does not mean the system doesn't exist."

              Dream on!

              http://www.steveplayer.com/

              "Over the last 26 years, the MASTER NUMBERS MAN has personally won numerous Pick-5 and Pick-6 LOTTO JACKPOTS and has cashed in thousands of Pick-3 and Pick-4 winners all around the country."

              "YOU TOO CAN BE A WINNER - Let Steve Player show you how!!!"

              If you believe Steve Player knows something about lotteries that Richard Arnold Epstein, Don Catlin, and the WizardOfOdds do not, be my guest, ignore their books and articles and sign up with Steve!

              --Jimmy4164


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                Obviously the person who's selling the winning tickets to Peter is only one, or maybe two people who are using Steve's system to win. So then we're stuck in asking how the person selling the tickets to Pete is raking in so much money every month.

                Maybe Peter is selling tickets to pay Paul?Disapprove

                So Mary can buy that confounded hammer.

                Green laugh

                 

                If I only had a hammer. Smash


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                  OnlyMoney,

                  "Like I said to another person here on LP. Just because you, I and the masses haven't figured it out does not mean the system doesn't exist."

                  Dream on!

                  http://www.steveplayer.com/

                  "Over the last 26 years, the MASTER NUMBERS MAN has personally won numerous Pick-5 and Pick-6 LOTTO JACKPOTS and has cashed in thousands of Pick-3 and Pick-4 winners all around the country."

                  "YOU TOO CAN BE A WINNER - Let Steve Player show you how!!!"

                  If you believe Steve Player knows something about lotteries that Richard Arnold Epstein, Don Catlin, and the WizardOfOdds do not, be my guest, ignore their books and articles and sign up with Steve!

                  --Jimmy4164

                  I'm assuming you either don't bother reading what I write, or skip over some of it. Go back to the earlier pages and see that I have bought a couple of his systems in the past and they were garbage. But a red flag does go up when I see someone in NH winning so much money every month using Steve's system.

                  And of course, you cleverly avoid addressing the issue at hand. Instead of telling me why you think you have it all figured out, you come back with a cheap Steve Player tactic.

                  Jimmy, you must be a genius!

                  I've always wanted to shake the hand of a person who knows everything about everything. Maybe one day we can meet so I can get your autograph. I'm surprised you haven't won multiple Nobel prizes.


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                    I'm assuming you either don't bother reading what I write, or skip over some of it. Go back to the earlier pages and see that I have bought a couple of his systems in the past and they were garbage. But a red flag does go up when I see someone in NH winning so much money every month using Steve's system.

                    And of course, you cleverly avoid addressing the issue at hand. Instead of telling me why you think you have it all figured out, you come back with a cheap Steve Player tactic.

                    Jimmy, you must be a genius!

                    I've always wanted to shake the hand of a person who knows everything about everything. Maybe one day we can meet so I can get your autograph. I'm surprised you haven't won multiple Nobel prizes.

                    I forgot to add, you probably also haven't read what I wrote earlier about this too, or simply ignored it. I said It was possible Pete was modifying Steve's numbers to win so much, so often. I wasn't putting so much emphasis on Steve's system in particular, but how Pete may be tweaking the numbers.


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                      OnlyMoney,

                      "First question: Who are the people selling the winning tickets to Peter?"

                      They are probably people who don't want others to know they have won, for various reasons.  I'm sure you can think of at least one.  Besides, it makes no difference.

                      "Second question: (This is the most important question), why do most of those winning tickets have the same amounts matching Steve Player's promotional pictures of checks on his website? The $4,160 amounts."

                      Why not?  Smile

                      "Obviously the person who's selling the winning tickets to Peter is only one, or maybe two people who are using Steve's system to win."

                      "Obviously?"  Your logic is flawed; the facts don't force the conclusions you are drawing.  Contemplate for a minute.  Can't you think of reasonable alternative answers to your questions?

                      I'm sorry OnlyMoney, but I think you need so strongly to believe that somehow these people have figured out a way to profit systematically from Pick-3 & Pick-4 games that you will grasp at any and every straw you can see to reject my suggestions.

                      Has it ever occured to you that "Steve Player" could be at the center of the whole scam?

                      Can you think of a cheaper way to get publicity for your products?

                      --Jimmy4164

                      OnlyMoney,

                      I've given you plenty of food for thought to fathom how these people could be scamming you.

                      If you'd rather believe they can defy the basic math of the lottery, it's your choice.

                      I rest my case.

                      --Jimmy4164


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                        OnlyMoney,

                        I've given you plenty of food for thought to fathom how these people could be scamming you.

                        If you'd rather believe they can defy the basic math of the lottery, it's your choice.

                        I rest my case.

                        --Jimmy4164

                        And I've given you plenty of reasons why your theories are rediculous.

                        To declare that you're 100% positive there is no way for Peter to beat the system based on some vague computer simulation program is much harder to believe.

                        So when do you think Peter St. Pierre's "How to" Lottery book will be sold? Since he's been waiting five years now, maybe he'll wait another 10 years before he decides to write a book. Afterall, that's what the majority of system sellers do when they want to sell a book. They wait for decades hoping one or two people will scour through some state's lottery site, put two and two together and buy a few copies of their book. You're right Jimmy, that sounds much more plausible. Crazy

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                          "How many rolls on a Craps table the average player should see in a lifetime doesn't even come close to answering can anyone make an income from lottery winnings."

                           

                          Then maybe you shouldn't mention it and then chastize me for exposing a hole in your logic.

                           

                          "Millions of people play the pick-3 every day and the lotteries payout millions in prizes. How can you logically believe not one player can make a steady income?"

                           

                          First of all, I never said that nobody is ahead, just that a vast majority of people are behind.  And nobody is making steady income, because the game - by definition - is not steady.

                           

                          But yeah keep putting words in my mouth. You're basically arguing with yourself at this point, because everytime you counter me, you're countering something I never said.

                          "Then maybe you shouldn't mention it and then chastize me for exposing a hole in your logic."

                          I don't see the point of estimating how many sessions and rolls the average Craps player sees in a life time because their next session is a new event. I didn't start making making Field bets and chase the "2" and "12" because once out of 100 sessions I rolled those number in succession and watched someone make a huge score.

                          Craps was and always will be about the timing regardless of how many rolls one sees.

                          "And nobody is making steady income, because the game - by definition - is not steady."

                          A steady income means just that; like a job and collect a paycheck every week. We haven't really discussed how someone could do it, but there are players that are consistently winning much more than the average.

                          "But yeah keep putting words in my mouth."

                          I didn't put words in your mouth when you said would give me 799 to 1 odds on any pick-3 number. You're always talking about how bad the odds are and I simply asked why anyone would risk $799 to win a buck?

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                            And I've given you plenty of reasons why your theories are rediculous.

                            To declare that you're 100% positive there is no way for Peter to beat the system based on some vague computer simulation program is much harder to believe.

                            So when do you think Peter St. Pierre's "How to" Lottery book will be sold? Since he's been waiting five years now, maybe he'll wait another 10 years before he decides to write a book. Afterall, that's what the majority of system sellers do when they want to sell a book. They wait for decades hoping one or two people will scour through some state's lottery site, put two and two together and buy a few copies of their book. You're right Jimmy, that sounds much more plausible. Crazy

                            Jimmy calls himself a "critical thinker" and then he conjures up a fairy tale about St. Pierre.

                            LOL


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                              Jimmy calls himself a "critical thinker" and then he conjures up a fairy tale about St. Pierre.

                              LOL

                              A children's fairy tale is more believable than what poor Peter St. Pierre, according to Jimmy, has to put himself through to sell a book some five or ten years later.

                              I'm really hoping Peter is seeing this. He must pissing himself while sitting poolside perusing his online bank account balance. Green laugh

                                 
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