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Posted: August 10, 2015, 2:58 pm - IP Logged

.....Folks winning the lottery? If you are an Atheist, what be your thoughts on the matter- pure luck, coincidence or what?

* Please NO insults- Thanks in advance. 

People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it- George Bernard Shaw.

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    Nope, I don't believe that god or whichever higher power allots wins.

    Luck of the draw and statistics.

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       I find it interesting that Mankind places human characteristics upon GOD.  Man plans God laughs. Since I was born and raised here in America then I have Christian beliefs. I kind of soaked them into me.

       The closest that I have come to understand God is when I learn about String Theory.  String Theory is chaos underneath order.  This is trying to understand the Universe.  Good Luck with all that !

       I've been rich and I've been poor. Believe me, rich is better. 

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        As an atheist I can say: It's nothing but pure luck. No karma is controlling who will win.

        If there really was a god or karma involved in controlling who would win, would it let criminals and pedophiles win?

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          Posted: August 10, 2015, 6:34 pm - IP Logged

          While I believe that the almighty deity has a hand in what numbers that come up or who wins, there has to be a smidge of luck. From someone who cuts ahead of you in line, to finding a misplaced ticket  or playing for the first time and winning the big prize.

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            .....Folks winning the lottery? If you are an Atheist, what be your thoughts on the matter- pure luck, coincidence or what?

            * Please NO insults- Thanks in advance. 

            What is this "other" Higher Power that you speak of, that is not "God"?

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              What is this "other" Higher Power that you speak of, that is not "God"?

              l am covering all my bases by not simply speaking from a Christian POV. There are those who do not subscribe to the God of the bible. For instance Hindus consider their gods to be " higher powers". As l mentioned, no insults. I am not an idiot, l know what l am doing. For instance the Jewish people do not recognize Jesus as the Son of God. So your question is in many ways Moot.Play along or take your toys and go sit in the corner. 

              People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it- George Bernard Shaw.

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                Posted: August 10, 2015, 7:42 pm - IP Logged

                As an atheist I can say: It's nothing but pure luck. No karma is controlling who will win.

                If there really was a god or karma involved in controlling who would win, would it let criminals and pedophiles win?

                MillionsWanted,

                You asked a very good question!

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                  Posted: August 10, 2015, 9:53 pm - IP Logged

                  MillionsWanted asked a very tough question, who knows, fallen angels getting involved?

                  Sometimes I think, just to entertain Himself, God lets people who he knows won't be able to handle it win a big jackpot. Curse of the Lottery show type thing.

                  In sports betting people always wonder of God roots for one team or another. One reply is God doesn't care who wins a football game....unless it's Notre Dame versus SMU or BYU!

                  Lep

                  Joke:
                  A bunch of seminary students were arguing about which order to belong to. (All Catholic priests belong to an order).
                  The next morning when they walked in to the classroom, there was some writing on the blackboard:

                  All orders are equal.
                  God, SJ

                  (SJ is the Jesuits, Society of Jesus)

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    Posted: August 10, 2015, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

                    No. God is against gambling.

                    Take Risks: If you win, you'll be happy.  If you lose, you will be wiser...

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                      Posted: August 10, 2015, 11:03 pm - IP Logged

                      No. God is against gambling.

                      So when people who do win say that " Thank you God" what exactly are they saying? How about those winners who say they going to contribute mightily to their Church or place of Worship? Are they delusional in thinking that the Creator has something to do with their win?

                      A Yes or No answer would suffice Funtimz.

                      People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it- George Bernard Shaw.

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                        No. God is against gambling.

                        Well, I had to dig up the notes in a Notepad document I had saved from a discussion I had a couple of yrs. back with an online friend, but the Bible warns against loving money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5) and it also warns about trying to get rich quick (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10).  I don't think the Bible specifically mentions "gambling" but there are some instances in the Bible where it specifically refers to "casting lots" to divide up land, to choose between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat and also when Nehemiah cast lots to see who would live within the walls of Jerusalem.  The disciples cast lots to see who would replace Judas, as well.   

                        Proverbs 16:33 says, “The lot is cast in the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.” I know many Christians believe in predestination and if that's the case, then God has already determined whether you'll win or not....and if He allows you to win, then how can you say He is against gambling? (Of course, He allows many things to happen that are against His will -  that's one of the reasons my own beliefs have changed.  I now consider myself an "optimistic agnostic".)

                        Personally, I think gambling is like many other things we should do in moderation, no matter if you're religious or not.  To me, it's a "sin" for someone to spend money on...say, booze...when their children are going without basic needs.  I've seen people struggle with their rent just because they were making a payment on a luxury automobile.  I've seen couples have trouble making ends meet because either the wife or the husband refused to give up things they insist they "need", be it the husband's weekly poker night with the boys or the wife's regular visit to the nail salon, or thinking their kids have to have $200 sneakers because the other kids have them too.   I think the lottery is one of those things that should be the last items in a budget;  if you can afford to play and it doesn't deprive your family, then have at it.


                        You can't always get what you want
                        But if you try sometime you just might find
                        You get what you need

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                          l am covering all my bases by not simply speaking from a Christian POV. There are those who do not subscribe to the God of the bible. For instance Hindus consider their gods to be " higher powers". As l mentioned, no insults. I am not an idiot, l know what l am doing. For instance the Jewish people do not recognize Jesus as the Son of God. So your question is in many ways Moot.Play along or take your toys and go sit in the corner. 

                          I doubt you know what you are doing disparaging other religions while questioning others' thoughts and beliefs in favor of your own. You seem to have no problem posting your beliefs while discouraging others from posting theirs.

                          The core of Chrisitanity is rooted in the Jewish religion, but totally opposed to the principle. It's not that the Jews don't believe in Jesus. They accept Jesus as prophet, the same as Muslims do. The Jewish messiah, a word the Christians use for savior simply means anointed one, not savior, demi-god. The notion of an innocent, divine, half person/god who sacrifices himself to save the rest of humanity is totally a Christian idea. For these reasons the Jews have come to refer to their messiah as the mashiach, the true anointed one.

                          In truth Jesus was never divine until Paul entered and created the picture we see today. And who vouches for what Paul says? Only Paul. How strange. All the prophets testify of a god, but only Paul testifies of Paul.

                          I thank you to speak on religions you know about.

                          As to your question,  gods do not mettle in the affairs of man. One may find favor but just because 50,001 persons are praying for one team and 57,468 are praying for the other does nothing to bring a god into play. It would be a petty god to create all this, and give free will, only to micromanage every detail such as whether we get rain in my town and how much falls. Not to mention free will is worthless if he who gave it continued to block its use.

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                            garyo1954,

                            Nowhere does Christian doctrine say half person / god.

                            It's fully human and fully God.

                            The muslim 'Jesus' isn't Jesus either. They say it was a substitute that was crucified and Jesus is going to come back and say he had it all wrong, and he's now a muslim and is going to kill all the Jews and Christians.

                            Maybe you should speak of religions you know about, if any.

                            You also might want to consider Messianic Jews.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              garyo1954,

                              Nowhere does Christian doctrine say half person / god.

                              It's fully human and fully God.

                              The muslim 'Jesus' isn't Jesus either. They say it was a substitute that was crucified and Jesus is going to come back and say he had it all wrong, and he's now a muslim and is going to kill all the Jews and Christians.

                              Maybe you should speak of religions you know about, if any.

                              You also might want to consider Messianic Jews.

                              Whoa there Hoss! I'm not the one making statements that start with "they say...." so do a little research before engaging your mouth.

                              Start by explaining fully human/fully god.

                              Never said the Christian doctrine said that, but being born of a human and fathered by a god, what would you call that? Same as the Greeks demi-gods, no? 

                              Paul built that part into it. So argue with Paul. The same as Paul argued with the Jews at the temple, and argued with Peter, and well, who didn't Paul argue? You two should enjoy each others company.

                              What do you know about Messianic Jews? Nothing...or less than you know about Christianity, Judism, how people play the lottery, which is proved time and time again in another thread.

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