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code breaking and the LOtto...

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Honduras
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Posted: May 28, 2006, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

Guys, yesterday i saw a program on Tv about codes, on
the history channel. It was about the history of code
encryption and code breaking during world war I and
world warII. And men, you all should have seen it. It
tells you how germany in both wars, developed a
machine for code encryption, one of which was called:
enigma, and how Polish people without ever seen one
of those machines, broke germany's code...And how the machines evolved from
having 2 rotors to 4 and 6 rotors, and how it got even
more complicated with the advent of computers. And even when the machines had 4 and 6 rotors, they were groups of people that broke the encryption...And is
even worse they got now computers and Supercomputers. And my thing
is guys, if these Europeans could break mind boggling
and toppling codes, codes so complex, you are going to
tell me, that maybe somebody doesn't have a out of this
world wheel or that they can't crack the lotto?
Please, the program left me with the mouth open. And
now that they got Supercomputers that can do the
calculation for somebody? They may not be able to crack the lotto machines, (who
knows)but a RNG, they could, who knows...It makes you
wonder...What do you all think..

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    Honduras
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    Posted: May 28, 2006, 8:49 pm - IP Logged

    Guys, I believe code breaking by hand is 10 times harder than trying to crack the lottery, specially when the lottery has trends, and some patterns. So if these guys made it in WWI & II what makes you think that someone outthere hasn't develop the ingenuity to do the same with the lotto...Nowadays, they got computers and supercomputers that can do the calculations, and math involved in code breaking (same thing with encoding them too)..Guys, i see trends, and patterns in lottery that no lotto software can do. so what makes you think that someone has developed the technology...Perhaps it will be difficult with the lotto machines since they do pretesting, but what about simulations using a RNG?Back then in WW I and II they didn't have wheels/permutations like we do today. I am so convinced that someone outthere is advanced enough.. Something to think about!!...

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      Posted: May 28, 2006, 9:12 pm - IP Logged

      Pumpi:

       Definitely something to think about.

      The lotteries have the resources to try it.  Maybe they've succeeded.

      Jack

       

       

       

       

       

       

      Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

      It's about number behavior.

      Egos don't count.

       

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        I don't know how to really explain myself, but I see the lottery and codes as two different things. A encrypted code is created by someone to hide something and the lottery...well it's a game of chance. Yes the lottery may have patterns and trends, but I don't see how they are the same. Of course I may be wrong.

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          It seems to me that you guys would be disappointed in a thing like that.... why?
          It seems to m that someone figuring out the lotto would be a GOOD thing. What ? are you jealous because you can't ? Honestly, I just don't understand some of the logic on here at all.

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            Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:17 pm - IP Logged

            It seems to me that you guys would be disappointed in a thing like that.... why?
            It seems to m that someone figuring out the lotto would be a GOOD thing. What ? are you jealous because you can't ? Honestly, I just don't understand some of the logic on here at all.

            It seems to me that you guys would be disappointed in a thing like that.... why?

            If you believe that you believe incorrectly.  At least where I'm concerned. 

             It seems to m that someone figuring out the lotto would be a GOOD thing.

             It's difficult to see why it would be good, or bad, except for the person who figured it out.  For that person the issues of good and bad would be the results of decisions and choices following the completion of figuring it out.

            What ? are you jealous because you can't ?

            You assume much.  I don't entertain any thoughts at all that I can't figure it out.

            However, I agree there's some cause to believe a lot of people on LP don't believe it can be figured out.  They probably base that belief on the fact they, themselves. haven't done so. 

            Jack

             

            Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

            It's about number behavior.

            Egos don't count.

             

            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

             

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              Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:22 pm - IP Logged
               

              Personally, I think that the computerized draws have already been cracked by people, very smart people, and guess what they are not going to tell you or me how and that they have done so!

              What would you do if you cracked the code? And knew what the computerized draw would be each day? Would you go around telling everyone? NO! You may give family numbers to help them but you would not tell the world of course.

               

              Again computerized drawings I feel can and already have been hacked and cracked
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                Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:24 pm - IP Logged

                lol, thanks rip snorter, I think you put it in a much more fashionable manner than I. Been blunt and tactless all my life like that. I try to be careful what I say on my posts, honestly I do.

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                  Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:32 pm - IP Logged

                  I think many people has the code.

                  When the lotto reaches very high, some one wins.

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                    Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:41 pm - IP Logged

                    well it sure isn't me. (I wish) But I think you are wrong on that winning thing. In fact, I believe a winner is just around the corner on (yes) both jackpots of mm and pb.

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                      Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:42 pm - IP Logged
                       

                      Personally, I think that the computerized draws have already been cracked by people, very smart people, and guess what they are not going to tell you or me how and that they have done so!

                      What would you do if you cracked the code? And knew what the computerized draw would be each day? Would you go around telling everyone? NO! You may give family numbers to help them but you would not tell the world of course.

                       

                      Again computerized drawings I feel can and already have been hacked and cracked

                      You and I only differ in this instance, insofar as whether it's limited to RNGs.

                      I agree there's no reason I can think of for a person who'd gone to all the trouble to puzzle it out to tell anyone else how to do it. 

                      Where we'd disagree is in the assumption the person would have to be particularly smart.  Persevering, persistent, confident, strong willed, yes.  Smart?  No.

                      Probably the people who built Stonehenge could have figured the lotteries out in about a week.  My thought is that it's a tougher job of work for we moderns.

                      Jack

                      Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                      It's about number behavior.

                      Egos don't count.

                       

                      Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                       

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                        Posted: May 28, 2006, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

                        It seems to me that you guys would be disappointed in a thing like that.... why?
                        It seems to m that someone figuring out the lotto would be a GOOD thing. What ? are you jealous because you can't ? Honestly, I just don't understand some of the logic on here at all.

                        I don't believe I or anyone else said it was bad if someone figure out how to beat the lottery. I said I don't think codes and the lotto are the same. How does that make me or anyone else jealous?

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                          Posted: May 28, 2006, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

                          go back and read rip snorter's post again, hun.... that is what I was getting at. It is the whole tone of the posts that make me wonder.

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                            Posted: May 28, 2006, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

                            bellyache:

                            I don't believe spy153 was referring to your post.  For that matter, I don't believe he was particularly responding to anything on this thread.

                            More likely he was observing a phenomenon that's pervasive here.  It's something I've puzzled over since my earliest days at LP.  The rancor and venom LP members reserve for people who believe they've figured out the lotteries, the numbers, and for those who believe they can do so, if they haven't already.

                            The case of a guy named Alonzo comes to mind.  He announced he'd beaten the lottery code, as he dubbed it.  He was vilified for days by the users of the systems forum, many of whom are still here.

                            So he answered their challenge.  Several hours before the MM draw he posted 17 numbers which would include all the balls that would hit that night on MM.  And a red ball.  Four of the whites and the red hit.

                            Suddenly those who'd belittled him were his friends and worshipers.  Shamelessly, those smartypantses licked between his toes trying to get him to reveal how he'd done it.

                            After a while of that, he exited the scene.

                            Jack 

                            Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                            It's about number behavior.

                            Egos don't count.

                             

                            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                             

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                              Posted: May 28, 2006, 11:10 pm - IP Logged

                              there, see, he did it again.   thanks again rip snorter.

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