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four4me's avatar - gate1
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Posted: June 20, 2006, 9:47 pm - IP Logged

one of the reasons one state might have the same numbers as described (traveling numbers) is because the various state lotteries use the same equipment and the balls are from the same supplier and the lottery balls are basically from the same batch or extruder. Each ball fits a certain parameter plus or minus a gram or so.

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    Jack I've see Stgermains checks you know the big cardboard ones you get at the lottery HQ. with him in the picture. I also saw the tickets as he sent me some copyies of same.

    And are still on file with chicago lottery i'm sure.

    At one time i posted those pictures but they didn't stay on the thread long. Todd might have them somewhere in his records.  

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      Posted: June 20, 2006, 10:02 pm - IP Logged

      "But for the most part, I think it is the fact some of the people here think they are by far the smartest people they know, and if they can't figure it out nobody else can either, especially a newbie."....Bryan


      These people are likely to continue to think that way until a LP member or someone else prove them wrong by winning a jackpot using a system.  Even then they may think it was just luck unless it's repeated.

      RJOh

      RJOh,

      A repeat? By that time, the newbie who has been bitten into by every piranha in the place is thinking why am I trying to help these people, they're a bunch of @$$#$. Why would they possibly want to continue? A few..maybe..to prove a point, but I think the majority would say hey I'm winning and I tried to help, but I don't need this. I'm winning and that is all that matters...  cya!

      And you know as well as I do all it takes for some people in here is for a newbie to say, "Hi I have an idea" and the feeding frenzy begins...

       

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        Jack I've see Stgermains checks you know the big cardboard ones you get at the lottery HQ. with him in the picture. I also saw the tickets as he sent me some copyies of same.

        And are still on file with chicago lottery i'm sure.

        At one time i posted those pictures but they didn't stay on the thread long. Todd might have them somewhere in his records.  

        Larry:

        I don't disbelieve you.  In fact I believe you completely.  I also believe the entire hypothesis I put forth in my last post is true.

        But I put it forth as a hypothesis in order to get past the barrier and the litanies of "it can't be true".

        It could never be discussed if put forth as fact because of the jackals.  But as a hypothesis, there's no smell of blood.  Nothing they can sink their teeth into.

        And on this thread there's no pore weak old creaky critter who's going to stand still while they hamstring and gut him.

        Jack

        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

        It's about number behavior.

        Egos don't count.

         

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          Posted: June 20, 2006, 10:41 pm - IP Logged

          This thead is very interesting, so I'll jump in.

          The fact is that anyone with a genuine winning system would be insane to share it for a number of reasons:

          A. A winning secret would no longer be a secret.

          B. If it was too widely shared, the states would change the game.

          C. Many years of hard and valuable work would go right down the drain.

          Why do posters fight over systems and denegrate others?  I suspect ego is the main reason.  True lottery system fans must have a high self esteem to continue the hunt for something the average person would scoff at.  Why?  Because we are told it is impossible to develop a system and we should just ask for a quick pick, cheerfully hand over our hard-earned money, smile and leave until the next time. 

          That is the true goal of the state lottery commissions.  They are in business to make money for their employers and that means encouraging the belief that winning is sheer luck.  Without that belief, the lottery would collapse and we would lose the hope of building a goose that could lay a golden egg. 

          In conclusion, the lottery commission's business plan is based on hope and resignation as much and the IRS's system is based on fear and the Wizard of Oz's system was based on awe and mystery.  They all have their business plan and, believe me, they work them like crazy. 

          Would I be crass or heartless to keep my secrets to myself?  It depends on which side of the answer you reside.

          Orangeman                                                          Big Grin

          Nice post Orangeman.  Thanks.

          There's a lot of merit to what you say.  But I believe there are circumstances, such as those LottoVantage is experiencing, that might make it an overstatement to say anyone who shares the system is insane.

          Having said that, however, I think he's the exception proving the rule.

          Would I be crass or heartless to keep my secrets to myself?  It depends on which side of the answer you reside.

          I came to LP with a rosy cheeked attitude I'm almost ashamed to recall.  I suppose I thought a person might as well share what's found out.  Alonzo Wright's experience was a jarring thing to watch, for me.  It began the process of thinking in the reality of how things are, instead of how I might wish they were.

          I still have a friend or two on LP I'd probably share a good find with.  But I believe you've about got it right for any general sharing.  A person would truly be casting pearls before swine in a lot of cases, using himself for a pistol range target in a lot of others, and assuring the lotteries would immediately take extraordinary measures in damage control.

          Which is to say, I might toss out a morsel just for the hell of it, but I'll do my best not to share anything important with LP members, should the occasion arise I had something to share.  And I'd advise, if I were giving advice (which I ain't) the same course to every other LP member who stumbles across anything.

          Gracias,

          Jack 

          Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

          It's about number behavior.

          Egos don't count.

           

          Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

           


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            The Ilk Rip is talking about, wants to walk before they crawl. And I believe we all have that trait, but something separates the humble and open minded, from the drive-thru, quick service mentality we've been fed. Some people fit the open category, and some fit the "Now Now Now" category. Instant gratification was always my weakest link in the chain of life. Guess what happened? I grew up....LOL

            As far as the agents, well......The system is designed so as to never be in the red. So I think their jobs would be somewhat obsolete. But I don't know enough about the subject to do it justice.

            Great thread Jack, people who replied....( I read 98 percent), and Todd for your wisdom. The responses were not only informative but entertaining....

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              Pac

              You are right, this has been very informative and entertaining, and eye-opening. Ordinarily, in my younger days, I wouldn't have even looked at a thread like this, unless it was titled "WIN HERE NOW!", however, with my mind becoming more open as I get long in the tooth, I like to look for "pearls" of wisdom that can carry us on during the chase for the Lotto Holy Grail!

              BTW, Get Back to Work on the 9-Day System!!! LOL just kidding, buddy! I hope we can get that one straight!!!

              The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

              Stooges

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                  Now for some humor in real time.

                  I don't know what happened, but after I finnished reading this thread.

                  I Farted Very Loud.  

                  And it sounded like RiPPPP-SSnooRT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

                  Whew!!! Big Grin

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                    i like you jack.i like your attitude,your style,your vitality,your courage,your persistance.did i say i liked your style? i ain't but 31 amigo but don't be crowding in front of me to leave this reality anytime soon.it would be nice to see you posting here in the year 2050.and a jackpot winner at that.

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                      Yes Nod

                      Which is to say, I might toss out a morsel just for the hell of it, but I'll do my best not to share anything important with LP members, should the occasion arise I had something to share.  And I'd advise, if I were giving advice (which I ain't) the same course to every other LP member who stumbles across anything.

                      Sound like to me you are speaking from both ends, Jack.  I remember you led the pack against me when I wouldn't share my lead number and pointers workouts.  People were hitting and for months on end pm'd me for the numbers after I stopped posting.  You convinced them they couldn't depend on me and that it was wrong to wait for someone to post something once a week for them and all I wanted to do was lead them by a string.  All lies.  You accused me of playing games and ego tripping.  Me being willing to share the results of the workout was not enough.  The pot can't call the kettle black.

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                        i like you jack.i like your attitude,your style,your vitality,your courage,your persistance.did i say i liked your style? i ain't but 31 amigo but don't be crowding in front of me to leave this reality anytime soon.it would be nice to see you posting here in the year 2050.and a jackpot winner at that.

                        LottoMike:

                        I'll take it under advisement.

                        Gracias

                        Jack

                        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                        It's about number behavior.

                        Egos don't count.

                         

                        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                         

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                          The Ilk Rip is talking about, wants to walk before they crawl. And I believe we all have that trait, but something separates the humble and open minded, from the drive-thru, quick service mentality we've been fed. Some people fit the open category, and some fit the "Now Now Now" category. Instant gratification was always my weakest link in the chain of life. Guess what happened? I grew up....LOL

                          As far as the agents, well......The system is designed so as to never be in the red. So I think their jobs would be somewhat obsolete. But I don't know enough about the subject to do it justice.

                          Great thread Jack, people who replied....( I read 98 percent), and Todd for your wisdom. The responses were not only informative but entertaining....

                          pac - i read the 2% you didn't - we got it covered!!

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                            A few thoughts about the thread, that gets weirder by the minute:

                            1. Accusing Jack of being an "agent" for the state lotteries is so laughable that I really shouldn't even mention it, so I'm doing so only so that newbies don't get confused.
                            2. I'm really confused when people say the lotteries make changes to their games in order to thwart peoples' winning systems.  Maybe someone could enlighten me as to what changes they could possibly make to thwart a system?  What, do they shine up the lottery balls 'specially shiney or something?  If someone could give me a concrete example of something a lottery has done to thwart players, I would be grateful.
                            3. Yes, many state lottery representatives browse these forums, as they should.  Rather than thinking that they are somehow stealing vital information from the players, you guys (and gals) should be thankful that they are interested in what you are saying about their games.  We should be encouraging them to listen to us, rather than trying to throw up smoke screens to hide from them.  If you have concocted the "secret forumla" and don't want anyone to know, then don't post it on the public forums.  Doesn't that make sense?
                            Ok I'll try and give some examples of how the lottery effectively change a posters system so he couldn't win using that system. Stgermain won lil lotto so many times using a system he developed. When he went to lottery H.Q. to cash tickets they knew him by first name. He inadvertently told someone about his system and they changed the matrix of the game ( added more balls. ) he hasn't been close ever since.

                            In Maryland they stopped letting people pick the machines and ball sets they use for drawings. Now a computer picks the machines and ball sets they will use for each and every pick 3/4 game. If your system is designed around hits, skips, misses, and cold, hot numbers then it's flawed because humans are habitual in that they tend to favor certain things like selecting the same machines and balls for every drawing they conduct. When they took the human element out of the machine and ball selection they effectively change the out come of the drawings. to see how or what i am referring to just compare the last years drawing history with previous years. You can see a distinct change.

                            I am definitely going to weigh in here as this subject hits very close to home.

                            First,  I am a dedicated lottery player and have played steady for about 11 years.

                            Having studied on how to catch numbers using my methods that I have described in full and at some

                            distance with four4me. I was able to find a solution in how to win the little lotto jackpots twice in the year 2000. I also have won many,many little prizes everyday with 3of 5 and 4 of 5 multiple times. Those payouts on a daily basis ranged from 650 dollars to 1200 to 1700 dollars  a day and lasted for many days. Yes, I consider myself a lucky S.O.B.

                            I was on this winning streak long before I ever heard of the lotto post and only learned of it last year when four4me had told me about it. That's when I started having correspondence with him through e-mails, letters and on the phone. I also shared with him my ideas,thoughts and methods. Today, I consider four4me ...my friend.

                            So, the lotto's everywhere can be beaten...with time, determination and money. Lot's of money.

                            Something I am sure that most of us do not have. So, I've developed my own wheels whereas, I would only spend 40 to 60 dollars  whenever I would play. Today , I have created one for just the megagame.  I come close with this one also and will one day capture this game too.

                            Secondly, todd has asked if anyone out here would know of any method that the lottery people would use to twart anyone's use of systems. Well todd, I don't know for sure but at the height of my winning  constantly and of course my big mouth. A lot of people were getting wind of what I was doing. I even taught a friend of mine when working at the phone company and he went nuts when he was bringing home several hundred of dollars a day just through the lottery. Shortly afterward my friend had told me that the state of illinois was introducing some "new software" for the little lotto.

                            I said "Software!...what the hell has software got to do with the lotto". About that time , they also changed the matrix from 5/30 to 5/39.

                            I guess..my question to todd is " What was that software and can you find out what it was".

                            Yes, there are probaly agents probing the web and this site to see what "improvements" they may make.

                            Anyways, this was way before I ever heard of this site. Yes, you can beat any system if you have the strong desire to do so. Just keep it simple.

                            Since then, I do come mighty close a lot of times ...my last number always one digit off from winning. the jackpot....but the state of illinois has made it a lot harder to win...but people are winning everyday..mostly from quickpicks but some still win money using systems of their own.
                            I guess what I am saying is that the state doesn't make it any easier but they also" are not" trying not to make you not win.  So, how about it , Todd...What was that software introduced into my game?

                            If you have any doubts about my story and results...that would be just too bad.  Sometimes...you just have to have faith....in yourself..your friends ...and in your bank...who by the way holds all of my money. 

                            AIRBORNE!!!!    ALL THE WAY  !!!

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                              i'm rooting for you there st. germain.you also taught me a few new tricks when lotto 5 first come out and i'm thankful.got the 4 of 5 a few times but now spending maybe 20 a draw if i do play.waiting for my bank to build back up to play more of my numbers.you'll get it.i honestly believe with a little bit of luck and the right numbers it can be done.the thing is to have patience.there are at least a half million combinations just in the 5/39 game.you just have to stick with it for the long haul and have confidence.........