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Posted: June 21, 2006, 10:08 pm - IP Logged

A few thoughts about the thread, that gets weirder by the minute:

  1. Accusing Jack of being an "agent" for the state lotteries is so laughable that I really shouldn't even mention it, so I'm doing so only so that newbies don't get confused.
  2. I'm really confused when people say the lotteries make changes to their games in order to thwart peoples' winning systems.  Maybe someone could enlighten me as to what changes they could possibly make to thwart a system?  What, do they shine up the lottery balls 'specially shiney or something?  If someone could give me a concrete example of something a lottery has done to thwart players, I would be grateful.
  3. Yes, many state lottery representatives browse these forums, as they should.  Rather than thinking that they are somehow stealing vital information from the players, you guys (and gals) should be thankful that they are interested in what you are saying about their games.  We should be encouraging them to listen to us, rather than trying to throw up smoke screens to hide from them.  If you have concocted the "secret forumla" and don't want anyone to know, then don't post it on the public forums.  Doesn't that make sense?
Ok I'll try and give some examples of how the lottery effectively change a posters system so he couldn't win using that system. Stgermain won lil lotto so many times using a system he developed. When he went to lottery H.Q. to cash tickets they knew him by first name. He inadvertently told someone about his system and they changed the matrix of the game ( added more balls. ) he hasn't been close ever since.

In Maryland they stopped letting people pick the machines and ball sets they use for drawings. Now a computer picks the machines and ball sets they will use for each and every pick 3/4 game. If your system is designed around hits, skips, misses, and cold, hot numbers then it's flawed because humans are habitual in that they tend to favor certain things like selecting the same machines and balls for every drawing they conduct. When they took the human element out of the machine and ball selection they effectively change the out come of the drawings. to see how or what i am referring to just compare the last years drawing history with previous years. You can see a distinct change.

I am definitely going to weigh in here as this subject hits very close to home.

First,  I am a dedicated lottery player and have played steady for about 11 years.

Having studied on how to catch numbers using my methods that I have described in full and at some

distance with four4me. I was able to find a solution in how to win the little lotto jackpots twice in the year 2000. I also have won many,many little prizes everyday with 3of 5 and 4 of 5 multiple times. Those payouts on a daily basis ranged from 650 dollars to 1200 to 1700 dollars  a day and lasted for many days. Yes, I consider myself a lucky S.O.B.

I was on this winning streak long before I ever heard of the lotto post and only learned of it last year when four4me had told me about it. That's when I started having correspondence with him through e-mails, letters and on the phone. I also shared with him my ideas,thoughts and methods. Today, I consider four4me ...my friend.

So, the lotto's everywhere can be beaten...with time, determination and money. Lot's of money.

Something I am sure that most of us do not have. So, I've developed my own wheels whereas, I would only spend 40 to 60 dollars  whenever I would play. Today , I have created one for just the megagame.  I come close with this one also and will one day capture this game too.

Secondly, todd has asked if anyone out here would know of any method that the lottery people would use to twart anyone's use of systems. Well todd, I don't know for sure but at the height of my winning  constantly and of course my big mouth. A lot of people were getting wind of what I was doing. I even taught a friend of mine when working at the phone company and he went nuts when he was bringing home several hundred of dollars a day just through the lottery. Shortly afterward my friend had told me that the state of illinois was introducing some "new software" for the little lotto.

I said "Software!...what the hell has software got to do with the lotto". About that time , they also changed the matrix from 5/30 to 5/39.

I guess..my question to todd is " What was that software and can you find out what it was".

Yes, there are probaly agents probing the web and this site to see what "improvements" they may make.

Anyways, this was way before I ever heard of this site. Yes, you can beat any system if you have the strong desire to do so. Just keep it simple.

Since then, I do come mighty close a lot of times ...my last number always one digit off from winning. the jackpot....but the state of illinois has made it a lot harder to win...but people are winning everyday..mostly from quickpicks but some still win money using systems of their own.
I guess what I am saying is that the state doesn't make it any easier but they also" are not" trying not to make you not win.  So, how about it , Todd...What was that software introduced into my game?

If you have any doubts about my story and results...that would be just too bad.  Sometimes...you just have to have faith....in yourself..your friends ...and in your bank...who by the way holds all of my money. 

AIRBORNE!!!!    ALL THE WAY  !!!

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St Germaine:

Thanks for the post.

Personal testimony of that sort doesn't reach the front page much.  Even on Lottery Post.  Which is both, surprising, and something of a shame.

I say a shame because I think LP would be a lot healthier environment if the users here tipped the balance a bit further in favor of more imagination, innovation, hope, self-belief, and less proclamation about what can't be done.  Which was illustrated on another thread recently.

But insofar as this thread's concerned and the subject of the more subtle inter-relations between lottery personnel and the paying customers who use this site (both lottery customers, and LP 'customers'), I think having your post on board ought to set a lot of people thinking.

Thanks for the anecdotes and the rest.

It ought to be interesting to see whether any of the folks who are prone to attack through worm holes and crawling out from under rocks are willing to come out in the open on this thread to challenge the accuracy of what you're saying from your own experience.

Gracias,

Jack

Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

It's about number behavior.

Egos don't count.

 

Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

 

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    Posted: June 21, 2006, 10:35 pm - IP Logged

    A few thoughts about the thread, that gets weirder by the minute:

    1. Accusing Jack of being an "agent" for the state lotteries is so laughable that I really shouldn't even mention it, so I'm doing so only so that newbies don't get confused.
    2. I'm really confused when people say the lotteries make changes to their games in order to thwart peoples' winning systems.  Maybe someone could enlighten me as to what changes they could possibly make to thwart a system?  What, do they shine up the lottery balls 'specially shiney or something?  If someone could give me a concrete example of something a lottery has done to thwart players, I would be grateful.
    3. Yes, many state lottery representatives browse these forums, as they should.  Rather than thinking that they are somehow stealing vital information from the players, you guys (and gals) should be thankful that they are interested in what you are saying about their games.  We should be encouraging them to listen to us, rather than trying to throw up smoke screens to hide from them.  If you have concocted the "secret forumla" and don't want anyone to know, then don't post it on the public forums.  Doesn't that make sense?
    Ok I'll try and give some examples of how the lottery effectively change a posters system so he couldn't win using that system. Stgermain won lil lotto so many times using a system he developed. When he went to lottery H.Q. to cash tickets they knew him by first name. He inadvertently told someone about his system and they changed the matrix of the game ( added more balls. ) he hasn't been close ever since.

    In Maryland they stopped letting people pick the machines and ball sets they use for drawings. Now a computer picks the machines and ball sets they will use for each and every pick 3/4 game. If your system is designed around hits, skips, misses, and cold, hot numbers then it's flawed because humans are habitual in that they tend to favor certain things like selecting the same machines and balls for every drawing they conduct. When they took the human element out of the machine and ball selection they effectively change the out come of the drawings. to see how or what i am referring to just compare the last years drawing history with previous years. You can see a distinct change.

    I am definitely going to weigh in here as this subject hits very close to home.

    First,  I am a dedicated lottery player and have played steady for about 11 years.

    Having studied on how to catch numbers using my methods that I have described in full and at some

    distance with four4me. I was able to find a solution in how to win the little lotto jackpots twice in the year 2000. I also have won many,many little prizes everyday with 3of 5 and 4 of 5 multiple times. Those payouts on a daily basis ranged from 650 dollars to 1200 to 1700 dollars  a day and lasted for many days. Yes, I consider myself a lucky S.O.B.

    I was on this winning streak long before I ever heard of the lotto post and only learned of it last year when four4me had told me about it. That's when I started having correspondence with him through e-mails, letters and on the phone. I also shared with him my ideas,thoughts and methods. Today, I consider four4me ...my friend.

    So, the lotto's everywhere can be beaten...with time, determination and money. Lot's of money.

    Something I am sure that most of us do not have. So, I've developed my own wheels whereas, I would only spend 40 to 60 dollars  whenever I would play. Today , I have created one for just the megagame.  I come close with this one also and will one day capture this game too.

    Secondly, todd has asked if anyone out here would know of any method that the lottery people would use to twart anyone's use of systems. Well todd, I don't know for sure but at the height of my winning  constantly and of course my big mouth. A lot of people were getting wind of what I was doing. I even taught a friend of mine when working at the phone company and he went nuts when he was bringing home several hundred of dollars a day just through the lottery. Shortly afterward my friend had told me that the state of illinois was introducing some "new software" for the little lotto.

    I said "Software!...what the hell has software got to do with the lotto". About that time , they also changed the matrix from 5/30 to 5/39.

    I guess..my question to todd is " What was that software and can you find out what it was".

    Yes, there are probaly agents probing the web and this site to see what "improvements" they may make.

    Anyways, this was way before I ever heard of this site. Yes, you can beat any system if you have the strong desire to do so. Just keep it simple.

    Since then, I do come mighty close a lot of times ...my last number always one digit off from winning. the jackpot....but the state of illinois has made it a lot harder to win...but people are winning everyday..mostly from quickpicks but some still win money using systems of their own.
    I guess what I am saying is that the state doesn't make it any easier but they also" are not" trying not to make you not win.  So, how about it , Todd...What was that software introduced into my game?

    If you have any doubts about my story and results...that would be just too bad.  Sometimes...you just have to have faith....in yourself..your friends ...and in your bank...who by the way holds all of my money. 

    AIRBORNE!!!!    ALL THE WAY  !!!

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    Howdy st.germain,

    I'm only guessing about the software , but I would have to say it is for the drawing machine. I watch the IL drawing once in a while and I noticed that the little lotto machine makes a few rounds and then stops to let a ball drop. Then it starts again to mix them some more and then stops again and continues to do that for every ball drawn after that. I'm sure that is done by a computer program. If so, they may have changed it to where it makes a extra spin one time before it stops for a ball and then short a spin for the next ball and then the usual amount of spins for the next ball. Mixing up even the amount of spins the machine makes before it drops each ball. Before, it may have been set to a certain mode. Spin 3 times, drop a ball. spin 3 more times, drop a ball, and continued to do that until all 5 balls were drawn. Again, this is only a guess.

    Sad part is, if that isn't what they are doing already I will regret posting this in the forum.

    Best of Luck,

    Bryan  :)

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      Not everyone on LP believes that it cannot be done. I said in another post that I feel it already has been done; however we will never know about it.

       

      Most who come here claiming they have a system that can hit all the time, really do not have it!

       

      You can bet your booty a person who has cracked the lottery is not going to come on here and share it with LP members. You can also rely on them telling one or 2 people that are family members, If they even do that, they may just win and share some money never letting even close family know they have a system for doing it.

       

      Have a code cracking system and come on LP and just share it with a bunch of Strangers? No way you wont see it happen, not in this lifetime, no matter how much money the owner of such a winning system has already won off of it. Its human nature and that we cannot change!
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        Yes Nod

        Which is to say, I might toss out a morsel just for the hell of it, but I'll do my best not to share anything important with LP members, should the occasion arise I had something to share.  And I'd advise, if I were giving advice (which I ain't) the same course to every other LP member who stumbles across anything.

        Sound like to me you are speaking from both ends, Jack.  I remember you led the pack against me when I wouldn't share my lead number and pointers workouts.  People were hitting and for months on end pm'd me for the numbers after I stopped posting.  You convinced them they couldn't depend on me and that it was wrong to wait for someone to post something once a week for them and all I wanted to do was lead them by a string.  All lies.  You accused me of playing games and ego tripping.  Me being willing to share the results of the workout was not enough.  The pot can't call the kettle black.

        Tenaj:

        Sorry for the delay in answering your post.  I keep you blocked, so I didn't notice you'd posted until now, so I took a look at what you might have to say on the issue of the thread.  I'm glad I did.

        You might be correct.  What I'm saying here might well be talking though both sides of my mouth from your perspective.  If so, I don't mind.

        I don't recall leading the pack to attack you for not explaining how your system worked.  I do recall expressing a lot of frustration about not understanding what  you were saying a person ought to do to use what you appeared to be trying to explain without much success, insofar as using the information you were providing.

        I haven't kept track of what you've been doing lately.  But I'm confident if you are providing winning numbers you still have your set of people using them.  If not, you don't.

        To be honest, I came to believe you were merely a blustering prima dona, still believe it.

        But that certainly doesn't mean you aren't providing winning numbers and taking it to the bank.

        It just means I don't believe you.

        Jack

         

        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

        It's about number behavior.

        Egos don't count.

         

        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

         

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          There should be a counseling page link here. Obsessive-compulsive, shizophrenic, paranoid members or those with illusions of grandeur or anger management issues click here. (Don't come back 'til the therapy session is over).

          The rest can go through the metal detector and join the discussion.

          Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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            There should be a counseling page link here. Obsessive-compulsive, shizophrenic, paranoid members or those with illusions of grandeur or anger management issues click here. (Don't come back 'til the therapy session is over).

            The rest can go through the metal detector and join the discussion.

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              Rick

              Perhaps the funniest comment here...however, the message is correct. I wish it were that way here with the therapy.

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                It's rather paraniod to belive that everyone that says systems don't work must be working for a lottery. With the spate of computer drawn lotteries who knows how to pick a winner other than shear luck. On those games honest enough to still use mechanical drawings I still don't believe a system can pick a winner.

                Now if you want loosing tickets I have plenty of stratagies for that and all of them work great. 

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                  Yes Nod

                  Which is to say, I might toss out a morsel just for the hell of it, but I'll do my best not to share anything important with LP members, should the occasion arise I had something to share.  And I'd advise, if I were giving advice (which I ain't) the same course to every other LP member who stumbles across anything.

                  Sound like to me you are speaking from both ends, Jack.  I remember you led the pack against me when I wouldn't share my lead number and pointers workouts.  People were hitting and for months on end pm'd me for the numbers after I stopped posting.  You convinced them they couldn't depend on me and that it was wrong to wait for someone to post something once a week for them and all I wanted to do was lead them by a string.  All lies.  You accused me of playing games and ego tripping.  Me being willing to share the results of the workout was not enough.  The pot can't call the kettle black.

                  Tenaj:

                  Sorry for the delay in answering your post.  I keep you blocked, so I didn't notice you'd posted until now, so I took a look at what you might have to say on the issue of the thread.  I'm glad I did.

                  You might be correct.  What I'm saying here might well be talking though both sides of my mouth from your perspective.  If so, I don't mind.

                  I don't recall leading the pack to attack you for not explaining how your system worked.  I do recall expressing a lot of frustration about not understanding what  you were saying a person ought to do to use what you appeared to be trying to explain without much success, insofar as using the information you were providing.

                  I haven't kept track of what you've been doing lately.  But I'm confident if you are providing winning numbers you still have your set of people using them.  If not, you don't.

                  To be honest, I came to believe you were merely a blustering prima dona, still believe it.

                  But that certainly doesn't mean you aren't providing winning numbers and taking it to the bank.

                  It just means I don't believe you.

                  Jack

                   

                  Yes NodYou may not conveniently remember but your blog and the threads remember, that's why you blocked me and I have you blocked as well.

                  If anybody want to know how well the Prima Dona's Lead Number is doing - get a load of this.

                   

                  http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/136910

                  takeemtothebank

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                    There should be a counseling page link here. Obsessive-compulsive, shizophrenic, paranoid members or those with illusions of grandeur or anger management issues click here. (Don't come back 'til the therapy session is over).

                    The rest can go through the metal detector and join the discussion.

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                      i'm back from my popcorn break did i miss something?

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                        There should be a counseling page link here. Obsessive-compulsive, shizophrenic, paranoid members or those with illusions of grandeur or anger management issues click here. (Don't come back 'til the therapy session is over).

                        The rest can go through the metal detector and join the discussion.

                        Hi Rick:

                        I'd been wondering whether and when you'd drop in.  Thanks for the post.

                        I like to think I'm the only obsessive-compulsive, shizophrenic, paranoid member with delusions of grandeur on LP.  Everyone else pretty well has the head on straight (within his/her own sphere of reality). 

                        For instance, I've always suspected obsessive-compulsive is a behavior that exists only in the eyes of the beholder (with the exception of my particular brand, which is real).  Schizo, I ain't sure about.  Delusions of grandeur, however, are something none of us blessed with would be willing to part with, even though for most LP members they're not delusions....  What they believe of themselves is true.

                        In my own case, I'd be in a sad fix if I didn't have them, sadder still if they weren't delusions.  Heck, I'd never be able to handle being as cool a guy as I think I am.  I'd be at risk of becoming big headed.

                        Paranoia?  Paranoia is a (key word) 'unjustified' believe in conspiracies and what not.  It depends entirely on there not being any conspiracies, which I agree, mostly there aren't.  People generally aren't focused, honest, intelligent enough to pull off a good conspiracy.  Which isn't to say they don't exist.  It just says they usually aren't successful, and that they don't exist anywhere nearly so frequently as a lot of people suppose.

                        But another facet of paranoia is believing someone is out to get you.  Unjustifiably. 

                        In the case of Tenaj, as an example, it isn't paranoia.  It's entirely justified, her thinking I'm out to get her.  But I'm careful not to succeed, so I block her. 

                        Being out to get Tenaj without actually having to read anything she says most of the time, and thereby not having to hmmmmm consumate the thing, that, amigo, seems to me to be an almost ideal state of affairs.  The only improvement on it I can think of would be to be out to get her, but not to have to know she exists.

                        Anger management issues, however, are serious ones for me.  Always have been.  I no sooner get them whupped than they sneak back up and tap me behind the ear with a ball peen hammer.  I expect I'll be working on that as long as I remain in this dormant state we call life.

                        I'm awfully happy to see your  post.

                        Gracias amigo,

                        Jack

                        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                        It's about number behavior.

                        Egos don't count.

                         

                        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                         

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                          sometimes family fights,group hug?

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                            i'm back from my popcorn break did i miss something?

                            LottoMike, you don't miss much.  You devil you.

                            Jack

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                            It's about number behavior.

                            Egos don't count.

                             

                            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                             

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                              sometimes family fights,group hug?

                              I'll look off somewhere else while you guys do it.  Out here in the New Old West us real men don't do a lot of group hugging, even in this brave new world.  Especially if the group being hugged includes other men, including fathers, sons, brothers.

                              J

                              Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                              It's about number behavior.

                              Egos don't count.

                               

                              Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser