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if you found a winning ticket that wasn't yours

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if you found a winning ticket that wasn't yours that was worth millions what would you do?

keep it for yourself [ 69 ]  [65.71%]
return it to the lottery office [ 5 ]  [4.76%]
ponder the possibilities [ 10 ]  [9.52%]
give it to the store owner [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
offer it to passerby [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
give it to charity [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
smoke a cigar [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
call a lawyer [ 9 ]  [8.57%]
get a number 3 on the dollar menu(frosty included) [ 4 ]  [3.81%]
other [ 8 ]  [7.62%]
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Posted: May 24, 2007, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

I think you're thinking too much....LOL

I think what that means has to do with trouble they had in the past where someone comes to the lottery office claiming they won, and no ticket to prove otherwise. That's all it is.

It's just a disclaimer in it's earlier form....LOL

It hasn't evolved...so it looks obvious....

I think you're right,haha!

But no where on my ticket does it say--"this is a bearer instrument" or anything like that. Is it just assumed?


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    I think you're right,haha!

    But no where on my ticket does it say--"this is a bearer instrument" or anything like that. Is it just assumed?

    I'm guessing it depends on what state. Remember, I said "If it says on the back", I never assumed it was on every ticket because here in Florduh! it doesen't say that, but growing up in New York it did on their tix, so it might vary from state to state.

    But you're right in most cases, it's assumed that if you don't sign and fill out your address in some states like florida, you are relenquishing that ticket if you lose it. Even here in Florida, it says on the back....We do not claim responsibility if winning ticket mailed and something happens. (paraphrasing). They want no part in the quarreling...LOL

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      Posted: May 24, 2007, 11:09 pm - IP Logged

      I think I wrote this story here on the LP a few weeks ago about me finding a c-note on the floor of busy pizza parlor years ago in New York, on the way home from work.

      Do you think I'm gonna pick it up and say, Hey everyone, has anyone here lost a c-note? Give me a break.

      I'm an honest guy, but I ain't no fool.

      I found a scratch-off ticket worth a dollar outside the store where I buy my tickets and nobody asked me if I bought that ticket. I suppose I could have placed a sign on the bulletin board saying "found winning lottery ticket outside store, call xxx-xxx-xxxx", but I didn't want my phone ringing all night.

      It's not our job to find out who lost the ticket and since is says "finding a ticket worth millions" the lottery would say where the winning ticket was sold so why not wait a couple of days and see if somebody claims they lost their ticket? It's not like finding a wallet that has identification, a ring, or another piece of jewelry that could be described.

      I lost a 100 dollar bill on a crap table near the pizza parlor in the NY NY casino in Vegas a few years ago. 

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        Posted: May 25, 2007, 12:29 pm - IP Logged

        OMG!  Am I going to agree with KY Floyd?  Smiley 

        "Cash is also a bearer instrument, but most people know that its ownership doesn't change simply because somebody else puts it in their pocket"

        In this case, I believe you might have a legitimate argument.  I don't know what would happen in court, but I'm also not going to insist I have a complete understanding of all legal terms. That's why I mentioned that battle in Massachusetts.

        So let's say I have a shoebox full of tickets showing I've bet  5-9-25-31-50-53 (Wed night's Lotto numbers) for years.   It's midnight and I freak out when I can't find my new ticket anywhere.  The next morning (before the ambulance takes me away) I report to both the local police department and the Lottery Office that my ticket was stolen.  "I know I purchased 5 tickets at Publix on route 41 on Wed at 7PM and I have the other 4 indicating the place, date & time, but I can't find the winning ticket.  I've never missed a drawing in years using these numbers and I have proof."

        What would happen when the finder walks into the Lottery Office in Tallahassee?  If the video camera shows the transaction where I bought the ticket and I said I had it in my possession so someone must have taken it, wouldn't it be up to the finder to prove he didn't steal my ticket?

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          Posted: May 25, 2007, 1:51 pm - IP Logged

          Before you run off and try to cash the ticket.

           

          One might want to read this story first.

           

          Lottery Post News

           

          http://www.lotterypost.com/news/146194.htm

          Money can't buy you happiness... but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery Wink

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            Posted: May 25, 2007, 1:58 pm - IP Logged

            The back of both the Powerball and Wildcard 2 tickets sold in Idaho say in part:

            SIGN THIS TICKET IMMEDIATELY.  (snipped)  This ticket is a bearer instrument.  Anyone possessing a winning ticket may claim the prize.  (end)

            However, y'all may remember a post in the News forum about a ticket that's being fought over in the courts in Idaho as we speak.  Customer didn't want ticket, clerk left it by the register, another clerk found after drawing saw it was winner and offered half to the manager.  Clerk 1, Clerk 2, Manager, Customer, and Store all have a claim in the court case IIRC.

            If the statement about bearer instrument were to be taken literally, then the lottery would have just awarded it to Clerk 2, who found and presented the ticket to the lottery commission.

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              Posted: May 25, 2007, 2:07 pm - IP Logged

              Before you run off and try to cash the ticket.

               

              One might want to read this story first.

               

              Lottery Post News

               

              http://www.lotterypost.com/news/146194.htm

              Good point Amsoly41!  I hope someone would first go online and make sure the ticket was legitimate before claiming it.  You just pointed out another good reason not to lie. 

              I can't say about every state, but I believe they usually post the winning numbers every day. I'm pretty sure LP has a very reliable "Search Past Results" feature too.

              After writing this comment, I realize how many people I've recently met who have never even turned on a computer, but they wouldn't be on this board! 

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                Posted: May 26, 2007, 12:47 am - IP Logged

                The back of both the Powerball and Wildcard 2 tickets sold in Idaho say in part:

                SIGN THIS TICKET IMMEDIATELY.  (snipped)  This ticket is a bearer instrument.  Anyone possessing a winning ticket may claim the prize.  (end)

                However, y'all may remember a post in the News forum about a ticket that's being fought over in the courts in Idaho as we speak.  Customer didn't want ticket, clerk left it by the register, another clerk found after drawing saw it was winner and offered half to the manager.  Clerk 1, Clerk 2, Manager, Customer, and Store all have a claim in the court case IIRC.

                If the statement about bearer instrument were to be taken literally, then the lottery would have just awarded it to Clerk 2, who found and presented the ticket to the lottery commission.

                " Anyone possessing a winning ticket may claim the prize. "

                As I said in my earlier post, that's a warning. I'm guessing that the lottery people knew exactly what they were saying when they decided tickets should say "may claim the prize" instead of "can claim the prize". As a practical matter a lost lottery ticket will usually be gone forever, whether somebody else finds it or not. Most winning tickets win small amounts of money and very few people are gpoing to devote much effort into recovering a ticket that's only worth $20 bucks or so. Sure, you'll probably rummage through your house or dump your purse onto a table to see if it's stuck in the bottom, but nobody's going to call the cops or the lottery office to report that they lost a ticket that isn't worth much. If it's a scratcher, a QP, or numbers you don't play regularly t will be very difficult to prove ownership anyway.

                For tickets that are worth real money, and when there's a realistic chance to prove ownership it's a completely different story. Losing your property doesn't mean losing ownership of the property, period, and it doesn't matter what kind of property it is. I think most people don't understand what "bearer bond" really means, but as another poster said, You can interpret it any way you want to, but that doesen't change anything...     Things work the way they work regardless of what people may believe. The case in Idaho is one of many examples for those who are interested in educating themselves on the truth.

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                  Posted: May 26, 2007, 12:52 am - IP Logged

                  Yes, really. The typical phrasing on a lottery ticket says "this is a bearer instrument". Even if you don't understand the difference, I trust that you recognize that as being different than "This ticket belongs to whoever has it in their possession", right?

                  Wrong!

                  First...I do understand....second....I understand what it says...I've always understood it that way....so has everyone around me....Bearer means bearer....You can interpret it any way you want to, but that doesen't change anything...

                  If you want to twist words with semantics...go ahead...be my guest...LOL

                  Perhaps you didn't understand. You do see that the words on the ticket don't say the "ticket belongs to the person in possession of the ticket", right? If they meant that the ticket belonged to whoever possesed it, do you suppose there's any way they could have printed different words, so that it would actually say that?

                  Suppose I steal your winning lottery ticket? Would you agree that I'm legally entitled to the prize? I mean, it is a bearer bond.


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                    Perhaps you didn't understand. You do see that the words on the ticket don't say the "ticket belongs to the person in possession of the ticket", right? If they meant that the ticket belonged to whoever possesed it, do you suppose there's any way they could have printed different words, so that it would actually say that?

                    Suppose I steal your winning lottery ticket? Would you agree that I'm legally entitled to the prize? I mean, it is a bearer bond.

                    I was paraphrasing. It's something like this ticket is a bearer instrument.

                    Suppose I steal your winning lottery ticket? Would you agree that I'm legally entitled to the prize? I mean, it is a bearer bond.

                    Boy...you're really digging at the bottom of the barrel...LOL Stealing is one thing, finding is another.

                    If you snatched the winning ticket out of my hand, you wouldn't be physically able to even make it to the office, unless you had a gun and used it....LOL

                    If you can't differntiate between finding and stealing...I think you're the one that needs the education.

                    The stories mentioned above have some other issues involved. They didn't just walk down the street and find a ticket.

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                      i wonder who ordered the number 3 with frosty on this poll?  whoever it was ate a nice hot meal while the agonized over what to do.Cool

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                        I was paraphrasing. It's something like this ticket is a bearer instrument.

                        Suppose I steal your winning lottery ticket? Would you agree that I'm legally entitled to the prize? I mean, it is a bearer bond.

                        Boy...you're really digging at the bottom of the barrel...LOL Stealing is one thing, finding is another.

                        If you snatched the winning ticket out of my hand, you wouldn't be physically able to even make it to the office, unless you had a gun and used it....LOL

                        If you can't differntiate between finding and stealing...I think you're the one that needs the education.

                        The stories mentioned above have some other issues involved. They didn't just walk down the street and find a ticket.

                        True, these  stories do have other issues.  But if you find a bag of money as you're walking along and kept it, could you not be prosecuted for not turning it in?  If someone could prove you picked it up, of course.  Wouldn't the same apply to any bearer instrument including a lottery ticket?

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                          I was paraphrasing. It's something like this ticket is a bearer instrument.

                          Suppose I steal your winning lottery ticket? Would you agree that I'm legally entitled to the prize? I mean, it is a bearer bond.

                          Boy...you're really digging at the bottom of the barrel...LOL Stealing is one thing, finding is another.

                          If you snatched the winning ticket out of my hand, you wouldn't be physically able to even make it to the office, unless you had a gun and used it....LOL

                          If you can't differntiate between finding and stealing...I think you're the one that needs the education.

                          The stories mentioned above have some other issues involved. They didn't just walk down the street and find a ticket.

                          You weren't paraphrasing, you were misinterpreting, but at least you recognize that the tickets don't say what you originally claimed they say.

                          I'm not digging at the bottom of the barrel, I'm using a hypothetical scenario that I thought might give you a clue about ownership of bearer bonds. By acknowledging that stealing a bearer bond doesn't make it the property of the person who is now in possession you've acknowledged that a bearer bond doesn't belong to someone purely because of possession. You haven't figured out the rest of the details yet, but at least you've made a start.

                          I'm easily able to differentiate between finding and stealing, but already being educated on the matter I understand that  the effect on lawful ownership of the property is the same in both situations: the property still belongs to the original owner. Once you get past the third grade mindset of "finders keepers" perhaps you'll see the whole picture. Perhaps you'll also see that when you keep something that doesn't belong to you the line between finding and stealing becomes far less distinct than you thought.

                          As far as educating ourselves, I'll go out on alimb and guess that your internet connection can reach Google just as easily as it can reach lottery post. Feel free to take advantage of that instead of relying on what's posted here.


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                            You weren't paraphrasing, you were misinterpreting, but at least you recognize that the tickets don't say what you originally claimed they say.

                            I'm not digging at the bottom of the barrel, I'm using a hypothetical scenario that I thought might give you a clue about ownership of bearer bonds. By acknowledging that stealing a bearer bond doesn't make it the property of the person who is now in possession you've acknowledged that a bearer bond doesn't belong to someone purely because of possession. You haven't figured out the rest of the details yet, but at least you've made a start.

                            I'm easily able to differentiate between finding and stealing, but already being educated on the matter I understand that  the effect on lawful ownership of the property is the same in both situations: the property still belongs to the original owner. Once you get past the third grade mindset of "finders keepers" perhaps you'll see the whole picture. Perhaps you'll also see that when you keep something that doesn't belong to you the line between finding and stealing becomes far less distinct than you thought.

                            As far as educating ourselves, I'll go out on alimb and guess that your internet connection can reach Google just as easily as it can reach lottery post. Feel free to take advantage of that instead of relying on what's posted here.

                            You weren't paraphrasing, you were misinterpreting, but at least you recognize that the tickets don't say what you originally claimed they say.

                            If you really thought that what I said was printed on the back, then you have a whole different set of issues. Give me a break! Talk about semantics.

                            I'm not digging at the bottom of the barrel, I'm using a hypothetical scenario that I thought might give you a clue about ownership of bearer bonds. By acknowledging that stealing a bearer bond doesn't make it the property of the person who is now in possession you've acknowledged that a bearer bond doesn't belong to someone purely because of possession. You haven't figured out the rest of the details yet, but at least you've made a start.

                            You must be a lawyer because you like to twist things around. Snatching a bearer bond from someone's hands and finding it is of course two different scenarios. You just happened to use a very poor analogy, and you're trying to get out of it, somewhat unsuccessfuly I might add.

                            I'm easily able to differentiate between finding and stealing, but already being educated on the matter I understand that  the effect on lawful ownership of the property is the same in both situations: the property still belongs to the original owner. Once you get past the third grade mindset of "finders keepers" perhaps you'll see the whole picture. Perhaps you'll also see that when you keep something that doesn't belong to you the line between finding and stealing becomes far less distinct than you thought.

                            You obviously can't differentiate, and if you truly can, you embarrased yourself with the bad analogy as stated above. You make blanket statements like "the property still belongs to the original owner", but how can you back up that statement? It clearly says that it's a bearer instrument. Why is that so difficult for your "Genius" brain to understand? I'm only going by what the ticket says, nothing less nothing more. If it ever went to court, the judge would either choose to  be in favor of my right to claim the ticket, or the lottery officials would have to remove, or modify what it says on the back. I'm no lawyer, and don't claim to know much about the law, it's just common sense.

                            As far as educating ourselves, I'll go out on alimb and guess that your internet connection can reach Google just as easily as it can reach lottery post. Feel free to take advantage of that instead of relying on what's posted here.

                            I use the knowledge and common sense that I've amassed over the years to decide what I'm going to write here. I don't need Google to tell me whats wriiten on the backs of some tickets. There must be a very logical reason why they wrote that. If infact it means nothing at all, then the officials were drunk when they wrote it. I don't know what else to tell you.

                            It's very simple...If you snatch a c-note out of someone's hand, you're stealing. If you find a c-note...it's yours...get it? Probably not.

                            I can just see your reply filled with diatribes without end. Go ahead, I know it's coming...LOL 


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                              on the back of Maryland's lottery tickets it says
                              Important information:  This ticket is a bearer instrument. Anyone possessing a winning ticket may claim the prize. -------- 

                              Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                               

                              See? Simple, and concise. See Kyfloyd.....it's not that difficult. Life is too short to argue over something that most likely will never happen to you or me.

                              Look at the interpretion of the second amendment. We're still arguing over the right to bear arms for over 200 years now. But that's also simple.But it's people like you who want to twist things around.

                              It clearly states a militia was the original reason, yet people like to twist things for their own reasons. News Flash...we don't have militias anymore....Case closed....LOL

                                 
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