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if you found a winning ticket that wasn't yours

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if you found a winning ticket that wasn't yours that was worth millions what would you do?

keep it for yourself [ 69 ]  [65.71%]
return it to the lottery office [ 5 ]  [4.76%]
ponder the possibilities [ 10 ]  [9.52%]
give it to the store owner [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
offer it to passerby [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
give it to charity [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
smoke a cigar [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
call a lawyer [ 9 ]  [8.57%]
get a number 3 on the dollar menu(frosty included) [ 4 ]  [3.81%]
other [ 8 ]  [7.62%]
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Posted: May 26, 2007, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

A...

the Michigan Milita is alive and well.  LOL


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    True, these  stories do have other issues.  But if you find a bag of money as you're walking along and kept it, could you not be prosecuted for not turning it in?  If someone could prove you picked it up, of course.  Wouldn't the same apply to any bearer instrument including a lottery ticket?

    This falls into a different category. Certain events warrant laws without ambiguity. Here's the differnce:

    If you find a c-note, with no info to whom it belongs it's yours. No brainer.

    If you find a bag full of c-notes, weighing 65 pounds, then your common sense tells you that no person in their right mind would leave a trillion dollars on the road side. It's obviously blood money. If in fact there was no tie with anything suspicious, then by law, in most states, after a certain period, mostly 3 to 6 months, you can claim that money. But then again who leaves that kind of cash by accident. So you probably wouldn't be able to claim it since it just has to be blood money...LOL

    If the rightful owner is not found considering it aint 70 million bucks and looks fishy...lol, you keep it. It's so very simple...LOL

    I'm not conveying this to you LuckyLilly, but to Ky floyd.

    It's an indirect message to him....LOL


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      Posted: May 26, 2007, 7:31 pm - IP Logged

      A...

      the Michigan Milita is alive and well.  LOL

      We'll just have to call in the National Guard to act as the equalizer...LOL

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        Posted: May 26, 2007, 7:32 pm - IP Logged

        this is just me.....

        But I'd ponder it for all of about 30 mins and claim it quietly as possible  and run like the Red Devil was after me


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          this is just me.....

          But I'd ponder it for all of about 30 mins and claim it quietly as possible  and run like the Red Devil was after me

          Welcome hearsetrax...

          ROFL  Run like the bastard was after my tail...good one...LOL

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            Posted: May 26, 2007, 7:59 pm - IP Logged

            thanks for the welcome pacattack05.....

             

            I'm admitedly rotten person and I'd sorda feel bad if some person lost a winning ticket worth millions

            but @ the same time I think I'd laugh all the way to the lotto office and make the most of ill gotten gains and hunting the few people for the grins of it


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              Posted: May 26, 2007, 8:17 pm - IP Logged

              thanks for the welcome pacattack05.....

               

              I'm admitedly rotten person and I'd sorda feel bad if some person lost a winning ticket worth millions

              but @ the same time I think I'd laugh all the way to the lotto office and make the most of ill gotten gains and hunting the few people for the grins of it

              You're not rotten at all. Of course I'd feel bad too, but what are ya gonna do? Cry over it? Not like this a national crisis...LOL The person simply forgot what they were doing. here in Floriduh, it's called Alzheimers...

              There are actually more cases of people not cashing in their tix before the due date. No stealing.....no losing...just happen stance and mor forgrtfulness...LOL...    The money just goes back into the system....No court hearings...lawyers...LOL

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                You're not rotten at all. Of course I'd feel bad too, but what are ya gonna do? Cry over it? Not like this a national crisis...LOL The person simply forgot what they were doing. here in Floriduh, it's called Alzheimers...

                There are actually more cases of people not cashing in their tix before the due date. No stealing.....no losing...just happen stance and mor forgrtfulness...LOL...    The money just goes back into the system....No court hearings...lawyers...LOL

                I think it's called Alzheimers in every state - my Dad died of it.

                love to nibble those micey feet.

                 

                                             


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                  Posted: May 26, 2007, 9:37 pm - IP Logged

                  I think it's called Alzheimers in every state - my Dad died of it.

                  Sorry to hear that kitty.

                  But I know kitty's senses are heightened....

                  Emily's blogs ....very inspiring...

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                    Posted: May 27, 2007, 12:46 am - IP Logged

                    i'd wait a bit before claiming it,to see if anyone comes forward about loosing the ticket and their claim can be verified,if not i'd keep it.

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                      Posted: May 27, 2007, 9:13 am - IP Logged

                      I think it's called Alzheimers in every state - my Dad died of it.

                      I'm so sorry to hear that, Emily.  Must have been quite devastating. 

                      On finding a winning ticket... If I could keep it, I would.  There are laws for "lost and found" items.  And I'm pretty sure, Lotteries have set procedures for a situation like this.

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                        Posted: May 28, 2007, 2:17 am - IP Logged

                        This falls into a different category. Certain events warrant laws without ambiguity. Here's the differnce:

                        If you find a c-note, with no info to whom it belongs it's yours. No brainer.

                        If you find a bag full of c-notes, weighing 65 pounds, then your common sense tells you that no person in their right mind would leave a trillion dollars on the road side. It's obviously blood money. If in fact there was no tie with anything suspicious, then by law, in most states, after a certain period, mostly 3 to 6 months, you can claim that money. But then again who leaves that kind of cash by accident. So you probably wouldn't be able to claim it since it just has to be blood money...LOL

                        If the rightful owner is not found considering it aint 70 million bucks and looks fishy...lol, you keep it. It's so very simple...LOL

                        I'm not conveying this to you LuckyLilly, but to Ky floyd.

                        It's an indirect message to him....LOL

                        You've got a lot of the pieces right, but you still haven't put them all together. I don't know about you, but my common sense tells me that  few people deliberately leave anything more than small change on the side of the road. Many people won't bother picking up a penny or a nickel, so that would qualify as abandoned property, but as the amount goes up the number of people who would deliberately leave it there goes down quickly.What's a no brainer is that if you find a single 100 dollar bill it wasn't deliberately left behind, and that's the relevant legal issue.  It's lost property, not abandoned property.

                        The law doesn't care whether you find $10, a single one hundred dollar bill or $1 million. The law cares whether the property was lost, mislaid, or abandonded. Abandoned property belongs to the person who finds it (except when it's found on private property, in which case it generally belongs to the property owner).  Lost property belongs to the original owner unless they fail to make an attempt at claiming it within the time period specified by the law. Of course as a practical matter it may be difficult or impossible to prove ownership of small amounts of money (and few would put in the effort for small amounts, anyway), but the law applies to lost property of any value. I'm guessing that even you agree that if a single 1 dollar bill was found in a wallet thatit properly belongs to the person whose ID is in the wallet. It shouldn't be difficult to extend that reasoning to  property for which ownership isn't as easily determined.

                        The law also doesn't care what type of property it is. Cash and other bearer instruments are treated just the same as items for which ownership can be easily established. As I said before, your acknowledgement that stealing a bearer instrument doesn't cause a lawful change in ownership is an acknowledgement that possession isn't what determines ownership of a bearer instrument. That you can't put the pieces together has no effect on the law.

                        From your previous post:

                        You make blanket statements like "the property still belongs to the original owner", but how can you back up that statement? It clearly says that it's a bearer instrument. Why is that so difficult for your "Genius" brain to understand? I'm only going by what the ticket says, nothing less nothing more.

                        I can backup that blanket staement because that's how the law works, regardless of what you choose to believe.  Even a simpleton can easily understand that the ticket is a bearer instrument. What's problematic is that some people don't understand what "bearer instrument" actually means. You aren't just going by what the ticket says. You're also applying your notion about what a bearer instrument is. Because your notions are wrong, your interpretation of what the ticket says is wrong.

                        FWIW,  perhaps you'll find this useful, since you (rightfully) put so much stock in what it says on the tickets. NY lottery tickets (at least for online games) say that the ticket is a bearer instrument, and below the spot for your name and address they also say "Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I am the owner of this ticket". Why would that be there if the statement that the ticket is a bearer instrument meant that the  person in possession was the owner?

                        I'm no lawyer, and don't claim to know much about the law

                        Clearly. So why are you working so hard to claim that the law works the way you think it does? You've got an easy choice. You can continue to believe your interpretatioin despite admitting that your knowledge is limited, or you find an independent source that will either confirm what you believe or expand your knowledge.


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                          You've got a lot of the pieces right, but you still haven't put them all together. I don't know about you, but my common sense tells me that  few people deliberately leave anything more than small change on the side of the road. Many people won't bother picking up a penny or a nickel, so that would qualify as abandoned property, but as the amount goes up the number of people who would deliberately leave it there goes down quickly.What's a no brainer is that if you find a single 100 dollar bill it wasn't deliberately left behind, and that's the relevant legal issue.  It's lost property, not abandoned property.

                          The law doesn't care whether you find $10, a single one hundred dollar bill or $1 million. The law cares whether the property was lost, mislaid, or abandonded. Abandoned property belongs to the person who finds it (except when it's found on private property, in which case it generally belongs to the property owner).  Lost property belongs to the original owner unless they fail to make an attempt at claiming it within the time period specified by the law. Of course as a practical matter it may be difficult or impossible to prove ownership of small amounts of money (and few would put in the effort for small amounts, anyway), but the law applies to lost property of any value. I'm guessing that even you agree that if a single 1 dollar bill was found in a wallet thatit properly belongs to the person whose ID is in the wallet. It shouldn't be difficult to extend that reasoning to  property for which ownership isn't as easily determined.

                          The law also doesn't care what type of property it is. Cash and other bearer instruments are treated just the same as items for which ownership can be easily established. As I said before, your acknowledgement that stealing a bearer instrument doesn't cause a lawful change in ownership is an acknowledgement that possession isn't what determines ownership of a bearer instrument. That you can't put the pieces together has no effect on the law.

                          From your previous post:

                          You make blanket statements like "the property still belongs to the original owner", but how can you back up that statement? It clearly says that it's a bearer instrument. Why is that so difficult for your "Genius" brain to understand? I'm only going by what the ticket says, nothing less nothing more.

                          I can backup that blanket staement because that's how the law works, regardless of what you choose to believe.  Even a simpleton can easily understand that the ticket is a bearer instrument. What's problematic is that some people don't understand what "bearer instrument" actually means. You aren't just going by what the ticket says. You're also applying your notion about what a bearer instrument is. Because your notions are wrong, your interpretation of what the ticket says is wrong.

                          FWIW,  perhaps you'll find this useful, since you (rightfully) put so much stock in what it says on the tickets. NY lottery tickets (at least for online games) say that the ticket is a bearer instrument, and below the spot for your name and address they also say "Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I am the owner of this ticket". Why would that be there if the statement that the ticket is a bearer instrument meant that the  person in possession was the owner?

                          I'm no lawyer, and don't claim to know much about the law

                          Clearly. So why are you working so hard to claim that the law works the way you think it does? You've got an easy choice. You can continue to believe your interpretatioin despite admitting that your knowledge is limited, or you find an independent source that will either confirm what you believe or expand your knowledge.

                          FWIW,  perhaps you'll find this useful, since you (rightfully) put so much stock in what it says on the tickets. NY lottery tickets (at least for online games) say that the ticket is a bearer instrument, and below the spot for your name and address they also say "Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I am the owner of this ticket". Why would that be there if the statement that the ticket is a bearer instrument meant that the  person in possession was the owner?

                          You must be pulling my leg. I can't believe what you write. The reason there's a place for your name and address is so that incase you LOSE it, someone else can't CLAIM IT! C'mon....you have to be messing with me right?

                          Clearly. So why are you working so hard to claim that the law works the way you think it does? You've got an easy choice. You can continue to believe your interpretatioin despite admitting that your knowledge is limited, or you find an independent source that will either confirm what you believe or expand your knowledge.

                          I'm not working hard at all. It's plain common sense. That comes very easily to me. I have an independant source...it's the ticket, and what is says on the back.

                          You say I put so much credence on what it says on the back. Well, I guess you don't take things too seriously huh?

                          Next time you see the crosswalk sign stop blinking the following.."Don't walk", do me a favor and continue to walk, because obviously the sign must not be taken verbatim, according to your "Common sense". Next time you get a speeding ticket, just throw it away. Then when your license gets suspended for unpaid tickets, just keep driving, because the people at the DMV really didn't mean what they said...Next time you cash in your paycheck, tell the cashier that they made a mistake, and that there are a couple of zeros missing.

                          You're too much...


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                            It's so simple, a simpleton can....

                            LOL...........

                            Next time you see my drab remarks, just ignore me, I don't really mean what I say......LOL

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                              When I left Vegas in 1993 there as an interesting case going on, I'm not sure what the outcome was.

                              Read on.

                              This is when he casinos first started going to slots that racked up credits instead of dropping coins into the coin tray. A lot of players were used to those old coin tray payouts and would get up and leave thinking they were losers, but they weren't. They were just unaware that the machine they'd been playing had credits on them.

                              Well, there were people who would go through the casinos in the "wee hours" of the morning just looking to see if a machine had credits on it and of they did, cash out, take the coins, and go to the cage.

                              Even in Vegas not much goes on during the middle of the graveyard shift, so things and people are a lot more noticeable. One of the casino's surveillance directors spotted a coupld of fguys doing this and had security waiting for them at the cage. When they attempted to turn in the coins and tokens for cash, they were told it was the casino's money.

                              One of the guys said, "The hell it is. It's money that you let winning customers walk away from without informing them they were winners."

                              Like I said, I don't know what the outcome was, but it did go to court. Of course, it would have been a Nevada court, so advantage to the casino, but still, an interesting case.

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

                                 
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