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Lucky Lotto Picks System by "Pete Egeler"

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truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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Posted: November 6, 2007, 6:24 pm - IP Logged

I see nothing wrong with making trades instead of exchanging cash.

However, Summertime, I do see something wrong with your thinking.

You are asking for all kinds of proof of Pete's system.  Yet you can't offer any details of what you will provide - except that it can make a person rich or at least well off. 

Sounds just like the 1001 get rich quick offers on the net.  I wouldn't trade so much as a postage stamp - because I don't know whether you are telling the truth or not. 

Not all trades materialize.  If Pete doesn't want to trade then just drop it.  He doesn't want to trade no matter how many times you repeat that your secret will make him a lot of money.

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    Box wager (6-way) using 3 unique numbers for a pick 3 game. Odds = 1:167

    Which means when you make this bet you will win on average this many times:

    X

    out of this many times:

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    This is a losing bet, it will ALWAYS be a longterm loser, and no system can ever change that fact.

    It is also a very timid bet, being that while the odds of winning this bet are much better than most lottery games, but the payout is very small, and will never be of any meaningful consequence. To put it another way, winning this bet weighed against what it would take money wise to get the wins would only provide a fraction of what a minimum wage worker makes in one day on the job. Even those small wins mean nothing when you consider that the weeks that these bets doesn't win will wipe out and microscopic profits you happen to make win it did win. The odds dictate that there will be far more losing weeks that winning ones, so when you add the cost of a system on top of the losses (not to mention the wasted time to find all of this out the hard way), you would be better off recycling aluminum, and plastic containers on a very limited basis than wasting your time, energy, and money on trying to make a profit playing pick3 (system, or no system). 

    Look on the back of any pick3 playslip to confirm 1:167 for a 6-way box w/3 different (unique) numbers.

     

    Regards, Jack 

    "Look on the back of any pick3 playslip to confirm 1:167 for a 6-way box w/3 different (unique) numbers."

    Most lotteries pay $500 for a $1 bet on a straight win. A box bet allows you to bet on 3 or 6 straight numbers at a reduced cost so you divide the $500 by either 3 or 6. Those payoffs depend on the state; some pay $166 and $83 and some less. If you play a $3 or a $6 box you'll give up another $2, but some states offer a Wheel bet for the same price and the payoff is $500.

    "This is a losing bet, it will ALWAYS be a longterm loser, and no system can ever change that fact."

    Somebody mentioned they were playing ten different 50 cent boxes so they are actually betting less than 9 cents on a straight number. And if they are playing in Florida where the payoffs are slightly lower, they better have THE system.

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      Posted: November 6, 2007, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

      Where are you pulling these 1:167 odds from?  The Pick-3 odds for Straight are 1:1000 and Box are 1:210 or 1:220 if you include the Triples (1-1-1, 2-2-2, etc.) There are odds for All Different and Doubles purely based on their representation in the total population. 

      There are also system odds like a 2if3in10digit8number wheel guarantees when all different digits are drawn at least one number will have 2 of the winning digits which leaves 8 remaining digits to occupy the third position making your odds 1:8 of winning. 

      BobP
       

      "The Pick-3 odds for Straight are 1:1000 and Box are 1:210 or 1:220 if you include the Triples (1-1-1, 2-2-2, etc.)"

      A 6-way box is 6 bets, a 3-way box is 3 bets, and a triple is 1 bet. Divide the number of possible outcomes (1000) by the number of bets to get the odds.

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        Posted: November 6, 2007, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

        "The Pick-3 odds for Straight are 1:1000 and Box are 1:210 or 1:220 if you include the Triples (1-1-1, 2-2-2, etc.)"

        A 6-way box is 6 bets, a 3-way box is 3 bets, and a triple is 1 bet. Divide the number of possible outcomes (1000) by the number of bets to get the odds.

        Ah, overall odds: Like putting a straight bet on each of six possible all different combinations.  Thanks. BobP

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          I see nothing wrong with making trades instead of exchanging cash.

          However, Summertime, I do see something wrong with your thinking.

          You are asking for all kinds of proof of Pete's system.  Yet you can't offer any details of what you will provide - except that it can make a person rich or at least well off. 

          Sounds just like the 1001 get rich quick offers on the net.  I wouldn't trade so much as a postage stamp - because I don't know whether you are telling the truth or not. 

          Not all trades materialize.  If Pete doesn't want to trade then just drop it.  He doesn't want to trade no matter how many times you repeat that your secret will make him a lot of money.

          I am not selling my info. I have no reason to explain what I know with any of you. Pete is selling his system, and claims he doesn't have to prove that it works, but the truth is he can't because it doesn't, and therefore of course he is gonna have to come up with some excuse and hope everyone buys not only his excuse, but his system as well. He claims it is an original system. On his blog he reveals that it involves wheeling, and gives some clues as to other aspects of "his" "system". Now ask yourself "if wheeling could beat the lottery, why hasn't anyone been able to prove it"? The answer is because it can't, nothing can. 

           

          At any rate I can tell you didn't read this thread before you posted this otherwise you already would of known that I already have petes system (it's posted on the internet for free).

           

          Regards, Jack 

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            Posted: November 7, 2007, 2:37 am - IP Logged

            "Look on the back of any pick3 playslip to confirm 1:167 for a 6-way box w/3 different (unique) numbers."

            Most lotteries pay $500 for a $1 bet on a straight win. A box bet allows you to bet on 3 or 6 straight numbers at a reduced cost so you divide the $500 by either 3 or 6. Those payoffs depend on the state; some pay $166 and $83 and some less. If you play a $3 or a $6 box you'll give up another $2, but some states offer a Wheel bet for the same price and the payoff is $500.

            "This is a losing bet, it will ALWAYS be a longterm loser, and no system can ever change that fact."

            Somebody mentioned they were playing ten different 50 cent boxes so they are actually betting less than 9 cents on a straight number. And if they are playing in Florida where the payoffs are slightly lower, they better have THE system.

            What I posted are FACTS, everything that you replied with are outside of the scope of the facts that I have presented, as well as this thread, and the discussion of Pete's system.

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              I am not selling my info. I have no reason to explain what I know with any of you. Pete is selling his system, and claims he doesn't have to prove that it works, but the truth is he can't because it doesn't, and therefore of course he is gonna have to come up with some excuse and hope everyone buys not only his excuse, but his system as well. He claims it is an original system. On his blog he reveals that it involves wheeling, and gives some clues as to other aspects of "his" "system". Now ask yourself "if wheeling could beat the lottery, why hasn't anyone been able to prove it"? The answer is because it can't, nothing can. 

               

              At any rate I can tell you didn't read this thread before you posted this otherwise you already would of known that I already have petes system (it's posted on the internet for free).

               

              Regards, Jack 

              A) I have read this entire thread.  The fact that you got a copy of Pete's system off the net doesn't change the demands you are making.

              B) I think you missed my point, I'll try to clarify.  You want to trade with Pete - you make all kinds of demands of Pete but you don't offer Pete any concrete information that your valuable information is real.  You are not holding up your end of the bargain to the same standards that you are demanding from Pete.

              No, not to us.  You don't have to prove anything to me.  But to Pete. 

              Personally, I don't feel Pete has to prove his system shows a profit.  You think it sounds good enough to try it, then buy it.  Find out for yourself if it works.  Or, as you say, you've got it - if it doesn't work, fine, you've made your point.   

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                A) I have read this entire thread.  The fact that you got a copy of Pete's system off the net doesn't change the demands you are making.

                B) I think you missed my point, I'll try to clarify.  You want to trade with Pete - you make all kinds of demands of Pete but you don't offer Pete any concrete information that your valuable information is real.  You are not holding up your end of the bargain to the same standards that you are demanding from Pete.

                No, not to us.  You don't have to prove anything to me.  But to Pete. 

                Personally, I don't feel Pete has to prove his system shows a profit.  You think it sounds good enough to try it, then buy it.  Find out for yourself if it works.  Or, as you say, you've got it - if it doesn't work, fine, you've made your point.   

                A) I never made any demands, I made an offer at one point to trade information for information, Pete declined, I respected his decision and still do. 

                B) I do not want to trade Pete, I have his system, there is no need for any kind of trade. There is no need for me offer Pete any concrete information, I was nice enough to offer it at one point, he declined, it was his decision. I went on to acquire the workings of his system for free regardless. There is no bargain to speak of, and I am not demanding anything from Pete. 

                I have nothing to prove to Pete, and I am not selling or offering my information so there is nothing for me to prove to anyone otherwise.

                I do not think it sounds good enough to try, or to buy. I was curious as to what it was that he wanted $27 for, and now I know. I did find out for myself if it works (or not). I did some backtesting and the results were not good. Beyond that the odds that pick3 (and any lottery game for that matter) offer can not be beat in the sense that the player may make an ongoing profit of any consequence. Pete's system can not change this fact.  

                I think what you are concerned with is that I asked (not demanded) Pete to show some proof in regards to the claims and implications that he makes in regards to his system. You feel that there exists a double standard on my part for not providing proof or details in regards to my information. The difference is that I am not selling my information. I am not making claims or implications in an attempt to get people to send me money in exchange for my information, and Pete is. This is a forum dedicated to discussing lottery systems, and the aspects of lottery systems. I am sure there are some people out there who wonder what it is that they would be paying $27 for, and if it really works as advertised. I do not think it is unreasonable to ask (not demand) Pete if he can provide such proof. The decision to provide any proof or evidence in support of what he is asking $27 for is his, and his alone. There is no demands being placed upon Pete. It does appear, based on what Pete has said that there will be no proof or evidence in support of his system provided. That is to say that his claims and implications are to stand on their own, and be taken at face value. 

                I firmly believe that if there was any such proof or evidence that it would gladly be presented here for all to see. I also firmly believe that there is no such proof or envidence in support of his system to speak of, and this is the sole reason why it will not be provided.

                I suppose that this should be taken into consideration on the part of the would-be customer before sending money away for this system. This is of course my opinion, and opinions will vary based on the individual.

                Regards, Jack 

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                  I would like to point out at this point that Pete has taken a seemingly apatheti, backseat position in this discussion, which is rather unfortunate considering this thread is dedicated to the system he claims to have invented. 

                  It has been said that, "silence is golden".

                  However, in this case what would appear to be golden is the chance for Pete come forth and apply validity to his claims and implications about his system. Think of it, would any system dealer with a lottery system that they were proud of and wanted to get noticed sit idle, and take a backseat role while many thousands of eyes were watching? Wouldn't that be the time to come forth with every shred of convincing evidence and proof that you had to support their system and take the lottery community by storm? I mean think of it for a second, if Pete went through all the trouble to start a blog, and create a website to promote his lottery system, why would he shy away right at the very height of interest, and attention regarding his system that he went to great lengths to get noticed in the first place? Pete may never have this many eyes turned in his direction at one time ever again, and yet he can not provide proof in support of his system.   

                  Isn't that a shame?

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                    I would like to point out at this point that Pete has taken a seemingly apatheti, backseat position in this discussion, which is rather unfortunate considering this thread is dedicated to the system he claims to have invented. 

                    It has been said that, "silence is golden".

                    However, in this case what would appear to be golden is the chance for Pete come forth and apply validity to his claims and implications about his system. Think of it, would any system dealer with a lottery system that they were proud of and wanted to get noticed sit idle, and take a backseat role while many thousands of eyes were watching? Wouldn't that be the time to come forth with every shred of convincing evidence and proof that you had to support their system and take the lottery community by storm? I mean think of it for a second, if Pete went through all the trouble to start a blog, and create a website to promote his lottery system, why would he shy away right at the very height of interest, and attention regarding his system that he went to great lengths to get noticed in the first place? Pete may never have this many eyes turned in his direction at one time ever again, and yet he can not provide proof in support of his system.   

                    Isn't that a shame?

                    No! He is wise to avoid his attackers.

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                      What I posted are FACTS, everything that you replied with are outside of the scope of the facts that I have presented, as well as this thread, and the discussion of Pete's system.

                      Which part of "most states pay $500 for a $1 bet on a straight Pick-3 number" and "a 6-way box pays 1/6 of $500" is outside the scope of the facts?

                      "and the discussion of Pete's system"

                      If you're talking about the Lucky Lotto Picks System, I'm guessing when most people read the name of that system, they thought it was for a Pick-6 Lotto or maybe a Pick-5 game. But the only discussion about Pete's system is when Firstborn said he boxed ten 3 digit combinations for 15 draws and 3 of them hit. Even said he "scanned his $40 winning ticket" and sent it to Pete.

                      As for Pete proving his system works, he is posting ten 3 digit combination predictions, the predictions are unique to each state, and he is getting hits so it does have credibility. It looks like he is wheeling 5 digits and playing the 10 combination it produces but it will probably cost us $27 if we want to discuss how the digits are chosen with Pete.

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                        No! He is wise to avoid his attackers.

                        Attack: To set upon with force; to bombard with hostile criticism.

                        So asking for proof is an attack?

                        Ask: To seek an answer to. 

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                          Which part of "most states pay $500 for a $1 bet on a straight Pick-3 number" and "a 6-way box pays 1/6 of $500" is outside the scope of the facts?

                          "and the discussion of Pete's system"

                          If you're talking about the Lucky Lotto Picks System, I'm guessing when most people read the name of that system, they thought it was for a Pick-6 Lotto or maybe a Pick-5 game. But the only discussion about Pete's system is when Firstborn said he boxed ten 3 digit combinations for 15 draws and 3 of them hit. Even said he "scanned his $40 winning ticket" and sent it to Pete.

                          As for Pete proving his system works, he is posting ten 3 digit combination predictions, the predictions are unique to each state, and he is getting hits so it does have credibility. It looks like he is wheeling 5 digits and playing the 10 combination it produces but it will probably cost us $27 if we want to discuss how the digits are chosen with Pete.

                          Anyone could pick ten different combos for all the different states and get hits over the course of a number of days, you don't need a system to do it, and it doesn't prove anything. The reason you will get the hits is because you are putting a huge net of numbers over a great many games and shooting for a 6-way box somewhere, somehow. Hust because you get a hit here or there doesn't mean that the thing is making money though because if you were to have had put money down on every game that was taken into consideration in every state, over that span of time the losers would far outweigh the winners and you would actually LOSE money even though you cought a few hit here and there. It is an illusion that the thing is making a profit because it caught a few numbers here or there, but the loses were not taken into consideration and weighed against the wins. 

                          I predicted some numbers earlier in this thread at random to prove this very point. What people need to realize here that are easily fooled by such dealer tactics is that just because some predicted numbers hit hypothetically doesn't mean that the hits produced a profit, because the hypothetical loses were so conveniently not mentioned, whereas the that hit were all that was focused on. This sort of a thing makes for system fluff, and hype. Simply put it's things like this that appear to make a system seem like a winner, but in reality only less than half the picture was taken into account, namely the numbers that would of hit, the reality of all the great many numbers that would of made the would venture a failure were never discussed, out of site, out of mind. 

                          Regards, Jack

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                            So asking for proof is an attack?

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                            It is when the asking is not done in a tactful manner.

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                              Okay, these are my last comments on this issue. 

                               1)  Jack, you didn't need "proof", I wasn't low-down, and people weren't "mis-lead" for playing the pick 3 lottery games, WHEN YOU HOPED TO "TRADE IT".

                               2)  When I declined, you went to work at once to blast me for not providing YOU with proof.  Not only on this forum, but on several others.

                              3)  As you continue to post, you continue to berate those that say or would assume that they might win playing the lotto.

                               4) The more you post, the sillier you look.

                              Is there a market for my program?  Yes.  

                              Now take your meds and get off my back.

                              Pete