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Lucky Lotto Picks System by "Pete Egeler"

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Posted: November 13, 2007, 4:31 pm - IP Logged

I bought the Scientific Number Selector from Mr. Z over 25 years ago. For 10 bucks I got the SNS, the Lucky Larry system, and a two months subscription to Z's weekly tip sheet that included Ohio and New York results. Call it beginners luck, but I did catch a straight hit within 3 weeks of the purchase.

The SNS method was to get the digit frequency from the previous week and arrange them from Hot (3 or more hits), Neutral (2 hits), and Cold (1 or 0 hits). The draws were Monday to Saturday so every Sunday I'd get the weekly results from the paper and make the chart. If there was a statistical tie, I would place a digit higher if it was higher on the previous chart. The system was how you arranged the Hot and Cold digits into 3 digit combinations.

After a number of weeks, it was easy to notice things outside the system like wheeling the top 5 or 6 digits produced many box hits. When I first saw Pete's Ohio predictions I thought that was the method he was using and that's why I gave it credibility.

Millions of people play Pick-3 games and there are millions of ideas of how to chose 3 digit numbers so I seriously doubt that any one method could be unique. Anybody can put their ideas on paper, get a copywrite and try to sell it as a system but that doesn't prevent people that have used that method for years from continuing.

This method does produce box hits and depending on the betting strategy could show a profit in the long term. I don't know any Pick-3 players that would play ten 50 cents boxes trying to win $41.50 so they would probably look for another method that picked straight hits.

...and there you have it ladies and gentlemen, the missing component of Pete's system, and verification that it is not an original idea.

To know for sure whether this can beat the pick3 odds, just ask yourself this: "If this could beat pick3 for a longterm profit, then surely it would of spread like wildfire (with people telling their friends, and family) and it would be common knowledge that this is a way to beat the lottery at a profit. But, no, the lottery is in no danger of being beat, and continue to win all of it's game by default based on overwhelming odds, and small payoffs (compared to how much money they take in).  

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    ...and there you have it ladies and gentlemen, the missing component of Pete's system, and verification that it is not an original idea.

    To know for sure whether this can beat the pick3 odds, just ask yourself this: "If this could beat pick3 for a longterm profit, then surely it would of spread like wildfire (with people telling their friends, and family) and it would be common knowledge that this is a way to beat the lottery at a profit. But, no, the lottery is in no danger of being beat, and continue to win all of it's game by default based on overwhelming odds, and small payoffs (compared to how much money they take in).  

    When I said "Millions of people play Pick-3 games and there are millions of ideas of how to choose 3 digit numbers so I seriously doubt that any one method could be unique" it means it's likely that hundreds or thousands of people can come up with the same original idea.

    "To know for sure whether this can beat the pick3 odds"

    Florida pays $40 on a 50 cent box so if you play ten boxes and hit, you're getting 7 to 1 on your $5 wager. Or you could make the same bet online with higher payouts as BobP has told you at least 5 times now, and get 14 to 1.

    "If this could beat pick3 for a longterm profit, then surely it would of spread like wildfire (with people telling their friends, and family) and it would be common knowledge that this is a way to beat the lottery at a profit."

    Do the math; if Pete is claiming his system gets 1 box hit every seven days, it would show a $5 profit for every $35 wagered. Do you really believe a system where you have to wager $1820 a year to win $260 in game that pays $500 for a single straight win "would spread like wildfire"?

    "But, no, the lottery is in no danger of being beat,"

    If you believe winning 5 bucks a week is "beating the lottery", you are naive.

    "and continue to win all of it's game by default based on overwhelming odds"

    Some states have pari-mutual payoffs so what ever odds you get are based how much is bet on that combination. It's possible that a Pick-3 combination could pay over $1000 for a straight $1 bet. Those states have a fixed percentage they take off the top.

    Most people probably buy Pick-3 systems for the same reason I did over 25 years ago; to find a method for picking 3 digit numbers that produces hits so you can add your ideas and win. There are plenty of free systems on the Net and many of them are here at Lottery Post that you can look at when you're done complaining about Pete's system.

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      When I said "Millions of people play Pick-3 games and there are millions of ideas of how to choose 3 digit numbers so I seriously doubt that any one method could be unique" it means it's likely that hundreds or thousands of people can come up with the same original idea.

      "To know for sure whether this can beat the pick3 odds"

      Florida pays $40 on a 50 cent box so if you play ten boxes and hit, you're getting 7 to 1 on your $5 wager. Or you could make the same bet online with higher payouts as BobP has told you at least 5 times now, and get 14 to 1.

      "If this could beat pick3 for a longterm profit, then surely it would of spread like wildfire (with people telling their friends, and family) and it would be common knowledge that this is a way to beat the lottery at a profit."

      Do the math; if Pete is claiming his system gets 1 box hit every seven days, it would show a $5 profit for every $35 wagered. Do you really believe a system where you have to wager $1820 a year to win $260 in game that pays $500 for a single straight win "would spread like wildfire"?

      "But, no, the lottery is in no danger of being beat,"

      If you believe winning 5 bucks a week is "beating the lottery", you are naive.

      "and continue to win all of it's game by default based on overwhelming odds"

      Some states have pari-mutual payoffs so what ever odds you get are based how much is bet on that combination. It's possible that a Pick-3 combination could pay over $1000 for a straight $1 bet. Those states have a fixed percentage they take off the top.

      Most people probably buy Pick-3 systems for the same reason I did over 25 years ago; to find a method for picking 3 digit numbers that produces hits so you can add your ideas and win. There are plenty of free systems on the Net and many of them are here at Lottery Post that you can look at when you're done complaining about Pete's system.

       Whoa stack, you kinda took off in a whole other direction with this post, lol. I liked your previous post. If you think about it, I am not complianing about Pete's system, I am disscussing it, ya know. 

       I am not stranger to making money with gambling games. I am also no stranger to the internet, or posting on forums, but this is my first real exposure to a group of people who think that they can make a profit playing the family of games that offer the worst odds on planet earth (lottery).

       I have spent a great deal of my own personal time on this thread because in the process I have learned a great deal about the mindset of the average lottery player, how he thinks, how he reasons, etc. And while most of the people that benefit from this thread wouldn't make any posts admitting this, I can proudly admit that I have equally benifited from the outcomes produced in this thread (even when the outcome in some cases was for someone to choose not to post what they thought).

       I can also guess (based on what I have learned from the responses in this thread) that the likely response to this particular post would go something like this:

      "Good, I am glad you "learned" something from this, but what your telling us is what we already knew, now just let it go already."

      The only reason someone would make such comments would be out of jealousy, thats obvious.

      OK, so this thread is still open for Pete's input, it is after all about his system. The "yes or no" question is still pending, BTW.

       

      Regards, Jack 

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        First of all to wheel 6 digits all different (no doubles or triples) takes 20 numbers, not 18.

        Mr. Z's Scientific Number Selector has nothing to do with Pete's system outside of both using frequency to sort the digits.  The SNS looked at numbers formed across the columns as well as down the columns and criss-cross.  After the draw you could almost always draw a oval around the winning number, but finding it before hand was a real challenge.   

        Visiting Washington State to play their Pick-3 five or six times a week out of seven draw days would not be the way to play a system that is meant to be played seven days a week, unless you are tracking doubles and can choose the days not to play or visit Washington.

        The bad news is Pete's system doesn't work well for Washington. I began testing Feb 1st 2007 and gave up May 11th 2007.

        In 100 days there were 9 hits.  Of them 4 came from the cheaper method and 5 from the more expensive method that is built on the cheaper, there were no straight hits.

        This is not surprising because no system is seriously expected to work everywhere all the time despite what their authors' may claim.  Most of us have several systems in our tool box and know victory shifts from system to system and state to state. 

        A proper test would be for at least a year.  Just as you would test a slot machine with 10 plays to see how loose it is, you test a system against a game to see whether you should put real money on it or test against another game.  You should also be aware whether the game is computer drawn or real world and if real when the ballset collection is due to be destroyed and replaced.

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          First of all to wheel 6 digits all different (no doubles or triples) takes 20 numbers, not 18.

          Mr. Z's Scientific Number Selector has nothing to do with Pete's system outside of both using frequency to sort the digits.  The SNS looked at numbers formed across the columns as well as down the columns and criss-cross.  After the draw you could almost always draw a oval around the winning number, but finding it before hand was a real challenge.   

          Visiting Washington State to play their Pick-3 five or six times a week out of seven draw days would not be the way to play a system that is meant to be played seven days a week, unless you are tracking doubles and can choose the days not to play or visit Washington.

          The bad news is Pete's system doesn't work well for Washington. I began testing Feb 1st 2007 and gave up May 11th 2007.

          In 100 days there were 9 hits.  Of them 4 came from the cheaper method and 5 from the more expensive method that is built on the cheaper, there were no straight hits.

          This is not surprising because no system is seriously expected to work everywhere all the time despite what their authors' may claim.  Most of us have several systems in our tool box and know victory shifts from system to system and state to state. 

          A proper test would be for at least a year.  Just as you would test a slot machine with 10 plays to see how loose it is, you test a system against a game to see whether you should put real money on it or test against another game.  You should also be aware whether the game is computer drawn or real world and if real when the ballset collection is due to be destroyed and replaced.

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          I would like to thank you for being honest in you test results. I had concluded similar backtesting for Tennessee, California, Texas, and had similar results. I believe that a system can seem to have merit based on how much luck and coincidence play into the produced numbers hitting often for short periods of time, and that similar results can occur with random picks as well. They call it a winning streak, or good luck or what have you, but it does occur. However, it doesn't happen enough to ever make a worthwhile profit, and over the long haul everyone will become a net loser, system or no system by sheer odds alone. 

          I did find it interesting how you compared a years worth of lottery backtesting with 10 plays on a slot machine, and ironicly both lottery, and slot machines are net losers (and if we are allowed to be perfectly honest about it, sucker bets).

          If someone really wants to buy a $25 - $30 product that explains how to actually gain an edge in a gambling game, then I would suggest a product that can actually back it's claims, namely the book "Small Stakes Hold'em" by Ed Miller, David Sklansky, and Mason Malmuth. I have won the cost of the book back at least a hundred times over in the last four years playing online poker, and I have always made it to the money in home tourneys, not to mention dominated in small stakes home cash games with the knowledge I gained from that book. It's a lot harder, and requires a lot more brain power than playing lottery games, but you can make a profit from it, as poker is one of the few gambling games that affords a skilled player a positive expectation value (edge).

          Regards, Jack 

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             Whoa stack, you kinda took off in a whole other direction with this post, lol. I liked your previous post. If you think about it, I am not complianing about Pete's system, I am disscussing it, ya know. 

             I am not stranger to making money with gambling games. I am also no stranger to the internet, or posting on forums, but this is my first real exposure to a group of people who think that they can make a profit playing the family of games that offer the worst odds on planet earth (lottery).

             I have spent a great deal of my own personal time on this thread because in the process I have learned a great deal about the mindset of the average lottery player, how he thinks, how he reasons, etc. And while most of the people that benefit from this thread wouldn't make any posts admitting this, I can proudly admit that I have equally benifited from the outcomes produced in this thread (even when the outcome in some cases was for someone to choose not to post what they thought).

             I can also guess (based on what I have learned from the responses in this thread) that the likely response to this particular post would go something like this:

            "Good, I am glad you "learned" something from this, but what your telling us is what we already knew, now just let it go already."

            The only reason someone would make such comments would be out of jealousy, thats obvious.

            OK, so this thread is still open for Pete's input, it is after all about his system. The "yes or no" question is still pending, BTW.

             

            Regards, Jack 

            "this is my first real exposure to a group of people who think that they can make a profit playing the family of games that offer the worst odds on planet earth (lottery)."

            According to you those games offer the worst odds on the planet but apparently the two guys I know who won $10 million a piece and another guy that won $100,000 didn't know that. If you need to win a jackpot to make a profit, I agree with you but jackpot games offer secondary prizes and with a good playing strategy those small prizes are profitable.

            I played Pick-3 when it was the only online game with very few places that had terminals, but now I have the option of playing Pick-3, Pick-4, Rolling Cash 5 (5/39), Classic Lotto (6/49), Ten-Oh (10-spot keno style game), Mega Millions, and a huge variety of scratch-off games within walking distance of my home. Lottery Post is a group of people that share ideas, experiences, and playing strategies that help other players decide which games offer the best chance of being profitable for their lottery bucks.

            Hadn't I read it on LP, I probably would have not known that Pennsylvania is holding another Millionaire raffle. And I've read the pros and cons about the 1 in 125,000 chances of winning $1 million for a $20 wager on LP too. Is there is a game on the planet that offers me a better chance of winning $1 million for a $20 bet?

            "I am not complianing about Pete's system, I am disscussing it, ya know."

            There really isn't much to discuss because we could check the past results of any state Pick-3 game and see if the system would have produced a profit or we could test it for a few weeks and see how it does. I happen to noticed that the top 5 or 6 frequent digits produced box hits using SNS but that wasn't part of the SNS system. 

            If Pick-3 is the only game you can play, you could experiment with the ten combinations from Pete's system but don't expect to make lots of money. Playing Pick-3 we can only get $500 for $1 bet and while playing more combinations increases our chances of winning, it also decreases how much we can win. I can play 12 combinations for a $1 and one hits, I get back 1/12 of $500. And that is not what I call a big lottery win.

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              "I did find it interesting how you compared a years worth of lottery backtesting with 10 plays on a slot machine, and ironicly both lottery, and slot machines are net losers (and if we are allowed to be perfectly honest about it, sucker bets). "


              With lottery you have the luxury of testing as long as you like, it costs nothing to play on paper as if you had played.  While past results doesn't guarantee future success, what else do we have to go on?

              With slots, you pay to test so you need to establish criteria to determine whether to stay with a machine or switch to one programed for a different rate of return.  Taking ten spins as a sub-sample a machine that gives you something back or a bonus play in ten spins is going to provide more action then a machine that just takes your money. 

              There are lucky streaks programed into slot machines, and winnings can have you in profit before the eventual return to equilibrium.  The one power you have is to take your winnings AND WALK AWAY!

              If you think about it, with online play you can turn Pick-3 into red or black roulette a 50/50 bet without 0 and 00.  Straight pays $225.00 for a 25 cent wager.  You can play half the field, 500 of the 1000 numbers for $125.00 you could even hedge the bet and play 600 or 700 numbers for $150 or $175.  You can even play the box numbers their three or six ways boxed which pays as much as straight.  btw: Poker is played against the other players like class II slots, not the against the house like class III slots.

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                "I did find it interesting how you compared a years worth of lottery backtesting with 10 plays on a slot machine, and ironicly both lottery, and slot machines are net losers (and if we are allowed to be perfectly honest about it, sucker bets). "


                With lottery you have the luxury of testing as long as you like, it costs nothing to play on paper as if you had played.  While past results doesn't guarantee future success, what else do we have to go on?

                With slots, you pay to test so you need to establish criteria to determine whether to stay with a machine or switch to one programed for a different rate of return.  Taking ten spins as a sub-sample a machine that gives you something back or a bonus play in ten spins is going to provide more action then a machine that just takes your money. 

                There are lucky streaks programed into slot machines, and winnings can have you in profit before the eventual return to equilibrium.  The one power you have is to take your winnings AND WALK AWAY!

                If you think about it, with online play you can turn Pick-3 into red or black roulette a 50/50 bet without 0 and 00.  Straight pays $225.00 for a 25 cent wager.  You can play half the field, 500 of the 1000 numbers for $125.00 you could even hedge the bet and play 600 or 700 numbers for $150 or $175.  You can even play the box numbers their three or six ways boxed which pays as much as straight.  btw: Poker is played against the other players like class II slots, not the against the house like class III slots.

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                "The one power you have is to take your winnings AND WALK AWAY!"

                 

                Yeah, assuming there are any winnings to speak of. Slots offer some of the worst odds in the casino, and account for most of it's earnings.  

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                  Yeah it can't be found via a direct search. What the blogger did was basically review the system along with other pay systems, and in doing so revealed it's content. I didn't book mark the blog site, but the info was easy enough to remember. If the blogger could be sued for that then I guess every person who reveals the content of a book on amazon can be sued as well. Seems kind of absurd, but whatever. 

                  If you did a recent searh depending on how far you have "history" set in your browser you might be able to go back through daily internet activity and find it.  That's how I find stuff I've failed to bookmark but want later. 

                  Good luck to everyone!

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                    If you did a recent searh depending on how far you have "history" set in your browser you might be able to go back through daily internet activity and find it.  That's how I find stuff I've failed to bookmark but want later. 

                     There is enough info in this thread to figure out Pete's system. That is unless Pete has altered his blog to prevent people from seeing  parts of his blog that reveal parts of his system. If it's still there, a few other people in this thread blurted out the other parts. It's all in this thread.

                    Regards, Jack 

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                      Reading this thread is upsetting my system. LOL!!  Time to get out the Pepto.

                      Puke

                       

                      Anyone want a cheap system?  Here's mine.  Close your eyes, start clucking like a chicken, skip in a circle, yell Lord O Mighty save me please, fall to your knees and think of the first 6 numbers that come to mind.

                      Donations welcome.

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                        So that was you in the Keno Lounge at the Tropicana in Vegas!

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                        This thread kind of reminds me of something in a course I took on mail order businesses - selling information - of everything out there you could sell in the mail, people ordering gambling systems are the most likely to send you a bad check - and the reason for that was they not only want to beat the house, they want to beat you out of the price for the info., too. 

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                          So that was you in the Keno Lounge at the Tropicana in Vegas!

                          Green laugh

                          This thread kind of reminds me of something in a course I took on mail order businesses - selling information - of everything out there you could sell in the mail, people ordering gambling systems are the most likely to send you a bad check - and the reason for that was they not only want to beat the house, they want to beat you out of the price for the info., too. 

                          It's a two way street, the crooks sending the bad checks are no better than the con man selling the system. 

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                             There is enough info in this thread to figure out Pete's system. That is unless Pete has altered his blog to prevent people from seeing  parts of his blog that reveal parts of his system. If it's still there, a few other people in this thread blurted out the other parts. It's all in this thread.

                            Regards, Jack 

                            There is enough information on Lottery Post where anybody could create a system, call it their own, and sell it. If I revealed or blurted out parts of Pete's method, it's only because of an observation I made over 25 years ago using the SNS method. I have a copy of Professor Jones' book I bought for $4.95 that has the same observation.

                            Somebody was probably selling a system the day before the first state had its first pick-3 drawing and people were talking about their own systems the next day. It's not unreasonable that you asked for proof this system works and it's easy enough to post predictions as proof without revealing the system mechanics unless somebody like me tried the same thing many years ago. I believe the test of any system is "does it produce hits?" and "can I use it to make a profit?". I wouldn't pay $27 for a system when the answers are "sometimes" and "I don't know".

                            Most lottery programs analyze data and some offer websites where you can download most lottery results weekly. They are not really systems where you enter something and get the results an hour before the drawing. Basically they are tools that help you make the best decision. I have a premium membership on LP because it has a large variety of tools I can use to get the most out of my lottery budget. 

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                               There is enough info in this thread to figure out Pete's system. That is unless Pete has altered his blog to prevent people from seeing  parts of his blog that reveal parts of his system. If it's still there, a few other people in this thread blurted out the other parts. It's all in this thread.

                              Regards, Jack 

                              All the lottery systems I've ever seen for sale have similarities so it's likely someone mentioned something that's in his system without knowing it.  If Pete's system was unique it probably couldn't be explained in a few sentences.

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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