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Quote: Originally posted by Summertime on Nov 7, 2007
Anyone could pick ten different combos for all the different states and get hits over the course of a number of days, you don't need a system to do it, and it doesn't prove anything. The reason you will get the hits is because you are putting a huge net of numbers over a great many games and shooting for a 6-way box somewhere, somehow. Hust because you get a hit here or there doesn't mean that the thing is making money though because if you were to have had put money down on every game that was taken into consideration in every state, over that span of time the losers would far outweigh the winners and you would actually LOSE money even though you cought a few hit here and there. It is an illusion that the thing is making a profit because it caught a few numbers here or there, but the loses were not taken into consideration and weighed against the wins.
I predicted some numbers earlier in this thread at random to prove this very point. What people need to realize here that are easily fooled by such dealer tactics is that just because some predicted numbers hit hypothetically doesn't mean that the hits produced a profit, because the hypothetical loses were so conveniently not mentioned, whereas the that hit were all that was focused on. This sort of a thing makes for system fluff, and hype. Simply put it's things like this that appear to make a system seem like a winner, but in reality only less than half the picture was taken into account, namely the numbers that would of hit, the reality of all the great many numbers that would of made the would venture a failure were never discussed, out of site, out of mind.
Regards, Jack
What part of Stack47's post didn't you understand?
"As for Pete proving his system works, he is posting ten 3 digit combination predictions, the predictions are unique to each state, and he is getting hits so it does have credibility. It looks like he is wheeling 5 digits and playing the 10 combination it produces but it will probably cost us $27 if we want to discuss how the digits are chosen with Pete. "
10 unique numbers per state is not broadcasting 10 numbers across 70 draws where the odds of winning something would be very high. Instead he is playing as you would play, each state stands alone as an independent draw. No one says a system must work in every state, what matters is whether it works in the state game you play in.
You also continue to ignore the fact we can play any state game on line at a 90% return instead of 50% at the Quickie Mart. When you can play for twenty five cents and win $37.50 for six-way box and $75.00 for three-way box and straight pays $225.00 any system that gets hits is much more effective where money management can play a factor in making the ride lasts longer.
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Summertime
I don't see you aggressively going after the many other lottery system sellers? Say for example, Gail Howard. Do you think she would step up and prove to you that any of her systems turn a profit?
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Quote: Originally posted by pegeler on Nov 7, 2007
Okay, these are my last comments on this issue.
1) Jack, you didn't need "proof", I wasn't low-down, and people weren't "mis-lead" for playing the pick 3 lottery games, WHEN YOU HOPED TO "TRADE IT".
2) When I declined, you went to work at once to blast me for not providing YOU with proof. Not only on this forum, but on several others.
3) As you continue to post, you continue to berate those that say or would assume that they might win playing the lotto.
4) The more you post, the sillier you look.
Is there a market for my program? Yes.
Now take your meds and get off my back.
Pete
Wow Pete, your getting all this attention, many thousands of eyes are focused on you and your system, and all you can seem to talk about is me. This is your chance for you to show the world how great your system is, and you act like you have something to hide. Your on the defensive, and acting gun-shy when you should be proudly proclaiming all of the great aspects of your system, and backing up your claims with proof as to seal within the minds of the people absolute conviction that your system can beat theirs "hands down".
There is no chance you will post any proof that your system can produce any longterm, meaningful profit for it's user that much is apparent (obviously).
But I wanna ask you something. Will you, out of respect for your current customers, and of course for future ones as well, admit the truth that no proof exists that your system can make it's user any longterm meaningful profit.
In order to make answering this as easy as possible for you I will pose it in the form of a yes or no question, and a simple "yes", or "no" answer will suffice.
Failure to answer this question, or failure to honestly answer this question should be taken as a sign of disrespect to your present, and future customers, and an afront in the face of the lottery community at large for now, and for ever more.
Here it is Pete:
Do you have proof that your system can make it's user any longterm, and meaningful profit, and also proof that encompasses the claims, and implications you have made about your system in the past, and in the present, in an attempt to extract easy money from the world at large via the internet?
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Quote: Originally posted by Summertime on Nov 7, 2007
Wow Pete, your getting all this attention, many thousands of eyes are focused on you and your system, and all you can seem to talk about is me. This is your chance for you to show the world how great your system is, and you act like you have something to hide. Your on the defensive, and acting gun-shy when you should be proudly proclaiming all of the great aspects of your system, and backing up your claims with proof as to seal within the minds of the people absolute conviction that your system can beat theirs "hands down".
There is no chance you will post any proof that your system can produce any longterm, meaningful profit for it's user that much is apparent (obviously).
But I wanna ask you something. Will you, out of respect for your current customers, and of course for future ones as well, admit the truth that no proof exists that your system can make it's user any longterm meaningful profit.
In order to make answering this as easy as possible for you I will pose it in the form of a yes or no question, and a simple "yes", or "no" answer will suffice.
Failure to answer this question, or failure to honestly answer this question should be taken as a sign of disrespect to your present, and future customers, and an afront in the face of the lottery community at large for now, and for ever more.
Here it is Pete:
Do you have proof that your system can make it's user any longterm, and meaningful profit, and also proof that encompasses the claims, and implications you have made about your system in the past, and in the present, in an attempt to extract easy money from the world at large via the internet?
yes, or NO ? ? ?
Jack,
You are probably over estimating the amount of attention Pete is getting because of this thread. Pete recently PM me to offer a "watered down" version of his paper and pencil system for free if I would request it by e-mail. I didn't response because: 1. I'm not a pick3 player. 2. I didn't buy a computer to use paper and pencil to pick my lottery number. 3. I'm capable of writing a program that can do anything I can do with paper and pencil and do it faster.
I think Pete was more interested in getting an e-mail address than selling his paper and pencil system because on his website he has other money making schemes available.
* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Quote: Originally posted by Summertime on Nov 1, 2007
Lets talk about pick three systems for a minute here folks. OK, as far as pick 3 systems go the easiest way to get a win in any lottery game is to shoot for a 6-way box with 3 unique numbers, because it offers the best odds of winning a a small cash prize. We all know that it feels good to win, and winning is fun, but there is a difference between winning and making a net profit over the long run. Now if you start playing $25-30 a week on pick three using 3 unique numbers you are going to win no matter how you came up with the numbers. But you are not going to win enough money, enough times, to beat the game. over the course of time you will lose money.
OK a man has his pride, and if he buys a system any win he gets he is going to credit to the system he bought, because he wants to feel like he made to right choice and bought a winning system.
One thing that system sellers do is predict a bunch of numbers using their system, and then afterwards go to all the different states lottery websites until they find a winning match with one of the number combos, and then they say look,"I predicted 623 and 3 days later in hit box as 263 in the texas mid-day. Don't you see how powerful this system is, order today and start winning!!!??? " But the funny thing is, did the system dealer have a ticket for that game? NO!!!
This can be done with any numbers by anyone. Lets try it.
I predict at random that one of the following numbers will hit boxed in some state somewhere within the next week:
I have just predicted the future, and I will get a hit using my Ultra Random Prediction System(c)
and even though I will not have a ticket for the game where my system wins, or mention the fact that if I were to play all these combos on every pick 3 game in all states that have a pick 3 game my loses would be far in excess of my winnings, it will demonstrate the amazing power of this odds crushing system and hype you up enough based on what you do not understand to buy my exclusive system TODAY!!!
Check back to see which combo hit in which state.
My prediction came true. I posted the above on 11/1/07, and on 11/04/07 195 (915 above) hit a 6-way box on the CA lottery's mid day pick 3 game called "daily 3", it hit for $39.
I didn't use pete's system, or any other system to do this (Ultra Random Prediction System (c) was a joke BTW). Anyone can do this, it is totally random, and this is a trick systems dealers use to hype people up to buy their system, it doesn't "prove" that a their system can work.
Anyone can "WIN" doing this, but nobody can profit from this.
BTW, we are still waiting for Pete's yes or no answer. Pete has plenty to say about his system IF it's on his terms. Asking for hard and fast proof from him that his system works is outside of the scope of his terms. Sending him $27, no questions asked, is well within the scope of his terms.
Learn the facts, learn the odds, spot the schemes.
Dump Water Florida United States
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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Nov 8, 2007
Jack,
You are probably over estimating the amount of attention Pete is getting because of this thread. Pete recently PM me to offer a "watered down" version of his paper and pencil system for free if I would request it by e-mail. I didn't response because: 1. I'm not a pick3 player. 2. I didn't buy a computer to use paper and pencil to pick my lottery number. 3. I'm capable of writing a program that can do anything I can do with paper and pencil and do it faster.
I think Pete was more interested in getting an e-mail address than selling his paper and pencil system because on his website he has other money making schemes available.
RJOh "Pete recently PM me to offer a "watered down" version of his paper and pencil system for free if I would request it by e-mail. I didn't response because: 1. I'm not a pick3 player. 2. I didn't buy a computer to use paper and pencil to pick my lottery number. 3. I'm capable of writing a program that can do anything I can do with paper and pencil and do it faster.
I think Pete was more interested in getting an e-mail address than selling his paper and pencil system because on his website he has other money making schemes available. "
How do you go about writing a better faster computer program when you don't know the system specifications?
Why would Pete want your email when you already went to his site and saw the money making oppertunities? Don't they sell spammer cd's with like a million emails for ten dollars? Maybe he just wanted to give you a free copy of his system because you are an honest impartial third party opinion with no stake in Pick-3.
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Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Nov 10, 2007
RJOh "Pete recently PM me to offer a "watered down" version of his paper and pencil system for free if I would request it by e-mail. I didn't response because: 1. I'm not a pick3 player. 2. I didn't buy a computer to use paper and pencil to pick my lottery number. 3. I'm capable of writing a program that can do anything I can do with paper and pencil and do it faster.
I think Pete was more interested in getting an e-mail address than selling his paper and pencil system because on his website he has other money making schemes available. "
How do you go about writing a better faster computer program when you don't know the system specifications?
Why would Pete want your email when you already went to his site and saw the money making oppertunities? Don't they sell spammer cd's with like a million emails for ten dollars? Maybe he just wanted to give you a free copy of his system because you are an honest impartial third party opinion with no stake in Pick-3.
BobP
BobP,
I never claimed I could write any program (better or worst) for a system I didn't know but as I said I'm capable of writing a program that can do anything I can do with paper and pencil that will do it faster. It wouldn't be better just faster.
I went to the website where Pete gets his e-mail after he PM me with his e-mail address, until then I didn't know how to find it.
I assume Pete PM me to get my attention and it did get me to check his website, maybe he made the same offer to everyone who responded to this thread.
* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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I got his system and have had it for a month or two now. I told him if i hit his predicted numbers twice in one week I would buy it....It has hit every week I played it. He is correct in saying it will hit on average once or twice in a week as it has done this for me week in and week out. One week I hit 5 times.... 2 straights and 5 boxes (played the straights in box format too)
Yes, its a bit pricey, but it works... what more do you guys want? Oh I know... you want it for free....
We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!
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Quote: Originally posted by Rakster on Nov 10, 2007
I got his system and have had it for a month or two now. I told him if i hit his predicted numbers twice in one week I would buy it....It has hit every week I played it. He is correct in saying it will hit on average once or twice in a week as it has done this for me week in and week out. One week I hit 5 times.... 2 straights and 5 boxes (played the straights in box format too)
Yes, its a bit pricey, but it works... what more do you guys want? Oh I know... you want it for free....
Congratulations, sounds like you're making money playing the pick3 games.
I'm waiting for someone to come up a system that will do the same for the the pick5 and jackpot games players. Good luck and continued success to you.
* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *