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Mathematics and the Lottery

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Can a winning lottery system be created with existing math formulas?

Yes-It's all in the math books. [ 228 ]  [43.02%]
No-Anew math for will have to be created. [ 78 ]  [14.72%]
Math won't beat the lottery regularly. [ 224 ]  [42.26%]
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Posted: February 4, 2014, 12:26 pm - IP Logged

IMHO
1. Cheaper than ball machines which have a high maintenance cost.
2. Drawings are quicker, and cheaper. Fewer employees required. Not a lot of extra paperwork.
3. Allow drawings to be held behind closed doors.
4. Give lottery ability to cheat. There have been instances where code was changed to give the lottery
an advantage. However, attentive players discovered and exposed the cheating.
5. Although many players have demanded computers be scrapped, lottery officials ignore them. They, operators, apparently
find that operating in secret provides hidden opportunities to increase profits.

There may be more.
Todd knows!

  • I am not sure that it is cheaper. IT is not cheap, often it is not buying but renting software and paying repairs or changes.
  • Real drawings requiring more paper? That you can automize like they did with the entire administration everywhere. Hardly anything still works on paper even if that is cheaper. Finally they often use more employees on systems that are set with too hard restrictions. Nobody knows anything.
  • Drawings are always behind closed doors. If people are allowed to watch, there are restrictions. They could charge entry for that and reduce the costs to zero. Machines that you use a few times a day won't break. A bus costs money, a lottery machine? Give me a break! A lottery has a lot of money. Pay less to the CEO's and give the money back to players. Some people earn too much, that is where the money is going to. Pbulicity and such is mostly redundant, it is on costs of the payouts. (...)
  • I would not know where you want to cheat. The only cheat would be that they manipulate the drawing results after analyzing the played tickets! You would then pick a result that is paying out nothing or little. That would be cheating.
  • The lotteries are companies working with people who studied different domains, like for example economics and marketing. They suck money out of the system increasing the prices. They do not tend to offer better prices, higher payout and efficient services. They simply work in their pockets, and that is their one and only goal. Eventually they get cheaper scraping the retailers who take their shares. I the six percent lost to retailers could be added to the payouts, that would be good.
  • You never can be sure of what you are reading. Behind mostly everything is a margin.

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    This is so stupid. Anyone who claims to be into Math, and says or implies it's any kind of tool to gain advantage over any lotto to any degree is a doggone fool .   This crap is as random as any game in a casino.  Don't go trying to fool all these youngsters going to school. You're just setting them up for a  disappointment.

    And, I'm not going to believe any stories about "Well, my neighbor won so many times . . . .".   
    My reply to that will be "Yeah, but it wasn't you".

    Given the amount of numbers on the play slips, and/or the number of ping pong balls to choose from, that's all there is to choose from. 

    BUt THE REAL QUESTION IS:  Can you cover with your own bankroll the number of combinations. Or, when you say win, are you referring to a $2 prize?

    Math and Lotto?  Hang it up.    You don't need to go to school to learn it's random.

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      I had 5/6 in local lotto, and 8/10 in local keno, not my neighbour. Thumbs Up They doubled the price of a ticket for lotto, added 3 numbers and the payout ratio of 4/6 was lowered. Scared


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        This is so stupid. Anyone who claims to be into Math, and says or implies it's any kind of tool to gain advantage over any lotto to any degree is a doggone fool .   This crap is as random as any game in a casino.  Don't go trying to fool all these youngsters going to school. You're just setting them up for a  disappointment.

        And, I'm not going to believe any stories about "Well, my neighbor won so many times . . . .".   
        My reply to that will be "Yeah, but it wasn't you".

        Given the amount of numbers on the play slips, and/or the number of ping pong balls to choose from, that's all there is to choose from. 

        BUt THE REAL QUESTION IS:  Can you cover with your own bankroll the number of combinations. Or, when you say win, are you referring to a $2 prize?

        Math and Lotto?  Hang it up.    You don't need to go to school to learn it's random.

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          I think that the term random is taught at school and not elsewhere.

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            Posted: March 2, 2014, 6:13 am - IP Logged

            This is so stupid. Anyone who claims to be into Math, and says or implies it's any kind of tool to gain advantage over any lotto to any degree is a doggone fool .   This crap is as random as any game in a casino.  Don't go trying to fool all these youngsters going to school. You're just setting them up for a  disappointment.

            And, I'm not going to believe any stories about "Well, my neighbor won so many times . . . .".   
            My reply to that will be "Yeah, but it wasn't you".

            Given the amount of numbers on the play slips, and/or the number of ping pong balls to choose from, that's all there is to choose from. 

            BUt THE REAL QUESTION IS:  Can you cover with your own bankroll the number of combinations. Or, when you say win, are you referring to a $2 prize?

            Math and Lotto?  Hang it up.    You don't need to go to school to learn it's random.

            Hate to bust your tiny little bubble. I use math and get numbers an WIN most of the time. Some draws I miss them all.  I think winning $10,000 on PB 3 times USING math is good enough for me. NOt My neighbor

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              This is so stupid. Anyone who claims to be into Math, and says or implies it's any kind of tool to gain advantage over any lotto to any degree is a doggone fool .   This crap is as random as any game in a casino.  Don't go trying to fool all these youngsters going to school. You're just setting them up for a  disappointment.

              And, I'm not going to believe any stories about "Well, my neighbor won so many times . . . .".   
              My reply to that will be "Yeah, but it wasn't you".

              Given the amount of numbers on the play slips, and/or the number of ping pong balls to choose from, that's all there is to choose from. 

              BUt THE REAL QUESTION IS:  Can you cover with your own bankroll the number of combinations. Or, when you say win, are you referring to a $2 prize?

              Math and Lotto?  Hang it up.    You don't need to go to school to learn it's random.

              RNG lotteries are not truly random, they are pseudo-random.  Computers are man made and logical in function.  The calculations come from mathematical algorithms starting with a seed, and each subsequent number based upon the last.  As such, the numbers are repeatable and randomness can be eliminated.  However, seeds can be based upon such factors as milliseconds of time thereby creating an infinite seed factor.  And without the knowledge of the specific seeding (which can be, and often is, a one specific point in time unit) it is nearly impossible to predetermine the forthcoming calculation. Thus, the seeding determination actually has higher odds of determination than the lottery itself.  It is this aspect that deems statistical testing to be completely random. 

              So... to answer the question of is it random, no it is not.  Random is to occur without method.   It is a logical calculation that is improbable of being determined due to uncontrollable, yet still methodical, inputs creating random like results.

              I learned this in school.

              However, regardless of random or not, my pockets are still awaiting that jackpot win that will come from buying the right ticket at the right time through luck or divine intervention, and printed out by a logically functioning computer terminal.

                I'm feeling a jackpot win coming my way!

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                What if you could predict, just strictly from psychic ability, 2 of the 5 numbers and the powerball  / megaplier? That would leave the need for some sort of system to predict the remaining 3 numbers.

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                  Posted: March 10, 2014, 7:34 pm - IP Logged

                  What if you could predict, just strictly from psychic ability, 2 of the 5 numbers and the powerball  / megaplier? That would leave the need for some sort of system to predict the remaining 3 numbers.

                  If you could do that you wouldn't need anything else.  All your tickets would win $7 x the powerplay and the odds of you winning the PB jackpot would be reduced to 1:30,000.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    What if you could predict, just strictly from psychic ability, 2 of the 5 numbers and the powerball  / megaplier? That would leave the need for some sort of system to predict the remaining 3 numbers.

                    Powerball only $4 for $2 wager.
                    Which psychic can do that without missing?


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                      This is so stupid. Anyone who claims to be into Math, and says or implies it's any kind of tool to gain advantage over any lotto to any degree is a doggone fool .   This crap is as random as any game in a casino.  Don't go trying to fool all these youngsters going to school. You're just setting them up for a  disappointment.

                      And, I'm not going to believe any stories about "Well, my neighbor won so many times . . . .".   
                      My reply to that will be "Yeah, but it wasn't you".

                      Given the amount of numbers on the play slips, and/or the number of ping pong balls to choose from, that's all there is to choose from. 

                      BUt THE REAL QUESTION IS:  Can you cover with your own bankroll the number of combinations. Or, when you say win, are you referring to a $2 prize?

                      Math and Lotto?  Hang it up.    You don't need to go to school to learn it's random.

                      You're brilliant!

                      I agree, how can something like "MATH", which involves using NUMBERS, have anything to do with the Lottery?

                      Makes sense to me. What we should use is letters, shapes, and odors instead of numbers to decide what our next picks would be. Crazy

                      I'm running out of Darwin Awards and plaques. Gotta order more, much much more.

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                        FYI

                        http://phys.org/news/2014-04-uncertainty.html

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                          The correct answer should be D) None of the above.

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                          No.  Mathematics will never be able to predict a (truly) random occurance.  In the example that follows here, if you have 102 known drawings, and use the middle 100 to derive any formula which can predict the first or last number drawn, you will never find it.  Use any range of numbers.  Use 100,000,002 random drawings.  Exclude the first and last and use only the middle 100 million for your formula to look forward or backward.  You will not find the answer, even with this sample size.  Size has no affect on accuracy, or any other factor, again, if the drawings are truly random.  Random (chaos) does not permit this.  Wiki and WolframAlpha do a really good job of introducing students to these and other theories.  Find a way and you have found it is not random.  Please, I must repeat myself, if you find a way to make an occurance predictable, it is NOT random.

                           

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                          Do I believe lottos are "truly" random?  No.  I do not.

                          1. Pseudo random computerized generators are absolute junk.  Software defeated by software, hacked by software, etc.  It will be a cat and mouse game to hack that system and win.  Rest assured, given the time and resources, it will prove hackable.  If not hackable, corruptable.  Made corruptable by the same people that made it, the same people that rig elections, the same people that know the distribution pattern of scratchers.  Allow a human in on any part of the equation and it is suddenly not fair.
                          2. Bouncing balls:  (I was expecting indentation to give me little a. and b.)
                            1. Take the PA daily some years ago.  The lottery was infiltrated by the mob.  They had ping pong balls that had different weights.  It was in the paint or the black pigment for the numbers on the balls, I forget exactly.  Statistically, the heavier balls did not rise to the top of the machine and get sucked into the ball catcher.  In time, it was painfully obvious.  The bookies made out like bandits.  That was the intent.  Normal citizens found their odds a little worse.  How do I know this as a fact, due to this happening before the internet was very wide spread, therefore the news may be a little hard to find?  My uncle-in-law was a bookie in PA after the steel mills closed, after the unemployment ran out, after the welfare benfits ran out.  He became a crook.  And he did time for it.
                            2. Fluid dynamic simulations of how the balls bounce around in a lotto machine show patterns.  These patterns of how the balls arrange themselves can be exploited.  Sadly, us Excel spreadsheet gurus are out of this league of mathematics.  But it is fun, however.  I do hope that some of you are good with advanced (PhD level) maths.

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                          I leave you in peace.  Gamble responsibly, please.  Even if you don't buy any of that above, you gotta believe that!

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                            fyi

                            'Math detective' analyzes odds for suspicious lottery wins

                            http://phys.org/news/2014-04-math-odds-suspicious-lottery.html

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                              fyi

                              'Math detective' analyzes odds for suspicious lottery wins

                              http://phys.org/news/2014-04-math-odds-suspicious-lottery.html

                              There are a lot of other lottery news stories there too. Sounds like you got to be extremely lucky or a crook to win often.

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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