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PI in the Pick 3? What are we talking about exactly? A few ideas...

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Please remember that the only mental manipulation you have to perform with the program's results,  is in the case of a 0 or 9. For the 'most' part, Keep it in the back of your mind that they are interchangeable .

So if you see a 303, it can also be a 393; Or vice versa of course.

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    As far as the RINGS OF PI program is concerned, it tells you to enter the last draw, and then the 2nd to last draw. Well, people are also finding good results by reversing the order and entering the 2nd to last draw in the "last draw box", and then entering the last draw in the "2nd to last draw box". Please experiment...

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      Please take note: People who use Open Office Calc. for the Rings of Pi Excel program will usually have problems. The conversions will not be done properly, if at all, and the numerical results you get will be wrong.

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        Hello...

        This short post was inspired by member Kellmusa55's thread about PI in the MATHEMATICS forum. I thought I'd address the PI question with a few rough ideas and a lean towards a Systems approach. I don't have the time for a more nuanced discussion, but hopefully this will be a little food for thought and possibly help us connect the dots...

        I've appreciated the ad-infinitum discussion about PI on the LP, for many of us have been trying to figure out what  "x"  could be.

        These are the commonly spoken of PI formulas on the LP.

        1. (x / p) + c

        2. (x / p ) - c

        3. (x + c) / p

        4. (x - c) / p

        It has been said that:

        "X" may be the last draw, a multiple of draws or is at least in some way connected to the draws,

        "P" is PI, and

        "C" is the circumference.

        The discussion about what "x" could be have been lively. Its escapes me as to why the other variables, "p" and "c",  haven't been addressed with the same vigor. They are just as important...For example, which value for PI" are we speaking of, and what is this circumference we are talking about? PI is connected to the circumference of a circle. So if you're going to use PI in a Pick 3 formula, it may be pivotal to have some working ideas about "c", the circumference. If you nail that down, it could possibly give you a better construct with which to work and may have a bearing on what "x" could ultimately be....

         

        What is the circumference of the Pick 3? To put it crudely, the Pick 3 is ideologically composed of 1000 sequential points moving in a circular pattern, and so it follows that the Macro-Universe or Macro-circumference of the Pick 3 is 000 to 999. This circumference may change depending on, for example, the draws you're working with, the target range of numbers, the pi formula you're using and etc...Additionally, and more importantly, lets say, the Pick 3 further consists of 3 tiers, or Micro-circumferences.

        Each Micro-circumference is its own Micro-universe

        Tier 1 is 000 - 333: numbers 000 to 333

        Tier 2 is 333 - 666: numbers 333 to 666

        Tier 3 is 666 - 999: numbers 666 to 999

        Further subdivisions are 111, 222,333, 444 and etc...Each Tier has 333 points.

        I think its very important to pay attention to which circumference is in play. If you do so, it may radically change the results you get.

        Now as for PI, once you know the circumference you are using, it may seriously alter the value of the PI you input. Instead of just using 3.14159, you may have to, for example, double PI as in 3.14159  x  2 = 628.318 for Tier 2, or even triple PI for Tier 3. To not do so, may throw results way off track...Please remember there are no locked in rules here, just ideas for exploration...

         

        Lets now look at or look for the elusive "X".

        In the Pick 3 and as it relates to PI, we are going to use one of our 3 tiers or 3 circumferences to find  the next "x" point given a set of past "x" points. In the standard formula of (x / p) + c, lets hypothetically assume that the value of "x" in the Pick 3 formulas above is determined by some combination of the "past draws". How do we use these draws together, especially if they are in totally different tiers? In order to use these draws together we first have to synchronize them into the same "frequency", or into the same tier. How? You add or subtract 333 and 666 when necessary.

        So for example:

        223 was the last draw - falls into Tier 1

        799 was the second to last draw - falls into tier 3

        To use the 2 draws together you would have to synchronize the second to last draw of Tier 2:799  - into the last draw of Tier 1:223 . You do so, because 223 is the draw that fell last, and so its the dominant draw(generally speaking).

        799 gets conscripted into 223. So you take 799 and subtract 666 from it to bring it into Tier 1. So,

           799

        -  666

        -----------

        = 133

        Notice how you have just brought the Tier 3 number of 799 and turned into the Tier 1 number of 133.

        Now you can work with 133 and 223 together. How? Its up to you to explore. You can, among other ways for example, add them together and then divide by 2. If you had used 3 draws, you would have added them together and then divide by 3, and etc...You then put your one result into "X" and in the formulas at the top of the page.

        So for example, if you use (x / p ) + C, you would put your result into "X" and then divide it by the appropriate value of PI depending on the Tier you are using and then to that 1 value of "X", you can successively add 111,222,333,444,555,666,777, 888, 999(and possibly with some importance- their "mirrors") for a working group of 9 numbers.

        The above was arrived at by thinking about the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, which is:

        C = PI x Diameter = 3.14159 x Diameter = 3.14159 x  2(radius) = PI x 2R.

        If you meditate on the standard formula of PI above, it may help you decide which of the four Pick 3 PI formulas you want to use. All of them are valid, but if you stick with one or two that makes the most sense to you, and work with that as creatively as you can, along with a smidgen of logic,  you may derive more benefit than by randomly using using all 4 formulas.

        In the end its up to you to determine if you're going to use lottery math or regular math. Whichever it is, be consistent with it throughout your workouts. Of course you can play with both, but maybe not in the same workout. Its also up to you to determine the number of draws that you use for "X". I would suggest not going beyond your last 9 draws. So lets say you can use between 2 and 9 draws. If you decide to play with these ideas more deeply, observe and try to settle, for the most part, on a particular number of past draws with which to work. Decide well, its not an arbitrary choice...

        Lastly, this idea of synchronization, and by extension transformation, is not exclusive to the PI formula discussion, and I believe its quite fundamental to the lottery in general and to the idea of symmetry and balance, or rather harmony, which in the end is whats at play in the Pick 3. Right?

        Happy Explorations!

        Kola

        Kola thanks for the information you are a genius

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          Kola thanks for the information you are a genius

          You're welcome Aquarium, and thanks for taking the time to post that kind and generous comment...

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            See above where I said "Add subdivisions of PI and mirrors......"

            It should read "Add the subdivisions of the circumferences and their mirrors to Seed Number of 62.866"

            Whats ph means please.thanks

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              Whats ph means please.thanks

              Hello cuteban25,

               

              Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter:

              C / D = 3.14159265

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                Hello cuteban25,

                 

                Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter:

                C / D = 3.14159265

                Soo hp is pi right?and what is the meaning of scoop, key digits or box mirror and shortbox mirror ......pollination number...? Please, thanks

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                  Soo hp is pi right?and what is the meaning of scoop, key digits or box mirror and shortbox mirror ......pollination number...? Please, thanks

                  Hello Aquarium,

                  Yes, cuteban25 made a mistake writing ph instead of Pi. Those other terms you mentioned are not used in this thread, and it would be better if you ask the people in whose threads commonly use those terms within the context of their systems....

                  The only term I can confidently answer is the question of "mirrors".

                  The mirrors are:

                  0 = 5

                  1 = 6

                  2 = 7

                  3 = 8

                  4 = 9

                  Do a "search" on 'mirrors' and 'v-tracs', and look at the older posts to get a good bearing on how various people have used them...

                  I hope that helps...

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                    Hello Aquarium,

                    Yes, cuteban25 made a mistake writing ph instead of Pi. Those other terms you mentioned are not used in this thread, and it would be better if you ask the people in whose threads commonly use those terms within the context of their systems....

                    The only term I can confidently answer is the question of "mirrors".

                    The mirrors are:

                    0 = 5

                    1 = 6

                    2 = 7

                    3 = 8

                    4 = 9

                    Do a "search" on 'mirrors' and 'v-tracs', and look at the older posts to get a good bearing on how various people have used them...

                    I hope that helps...

                    Hi Kola: Please could you tell me what's wrong on this PI math.last draw 471 & second 146 convert it to 2nd tier 146+333=479.now total is 950 divide by 2=475.This total divide by 2PI=75.598.It's right?And 000 + 75.5 =075.5 etc,etc.

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                      Soo hp is pi right?and what is the meaning of scoop, key digits or box mirror and shortbox mirror ......pollination number...? Please, thanks

                      Daily three,
                      Last draw-1985
                      2nd last-0710
                      Transformed number not needed, both tier 1
                      1985+0710=2695

                      2695/2=1347.5

                      1347.5/pi(3.14159)=428.922

                      0000------------428.922
                      1111------------1539
                      2222------------2650
                      3333------------3761
                      4444------------4872
                      5555------------5983
                      6666------------7094
                      7777------------8205
                      8888------------9316
                      9999------------10427=0428.922

                      Daily3-
                      Last draw-135(tier1)
                      Last 2nd-854(tier3)

                      854-666=188(transformed number to tier1)

                      188+135=323
                      323/2=161.5
                      161.5/pi(3.14159)=51.407

                      000--------51.407
                      111--------162
                      222--------273
                      333--------384
                      444--------495
                      555--------606
                      666--------717
                      777--------828
                      888--------939
                      999--------1050.407=060.407
                      Its everything right?, please thanks

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                        Daily three,
                        Last draw-1985
                        2nd last-0710
                        Transformed number not needed, both tier 1
                        1985+0710=2695

                        2695/2=1347.5

                        1347.5/pi(3.14159)=428.922

                        0000------------428.922
                        1111------------1539
                        2222------------2650
                        3333------------3761
                        4444------------4872
                        5555------------5983
                        6666------------7094
                        7777------------8205
                        8888------------9316
                        9999------------10427=0428.922

                        Daily3-
                        Last draw-135(tier1)
                        Last 2nd-854(tier3)

                        854-666=188(transformed number to tier1)

                        188+135=323
                        323/2=161.5
                        161.5/pi(3.14159)=51.407

                        000--------51.407
                        111--------162
                        222--------273
                        333--------384
                        444--------495
                        555--------606
                        666--------717
                        777--------828
                        888--------939
                        999--------1050.407=060.407
                        Its everything right?, please thanks

                        Sum323
                        Div by 2161.5
                        X / PI51.407
                        +00051.4
                        +00556.4
                        +050101.4
                        +500551.4
                        +555606.4
                        +550601.4
                        +505556.4
                        +055106.4
                        +111162.4
                        +116167.4
                        +161212.4
                        +611662.4
                        +666717.4
                        +661712.4
                        +616667.4
                        +166217.4
                        +222273.4
                        +227278.4
                        +272323.4
                        +722773.4
                        +777828.4
                        +772823.4
                        +727778.4
                        +277328.4
                        +333384.4
                        +338389.4
                        +383434.4
                        +833884.4
                        +888939.4
                        +883934.4
                        +838889.4
                        +388439.4
                        +444495.4
                        +449500.4
                        +494545.4
                        +944995.4
                        +9941045.4
                        +9491000.4
                        +499550.4
                        +9991050.4
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                          Thanks lakerben, very nice of you. What you think about the daily 4 its that right? Please, thanks

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                            Hello cuteban25,

                            Its perfect!

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                              Daily three,
                              Last draw-1985
                              2nd last-0710
                              Transformed number not needed, both tier 1
                              1985+0710=2695

                              2695/2=1347.5

                              1347.5/pi(3.14159)=428.922

                              0000------------428.922
                              1111------------1539
                              2222------------2650
                              3333------------3761
                              4444------------4872
                              5555------------5983
                              6666------------7094
                              7777------------8205
                              8888------------9316
                              9999------------10427=0428.922

                              Daily3-
                              Last draw-135(tier1)
                              Last 2nd-854(tier3)

                              854-666=188(transformed number to tier1)

                              188+135=323
                              323/2=161.5
                              161.5/pi(3.14159)=51.407

                              000--------51.407
                              111--------162
                              222--------273
                              333--------384
                              444--------495
                              555--------606
                              666--------717
                              777--------828
                              888--------939
                              999--------1050.407=060.407
                              Its everything right?, please thanks

                              Excellent Aquarium!

                              The only thing is that for the Pick 3 list when you wrote:

                              999-------1050.407 = 060.407.

                               

                              It should be :

                              999-------1050.407 = 051.407

                               

                              Your writing of 060.407 is not wrong per se, especially if its an intentional manipulation.

                                 
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