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# PI in the Pick 3? What are we talking about exactly? A few ideas...

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Hello Kola,

Great post. I don't want to take away from your credit, but I think I've simplified the whole process into a few steps. This is what I did.

Step 1) Place into tier :  n < 333, 333 < n > 666, 666 < n > 999

Step 2) After finding which tier, take the highest number in the tier and subtract the number from it which will give you your first difference.

Step 3) Take your first difference and subtract it from the other highest numbers of the other tiers. You will now have two more differences.

Step 4) Take your number and add and subtract 27.78 to it.

Step 5) Take the differences from Step 3 and add and subtract 27.78 from them.

Step 6) Add the number to the results from Step 5.

Step 7) Add and subtract 333 and 666 from Steps 4, 5 and 6.

Steps 4, 5, 6, and 7 will give possible answers.

An example using 606 leading to 630

Step 1) Tier 2 since 333 < 606 > 666

Step 2) 666 - 606 = 60

Step 3) 333 - 60 = 273 ; 999 - 60 = 939

Step 4) 606 +/- 27.78 = 633.78,578.22 <--- Close but no cigar.

Step 5) 273 +/- 27.78 = 300.78,245.22 ; 939 +/- 27.78 = 966.78,911.22

Step 6) 300.78,245.22 + 606 = 906.78,851.22 ; 966.78,911.22 + 606 = 1572.78,1517.22

Step 7) 633.78,578.22 +/- 333 = 966.78,300.78;911.22,245.22

906.78,851.22 +/- 333 = 1239.78,573.78;1184.22,518.22

1572.78,1517.22 +/- 333 = 1905.78,1239.78;1850.22,1184.22

633.78,578.22 +/- 666 = 1299.78,-32.22;1244.22,-87.78

906.78,851.22 +/- 666 = 1572.78,240.78;1517.22,185.22

1572.78,1517.22 +/- 666 = 2238.78,906.78;2183.22,851.22

So the final answers would be 633/634, 245, 966/967, 911, 906/907, 851, 573/574, 518, 240/241, 185, 300/301

As you can see there are a lot of repeats with step 4 giving the closest answer of 633/634 to the desired 630. I take these repeats as noise because the 333 and 666 cycle the numbers through the circles. Adding 333 pushes it up or down 1 circle, and 666 up or down two circles.

I've checked this through a program and the probability for a straight is about .0011, for the pairs its about .011, but the strange thing is that the box instead of being .0067 is reading about .01. That is almost a 50% increase in getting a box hit using this method.

If anyone wants to know where I got the 27.78, it's supposed to be 250/9 which is half the arc length of a cricle with a diameter with 1000/3 circumference and a angle of pi/3 radians. You could use 1000/3 instead of 333, 2000/3 instead of 666, and 1000 instead of 999 along with 250/9 instead of 27.78. There is not much a statistical difference but there is some improvement.

Wow!  Can you put this in a program?

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Wow!  Can you put this in a program?

Yeah I can, but what OS are you running? Currently I am using Linux and only use the program as a console program so it has no gui.

Would people want a gui? And how would you want to enter the numbers? Through a text file or in a text field?

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Yeah I can, but what OS are you running? Currently I am using Linux and only use the program as a console program so it has no gui.

Would people want a gui? And how would you want to enter the numbers? Through a text file or in a text field?

Probably individually through a field.  Win xp.  It would be nice to have something in an excel 2010 format so the user can just enter the last draw and get the results.  Like the example below.  Thanks!

 146 602 713 591 612 723 501 622 733 511 632 743 521 642 753 531 652 763 541 662 773 551 672 783 561 682 793 571 692 703 581
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Kola, what do you think of this we got 7026 day..feb 3rd post

and pick 4-4076

0762.67 ( keep in .67 decimal all the way down list) -what the heck??

1873

2984

4095.67-here 4076

5206

6317

7428

8539

9650

10761

Funny isn't lotsofwins?

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For today.

Last draw 337 ,Friday's 651

78.6225

111+ 78.6225= 189.6225

300

411

522

633

744

855

966

1077

Perfect lakerben!

If you want, you can also consider that:

189 is also 180, 186

300 is also 309,  399

966 is also 666 , 999, 996, 066,  069,  099

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Hello Kola>>>WOW>>>what a well thought out wonderful system you have invented. I've read the posts and had to tell you that more than likely you have made a portion of the P3 castle walls crumble, unless of course you are on the top rung of the ladder looking over the castle walls to get a good look around. Good features and well rounded with a mature sense of Pi use in 3 discernable issues [RINGS] all in balance. A worthwhile goal to realize the wins-take care.

CONGRATS TO YOU.

yt

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Hello Kola,

Great post. I don't want to take away from your credit, but I think I've simplified the whole process into a few steps. This is what I did.

Step 1) Place into tier :  n < 333, 333 < n > 666, 666 < n > 999

Step 2) After finding which tier, take the highest number in the tier and subtract the number from it which will give you your first difference.

Step 3) Take your first difference and subtract it from the other highest numbers of the other tiers. You will now have two more differences.

Step 4) Take your number and add and subtract 27.78 to it.

Step 5) Take the differences from Step 3 and add and subtract 27.78 from them.

Step 6) Add the number to the results from Step 5.

Step 7) Add and subtract 333 and 666 from Steps 4, 5 and 6.

Steps 4, 5, 6, and 7 will give possible answers.

An example using 606 leading to 630

Step 1) Tier 2 since 333 < 606 > 666

Step 2) 666 - 606 = 60

Step 3) 333 - 60 = 273 ; 999 - 60 = 939

Step 4) 606 +/- 27.78 = 633.78,578.22 <--- Close but no cigar.

Step 5) 273 +/- 27.78 = 300.78,245.22 ; 939 +/- 27.78 = 966.78,911.22

Step 6) 300.78,245.22 + 606 = 906.78,851.22 ; 966.78,911.22 + 606 = 1572.78,1517.22

Step 7) 633.78,578.22 +/- 333 = 966.78,300.78;911.22,245.22

906.78,851.22 +/- 333 = 1239.78,573.78;1184.22,518.22

1572.78,1517.22 +/- 333 = 1905.78,1239.78;1850.22,1184.22

633.78,578.22 +/- 666 = 1299.78,-32.22;1244.22,-87.78

906.78,851.22 +/- 666 = 1572.78,240.78;1517.22,185.22

1572.78,1517.22 +/- 666 = 2238.78,906.78;2183.22,851.22

So the final answers would be 633/634, 245, 966/967, 911, 906/907, 851, 573/574, 518, 240/241, 185, 300/301

As you can see there are a lot of repeats with step 4 giving the closest answer of 633/634 to the desired 630. I take these repeats as noise because the 333 and 666 cycle the numbers through the circles. Adding 333 pushes it up or down 1 circle, and 666 up or down two circles.

I've checked this through a program and the probability for a straight is about .0011, for the pairs its about .011, but the strange thing is that the box instead of being .0067 is reading about .01. That is almost a 50% increase in getting a box hit using this method.

If anyone wants to know where I got the 27.78, it's supposed to be 250/9 which is half the arc length of a cricle with a diameter with 1000/3 circumference and a angle of pi/3 radians. You could use 1000/3 instead of 333, 2000/3 instead of 666, and 1000 instead of 999 along with 250/9 instead of 27.78. There is not much a statistical difference but there is some improvement.

Thanks integralsum, you're not taking over at all, and I welcome your contribution...

I appreciate that you wanted to simplify the whole process, but its different to what I posted, which is fine if you wanted to tweak the Rings of Pi to better serve how you see the the Pick 3.

In the Rings of Pi system, you have to use two draws or more and synchronize them with the tiers....Crudely put, this insures that both draws are linked together, and creates the contextual matrix to find the find the third in the trinity. There is a more involved and accurate way to synchronize draws(more about this in another thread), but the sterile way I did it for this system will suffice for now. If you just use 1 draw, results will be very different. Also your use 27.78 is fine, but your result values will be very different. I think it would be great to use after you get the list of 9 from the "x" input, and you have an idea of the 2 or 3 numbers you wanted to play.

If I wanted to use the original values you posted of 273, 606, and 939 with the system the Rings of Pi system as posted, you could obtain the 630 you were looking for...Also, I obtained 27 numbers with no repeats...

1. For 273

086.898

196

308

419

530

641

752

863

974

1085

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2. For 606:

096.447

207

318

429

540

651

762

873

984

-----------------------

3. For 939

99.631 = 90.631, 000.631. As posted earlier, in the pick 3, a 9 in this system is also a 0, so 630 hits here...

210

321

432

543

654

765

876

987

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What you posted is great as a different tweak to the "Rings", I think its conceptually and mechanically a little different.

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Hello Kola>>>WOW>>>what a well thought out wonderful system you have invented. I've read the posts and had to tell you that more than likely you have made a portion of the P3 castle walls crumble, unless of course you are on the top rung of the ladder looking over the castle walls to get a good look around. Good features and well rounded with a mature sense of Pi use in 3 discernable issues [RINGS] all in balance. A worthwhile goal to realize the wins-take care.

CONGRATS TO YOU.

yt

dx123

Hello dx123,

Its been a little while. Nice of you to chime in from the castle wing you've since taken over... . Thanks for the kind and generous words...Coming from you its a boon...Yes, balance is the key. I don't use this system at all, but it has good viability with balance being the center through and upon which everything TURNS...

Thanks again friend,

Kola

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034

408

=17.3478888

+111=128.347888

239

350

461

572

683

794

905

1016

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034

408

=17.3478888

+111=128.347888

239

350

461

572

683

794

905

1016

Its perfect lakerben.

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I posted four PI formulas on page 1. Up until now, the first formula is the only that has been used with the examples on this thread... All of the other formulas are valid too and playing with them may be very worthwhile. While working with 1 formula gives you 9 numbers, working with all 4 will give you 36 numbers, if there are no duplicates For some, 36 may not be too many numbers, if it allows you to hit most of the draws with good profit. Happy Explorations....

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232

034

42.33521486+111=153.3352

264

375

486

597

708

819

930

1041

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232

034

42.33521486+111=153.3352

264

375

486

597

708

819

930

1041

Hello lakerben, its correct. I thank you for keeping the thread alive, but you don't have to post your numbers any more, for you have the hang of it now... I will start another thread where'll I'll post the system clearly and succinctly, along with a few new tips about playing the numbers. As for this thread, we can let it die and bury itself in the archives..Thanks again...

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034

408

=17.3478888

+111=128.347888

239

350

461

572

683

794

905

1016

Hello again lakerben. The next draw result from using 408 and 034 was 232. If you choose to explore this system further, I hope that when you get a draw like 232, that you go back and look at your list of 9 to figure out if there was any way you could have glimpsed  which numbers to focus on. For instance, you could have focused on the 239 in the list. Ask yourself, how would have known to lean toward it? You continue work hard on that question, for any system, and who knows, you just may be able to hit draw to draw with relatively few numbers.

I was going to write this tip in the new thread, but I'll say it now because it happens to have a bearing on the 232 draw that came out. I did mention that a 0 is equal to 9. Well , they can also serve as placeholders - just holding space. Tangentially, this has to do with the inherent qualities of the 0 and 9 which I won't go into. Well, because they can be placeholders, when you see a 0 and a 9, you can remove it, and then double or fake double her other digits.

For Example: the 239

Remove the 9 and double the 2 or 3, as in 233, or 223.  Obviously this would have led to the next draw result of 232. Or fake double it as in 238, or 237.

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Hello again lakerben. The next draw result from using 408 and 034 was 232. If you choose to explore this system further, I hope that when you get a draw like 232, that you go back and look at your list of 9 to figure out if there was any way you could have glimpsed  which numbers to focus on. For instance, you could have focused on the 239 in the list. Ask yourself, how would have known to lean toward it? You continue work hard on that question, for any system, and who knows, you just may be able to hit draw to draw with relatively few numbers.

I was going to write this tip in the new thread, but I'll say it now because it happens to have a bearing on the 232 draw that came out. I did mention that a 0 is equal to 9. Well , they can also serve as placeholders - just holding space. Tangentially, this has to do with the inherent qualities of the 0 and 9 which I won't go into. Well, because they can be placeholders, when you see a 0 and a 9, you can remove it, and then double or fake double her other digits.

For Example: the 239

Remove the 9 and double the 2 or 3, as in 233, or 223.  Obviously this would have led to the next draw result of 232. Or fake double it as in 238, or 237.

Good idea.  Thanks for the thread and I'll wait and see what you have next.  NM p3 runs in streaks of repeat pairs.  Sometimes the next draw or within the last 10.

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