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PI in the Pick 3? What are we talking about exactly? A few ideas...

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An example of the above.

We will use the PI formula of (X / P ) + C

Remember

Tier 1 = numbers 000 to 333.  For this tier use 1PI value of 3.14159

Tier 2 = numbers 333 to 666.  For this tier use 2PI value of 6.28318

Tier 3 = numbers 666 to 999.  For this tier use 3PI value of 9.42477

 

Midday Draw = 789  = Tier 3

Evening Draw = 334 = Tier 2

 

334 is the last draw and is in Tier 2. Change the Tier 3 draw of 789 into a Tier 2 draw. You do it by adding or subtracting by 333 or 666

789 - 333 = 456

So now add 456 + 334 = 790. Divide 790 by 2 to find average number...

790/2 = 395. 395  is plugged into the "X" variable of PI formula

395/6.28318 = 62.866

Add subdivisions of Pi and mirrors to Seed Number  of 62.866

1.  000 + 62.866 =   62.866

2.  005 + 62.866 =  67.866

3.  050 + 62.866 =  112.866

4.  500 + 62.866 =  562.866

5.  555 + 62.866  =  617.8

6.  550 +.................=  612.8

7.   505 +................=  567.8

8.   055 +...............=   117.8

9.   111 +..................=  173.8

10.  116 +.................=  178.8

11.  161 +.................=   223.8

12.  611 +................=   673.8

13.  666 +..............=   728.8

14.  661 +................=  723.8

15.  616 +................=   678.8

16.  166 +.................=  228.8

17.  222 +................=  284.8

18.  227....................=   289.8

19.  272....................=  334.8

20.  722....................=  784.8

21.  777.....................=  839.8

22.  772.....................=  834.8

23.  727.....................=  789.8

24.  277.....................=  339.8

25.  333.....................=  395.8

26.  338.....................=  400.8

27.  383.....................=  445.8

28.  833.....................=  894.8

29.  888.....................= 950.8

30.  883.....................= 945.8

31.  838......................= 900.8

32.  388......................= 480.8

33.  444......................= 506.8

34.  449......................= 511.8

35.  494......................= 556.8

36.  944......................= 1006.8

37.  994......................= 1056.8

38.  949......................= 1001.8

39.  499.......................= 561.8

40.  999.......................= 1061.8

 

Good luck!

See above where I said "Add subdivisions of PI and mirrors......"

It should read "Add the subdivisions of the circumferences and their mirrors to Seed Number of 62.866"

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    Impressive, I like the addition.  Not to be redundant , but it would be great if one of the memebers who is an excel expert could program this method. 

     

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      Impressive, I like the addition.  Not to be redundant , but it would be great if one of the memebers who is an excel expert could program this method. 

       

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      Thanks lakerben. Glad you like it...

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        An example of the above.

        We will use the PI formula of (X / P ) + C

        Remember

        Tier 1 = numbers 000 to 333.  For this tier use 1PI value of 3.14159

        Tier 2 = numbers 333 to 666.  For this tier use 2PI value of 6.28318

        Tier 3 = numbers 666 to 999.  For this tier use 3PI value of 9.42477

         

        Midday Draw = 789  = Tier 3

        Evening Draw = 334 = Tier 2

         

        334 is the last draw and is in Tier 2. Change the Tier 3 draw of 789 into a Tier 2 draw. You do it by adding or subtracting by 333 or 666

        789 - 333 = 456

        So now add 456 + 334 = 790. Divide 790 by 2 to find average number...

        790/2 = 395. 395  is plugged into the "X" variable of PI formula

        395/6.28318 = 62.866

        Add subdivisions of Pi and mirrors to Seed Number  of 62.866

        1.  000 + 62.866 =   62.866

        2.  005 + 62.866 =  67.866

        3.  050 + 62.866 =  112.866

        4.  500 + 62.866 =  562.866

        5.  555 + 62.866  =  617.8

        6.  550 +.................=  612.8

        7.   505 +................=  567.8

        8.   055 +...............=   117.8

        9.   111 +..................=  173.8

        10.  116 +.................=  178.8

        11.  161 +.................=   223.8

        12.  611 +................=   673.8

        13.  666 +..............=   728.8

        14.  661 +................=  723.8

        15.  616 +................=   678.8

        16.  166 +.................=  228.8

        17.  222 +................=  284.8

        18.  227....................=   289.8

        19.  272....................=  334.8

        20.  722....................=  784.8

        21.  777.....................=  839.8

        22.  772.....................=  834.8

        23.  727.....................=  789.8

        24.  277.....................=  339.8

        25.  333.....................=  395.8

        26.  338.....................=  400.8

        27.  383.....................=  445.8

        28.  833.....................=  894.8

        29.  888.....................= 950.8

        30.  883.....................= 945.8

        31.  838......................= 900.8

        32.  388......................= 480.8

        33.  444......................= 506.8

        34.  449......................= 511.8

        35.  494......................= 556.8

        36.  944......................= 1006.8

        37.  994......................= 1056.8

        38.  949......................= 1001.8

        39.  499.......................= 561.8

        40.  999.......................= 1061.8

         

        Good luck!

        In the list of forty numbers above, look at numbers 36, 37, 38 and 40. They are four digit numbers(numbers before decimal). To play the more correct 3 digit number for the Pick 3, remember to subtract 999 from each of them. Or more simply  just take the first digit in the number and add it to the last digit(before the decimal).

         

        Example:

        Lets do # 36, which was:

        944  +  62.866  =  1006.866

         

        To get three digit number, subtract 999 from 1006.8

        1006.8

        - 999

        ----------

        = 007.8 This is the 3-digit number

        Or,

        You may have noticed you could have just added the first digit in the number to the last digit in the number(before decimal) . In our example add the 1 to the 6.

        1006.8 =

        006.8

        + 1

        -------------

        = 007.8

         

        If you want, you can of course is leave the 4-digit number as is and play a part of it.

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          Tell me if this is correct.  Nm last 2 were 584 853.

          853-333= 520 .  520+584=1104, /2 =552 /6.28..=87.8536..

          Then add

          111+87.8536=198.85

          etc...

           

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          198+111=309

          Last night's NM p3 was 390.  It works.

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            198+111=309

            Last night's NM p3 was 390.  It works.

            Curious......

            You added 111+ 87.???? to get 198, so why add 111 again?

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              Using the original example:

              111 + 80.055 = 191.055

              222 + 80.055 = 302.055

              333 + 80.055 = 413.055

              444 + 80.055 = 524.055

              555 + 80.055 = 635.055

              666 + 80.055 = 746.055

              777 + 80.055 = 857.055

              888 + 80.055 = 968.055

              999 + 80.055 = 1079.055 = w

              Instead of 80 mine was 87, then instead of adding 222,333,444,555,666 etc to 87 I just added 111 to the answer which is the same thing.  Work it out. If you add 111 to 191 = 302, +111= 413 above you get 524, +111 635 etc.  Pretty simple. I didn't show all the calcualtions just last night's hit in NM.

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                Using the original example:

                111 + 80.055 = 191.055

                222 + 80.055 = 302.055

                333 + 80.055 = 413.055

                444 + 80.055 = 524.055

                555 + 80.055 = 635.055

                666 + 80.055 = 746.055

                777 + 80.055 = 857.055

                888 + 80.055 = 968.055

                999 + 80.055 = 1079.055 = w

                Instead of 80 mine was 87, then instead of adding 222,333,444,555,666 etc to 87 I just added 111 to the answer which is the same thing.  Work it out. If you add 111 to 191 = 302, +111= 413 above you get 524, +111 635 etc.  Pretty simple. I didn't show all the calcualtions just last night's hit in NM.

                Okay, just curious.

                These are things that would have to be concrete before you could program it.

                Not knocking it, if it works for you, use it! Smile

                But as I was considering writing a program for it, I need to be clear on what is what and how everything works.

                You can't tell a computer maybe or perhaps on generally speaking or use the dominant draw.

                You have to tell it what each of those things are.

                It is like saying c is the circumference of a circle. C was a constant (666) in the original posting.

                As destinycreation pointed out, if c is the circumference of a circle and p is pi then you are using pi twice.

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                  hey there, clarification please?

                  playing with numbers from Texas, on the 25th we had 917 and 471, I took 917 and subtracted 333, which gave me 584

                  I added 584+471=1055

                  1055/2=527.5

                  527.5/6.28318=83.954

                  then +111, etc

                  194
                  416
                  749
                  1193-311 fell day on the 26th
                  1748
                  2414
                  3191
                  4079
                  5078-078-fell night on the 26th

                  still not sure if I'm doing this right but great great system thank you for posting, would you mind terribly posting an example on how to utilize this system with Pick 4, texas had 4414-day, and 2200-night..thanks

                  also for 26th-we had 311 and 078

                  I took 311+078=389
                  389 divided by 2=194.5

                  194.5 plus 111 etc

                  172
                  394
                  727
                  1171
                  1726
                  2392
                  3169-693 fell day on the 27th
                  4057
                  5056

                  so using same for latest draw, we had 693, 827

                  so 1520/2=760

                  760/9.42477 is 80.639 +111 etc

                  191
                  413
                  746
                  1190
                  1745
                  2411
                  3188
                  4076
                  5075

                  is my math right, and my apologies if not, my math skill isn't great:-)

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                    okay kola, I think I get it if they are in the same tier, and no configuration is necessary, still getting used to the different tier idea, laker ben was nice enough to send me a correction...so numbers drawn 693 and 827, both in same tier so just add them right and divide by 2, then divide by 9.4277 +111, etc

                    so

                    191
                    302
                    413
                    524
                    635
                    746
                    968
                    1079

                    think that's right if they are in the same tier, let me know

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                      198+111=309

                      Last night's NM p3 was 390.  It works.

                      Hello lakerben,

                      Yes, RINGS OF PI works very well. By the way, you may want to keep the decimal placement intact, and not round the number off. Its kind off important that you don't. 3 places after decimal is fine.

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                        Okay, just curious.

                        These are things that would have to be concrete before you could program it.

                        Not knocking it, if it works for you, use it! Smile

                        But as I was considering writing a program for it, I need to be clear on what is what and how everything works.

                        You can't tell a computer maybe or perhaps on generally speaking or use the dominant draw.

                        You have to tell it what each of those things are.

                        It is like saying c is the circumference of a circle. C was a constant (666) in the original posting.

                        As destinycreation pointed out, if c is the circumference of a circle and p is pi then you are using pi twice.

                        Hello garyo1954,

                        I've already mentioned this, but the dominant draw is the last draw that fell for a particular state Also that constant of 666 you mentioned is intimately tied into the circumference, and is part of the circumference, and so by extension is the circumference as it relates to the PI formula for the Pick 3

                        The directions to the system are pretty concrete and set in stone...There  is no "maybe" or "perhaps" in it...To my knowledge, there are no contradictions in this thread to what has been posted on the LP about  PI. If there are any I'm not aware of just point it out to me, so that I can help clear up any confusion...Also please read my directions again and slowly. They are very specific and very simple...If its still not clear I can answer any question you have...

                        Thanks...

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                          Hello garyo1954,

                          I've already mentioned this, but the dominant draw is the last draw that fell for a particular state Also that constant of 666 you mentioned is intimately tied into the circumference, and is part of the circumference, and so by extension is the circumference as it relates to the PI formula for the Pick 3

                          The directions to the system are pretty concrete and set in stone...There  is no "maybe" or "perhaps" in it...To my knowledge, there are no contradictions in this thread to what has been posted on the LP about  PI. If there are any I'm not aware of just point it out to me, so that I can help clear up any confusion...Also please read my directions again and slowly. They are very specific and very simple...If its still not clear I can answer any question you have...

                          Thanks...

                          Hello Kola,

                          If you really want to start, define micro-circumference and macro-circumference and give me a reference on the internet, aside from this thread.

                          Then we can talk about how you get 333 points between 111 and 222.

                          Next up........no, let's save the rest and pretend we're playing Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

                          With each round the questions WILL get harder.

                          I've kept all the objections out of the thread and presented a few of the failures to laker, but if you want to drag them into the thread, I surely will.

                          In the end, IF you answer all the questions, leaving NO "ifs", "maybes", "perhaps", "possiblies", and "you could tries", we'll see what can be done to program it.

                          BTW, in your original post you say the last draw is the dominant draw "(generally speaking)." You can reread it on page 1, first post.

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                            hey there, clarification please?

                            playing with numbers from Texas, on the 25th we had 917 and 471, I took 917 and subtracted 333, which gave me 584

                            I added 584+471=1055

                            1055/2=527.5

                            527.5/6.28318=83.954

                            then +111, etc

                            194
                            416
                            749
                            1193-311 fell day on the 26th
                            1748
                            2414
                            3191
                            4079
                            5078-078-fell night on the 26th

                            still not sure if I'm doing this right but great great system thank you for posting, would you mind terribly posting an example on how to utilize this system with Pick 4, texas had 4414-day, and 2200-night..thanks

                            also for 26th-we had 311 and 078

                            I took 311+078=389
                            389 divided by 2=194.5

                            194.5 plus 111 etc

                            172
                            394
                            727
                            1171
                            1726
                            2392
                            3169-693 fell day on the 27th
                            4057
                            5056

                            so using same for latest draw, we had 693, 827

                            so 1520/2=760

                            760/9.42477 is 80.639 +111 etc

                            191
                            413
                            746
                            1190
                            1745
                            2411
                            3188
                            4076
                            5075

                            is my math right, and my apologies if not, my math skill isn't great:-)

                            Hello lotsofwins,

                            Your calculations are essential correct. It just got  a little sticky when you started adding 111. It should read:

                            083

                            194

                            305

                            416

                            527

                            638

                            749

                            860

                            971

                            1082 = 083 Back to where you began...

                            You end up with 9 numbers

                            Remember I said to make a 4 digit number a three digit number by subtracting 1082 - 999 = 083. Or just add the first digit to the last, which is 1082 = 1 + 082 = 083.

                            083 is your first number and then you start adding by 111. You will end up at 083 again but it turns into a 4 digit number.

                             

                            In the list you wrote of

                            1748, 2414, 3191, 4079, 5078

                            you changed the "expression" of the numbers. The "essence" of the number is still the same, because

                            1748 = 1 + 748 = 749

                            2414 = 2 + 414 = 416

                            3191 = 3 + 191 = 194

                            but you changed its appearance. This is another topic altogether, and we can have it another day. In the meantime,I would recommend sticking to the system as is. Play with it using the mirrors as well. After you play with it for a bit, maybe you'll get a better feel for the "why, how and when" of changing the "expression" of a number, and you can then play with tweaking it like you unintentionally did above....

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                              Hello Kola,

                              If you really want to start, define micro-circumference and macro-circumference and give me a reference on the internet, aside from this thread.

                              Then we can talk about how you get 333 points between 111 and 222.

                              Next up........no, let's save the rest and pretend we're playing Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

                              With each round the questions WILL get harder.

                              I've kept all the objections out of the thread and presented a few of the failures to laker, but if you want to drag them into the thread, I surely will.

                              In the end, IF you answer all the questions, leaving NO "ifs", "maybes", "perhaps", "possiblies", and "you could tries", we'll see what can be done to program it.

                              BTW, in your original post you say the last draw is the dominant draw "(generally speaking)." You can reread it on page 1, first post.

                              Hello garyo1954,

                              I have no ego in this. I've never used the word "failure" on myself , anyone, or about anything. To me "Failures" are opportunities. If you see "failures" or objections please pass them on to me. No big deal. I'm very okay with it, for this is not a contest. Right?  By challenging my ideas, we both grow and learn. If you can just bring your half-empty cup to the table, we'll be okay.

                              I'm going to summarize a much more extended discussion. Here it goes: Remember Rene Descartes and how he invented the Cartesian Plane - the x,y grid?  By doing so, he defined a blank space and gave it structure. He was able to create and contain a "world" on that blank space and by doing so was able to better interpret and helped us to better interpret the world around us. Anything in a space defines that space, and so even a place mat on table helps define the observation that "this is a table". We all do the same thing when we create containers like Pick 3 systems/methods that help define and give structure to the Pick 3. I tried to "get out the way" as much as possible(which is kind of impossible) and observe how numbers behaved in the Pick 3 Universe. While doing so I gently sculpted a container to hold and structure that expression, and so The Magic Square System was born, and it has given me language with which to interpret the pick 3. Just like everyone's system and methods do to varying degrees of success. So while interpreting the Pick 3, I came up with the terms micro-circumference and macro-circumference. So they are nowhere on the Internet. If you like that magical thinking get a load of my other terms like "polar numbers", the "immutables", "transformers"and etc...Like all of us, I'm trying trying to create my own "x,y grid".

                              I can't go into it too deeply, because its part of my system, which is not ready for release yet, but I see the Pick 3 and the Pick 4 like a Big Universal Wheel, with numbers that run from 000 to 999. In this Pick 3 Universe there are mini-universes or wheels. Using simple arithmetic this can be proven with numbers, but to be frank it will not be shown now. Just trust me that's its not arbitrary idea. But to continue, the first mini-wheel runs from 000 to 333, or rather from 001 to 333, which makes up 333 numbers or points, the second wheel runs from 333 to 666, and the third runs from 666 to 999. I hope that gives you a flavor of the thought process.

                              As far as saying, "the last draw is the dominant draw(generally speaking)", the "generally speaking" applies to the fact the last draw is the dominant draw, but not when a "Polar number' is drawn before it. Polar numbers are numbers that "come back" 2 draws later, but their "expression" changes a little, and so you may not recognize them. I've observed that its a fundamental principle in the lottery because it seems to happen nearly 99% of the time. But this PI system was created not taking that into account in any rigorous way, so I just put "generally speaking" there because I knew that the "dominant draw" statement wasn't an absolute, and only a near-absolute.

                              I think I may start another thread for the RINGS OF PI SYSTEM and just post the simple components without too much explanation. Then I will settle on official terminology to make easier for people to grasp. I created this system on the day I posted it.  Again I don't work with PI, but through observation, I had some clear impressions about where it could go.

                              Thanks for leaving open the possibility of programming it, and please keep the questions coming.

                                 
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