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# PI in the Pick 3? What are we talking about exactly? A few ideas...

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Hello...

This short post was inspired by member Kellmusa55's thread about PI in the MATHEMATICS forum. I thought I'd address the PI question with a few rough ideas and a lean towards a Systems approach. I don't have the time for a more nuanced discussion, but hopefully this will be a little food for thought and possibly help us connect the dots...

I've appreciated the ad-infinitum discussion about PI on the LP, for many of us have been trying to figure out what  "x"  could be.

These are the commonly spoken of PI formulas on the LP.

1. (x / p) + c

2. (x / p ) - c

3. (x + c) / p

4. (x - c) / p

It has been said that:

"X" may be the last draw, a multiple of draws or is at least in some way connected to the draws,

"P" is PI, and

"C" is the circumference.

The discussion about what "x" could be have been lively. Its escapes me as to why the other variables, "p" and "c",  haven't been addressed with the same vigor. They are just as important...For example, which value for PI" are we speaking of, and what is this circumference we are talking about? PI is connected to the circumference of a circle. So if you're going to use PI in a Pick 3 formula, it may be pivotal to have some working ideas about "c", the circumference. If you nail that down, it could possibly give you a better construct with which to work and may have a bearing on what "x" could ultimately be....

What is the circumference of the Pick 3? To put it crudely, the Pick 3 is ideologically composed of 1000 sequential points moving in a circular pattern, and so it follows that the Macro-Universe or Macro-circumference of the Pick 3 is 000 to 999. This circumference may change depending on, for example, the draws you're working with, the target range of numbers, the pi formula you're using and etc...Additionally, and more importantly, lets say, the Pick 3 further consists of 3 tiers, or Micro-circumferences.

Each Micro-circumference is its own Micro-universe

Tier 1 is 000 - 333: numbers 000 to 333

Tier 2 is 333 - 666: numbers 333 to 666

Tier 3 is 666 - 999: numbers 666 to 999

Further subdivisions are 111, 222,333, 444 and etc...Each Tier has 333 points.

I think its very important to pay attention to which circumference is in play. If you do so, it may radically change the results you get.

Now as for PI, once you know the circumference you are using, it may seriously alter the value of the PI you input. Instead of just using 3.14159, you may have to, for example, double PI as in 3.14159  x  2 = 628.318 for Tier 2, or even triple PI for Tier 3. To not do so, may throw results way off track...Please remember there are no locked in rules here, just ideas for exploration...

Lets now look at or look for the elusive "X".

In the Pick 3 and as it relates to PI, we are going to use one of our 3 tiers or 3 circumferences to find  the next "x" point given a set of past "x" points. In the standard formula of (x / p) + c, lets hypothetically assume that the value of "x" in the Pick 3 formulas above is determined by some combination of the "past draws". How do we use these draws together, especially if they are in totally different tiers? In order to use these draws together we first have to synchronize them into the same "frequency", or into the same tier. How? You add or subtract 333 and 666 when necessary.

So for example:

223 was the last draw - falls into Tier 1

799 was the second to last draw - falls into tier 3

To use the 2 draws together you would have to synchronize the second to last draw of Tier 2:799  - into the last draw of Tier 1:223 . You do so, because 223 is the draw that fell last, and so its the dominant draw(generally speaking).

799 gets conscripted into 223. So you take 799 and subtract 666 from it to bring it into Tier 1. So,

799

-  666

-----------

= 133

Notice how you have just brought the Tier 3 number of 799 and turned into the Tier 1 number of 133.

Now you can work with 133 and 223 together. How? Its up to you to explore. You can, among other ways for example, add them together and then divide by 2. If you had used 3 draws, you would have added them together and then divide by 3, and etc...You then put your one result into "X" and in the formulas at the top of the page.

So for example, if you use (x / p ) + C, you would put your result into "X" and then divide it by the appropriate value of PI depending on the Tier you are using and then to that 1 value of "X", you can successively add 111,222,333,444,555,666,777, 888, 999(and possibly with some importance- their "mirrors") for a working group of 9 numbers.

The above was arrived at by thinking about the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, which is:

C = PI x Diameter = 3.14159 x Diameter = 3.14159 x  2(radius) = PI x 2R.

If you meditate on the standard formula of PI above, it may help you decide which of the four Pick 3 PI formulas you want to use. All of them are valid, but if you stick with one or two that makes the most sense to you, and work with that as creatively as you can, along with a smidgen of logic,  you may derive more benefit than by randomly using using all 4 formulas.

In the end its up to you to determine if you're going to use lottery math or regular math. Whichever it is, be consistent with it throughout your workouts. Of course you can play with both, but maybe not in the same workout. Its also up to you to determine the number of draws that you use for "X". I would suggest not going beyond your last 9 draws. So lets say you can use between 2 and 9 draws. If you decide to play with these ideas more deeply, observe and try to settle, for the most part, on a particular number of past draws with which to work. Decide well, its not an arbitrary choice...

Lastly, this idea of synchronization, and by extension transformation, is not exclusive to the PI formula discussion, and I believe its quite fundamental to the lottery in general and to the idea of symmetry and balance, or rather harmony, which in the end is whats at play in the Pick 3. Right?

Happy Explorations!

Kola

I think you have something here Kola.  It would be nice to have somebody program it ,and then it would be quick to do the calc with all the different methods.

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I think you have something here Kola.  It would be nice to have somebody program it ,and then it would be quick to do the calc with all the different methods.

Thanks lakerben,

Yes, it would be nice...In the meantime, like I mentioned to lotsofwins, the more you play with it, the more signals you may get as to which 1 or 2  "subdivisions you should focus on, while discarding the rest. Then you wouldn't have to calculate for each subdivisions. But please take your sweet time to study how the numbers flow before you start discarding.  Good luck...

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hey Kola, for texas i get 129 and 191 based on numbers for January 13th, I understand using 3.14 in the formula and x, but not sure on circumference, from my understanding these numbers were both worked out using  Tier 1, would you mind working out an example on here all the way through, thanks..

Hello lotsofwins,

Sorry I missed this question yesterday....Your 129 and 191 are incorrect.

I'll post the correction at length. The little and simple math in this RINGS OF PI system is very,very fast. It may seem a little longer because of my in-between explanations.

The basic steps are:

1. Align draw numbers to one Tier

2. Add numbers together and then divide the sum by the numbers of draws used to get the "average number".

3. Plug the average into the "x" variable PI formula and then divide by the appropriate PI value.

4. Add the result to the subdivisions of the circumfernce which are 111, 222, 333, and etc..and you end up with 9 core numbers.

That's it!

Before I address your question, lets remember that the 3 tiers or 3 circumferences are:

Tier 1 - numbers 000 to 333.  This tier uses PI as 3.14159

Tier 2 - numbers 333 to 666.  This tier uses PI as 3.14159 x 2 = 6.28318

Tier 3 - numbers 666 to 999.  This tier uses PI as 3.14159 x 3 = 9.42477

Okay., you used the numbers for TEXAS

January 13th:

Midday Draw ---  059 . This is a Tier 1 number

Evening Draw --- 614. This is a Tier 2 number

The evening draw of 614 was the day's last draw, All the other draws you decide to use with it that were drawn before 614, have to be brought into 614's tier, if they're not there already. You do this because the last draw of 614 is the dominant draw. It is the draw that leads. Again 614 belongs to Tier 2 because Tier 2 runs from 333 to 666.

Now you have to bring 059 into Tier 2 as well. In general you do so by adding or subtracting 333, or 666 when necessary. In this specific case you have to add 333 to 059 to bring it into Tier 2. I'm going to use regular math, but you can use whatever you feel most comfortable doing...

059

+333

--------

= 392

I have just transformed 059 into a Tier 2 number of 392.

So now we have 392 and 614.

To get the "mean" or  "average" number we have to add the 2 numbers together and then divide by 2. If we had used 3 numbers we would've divided by 3, and etc...

So using regular math,

614

+392

--------

= 1006.

Then we divide 1006 by 2,which is,

1006/ 2 = 503

Now we plug 503 into one of the PI Formulas. We'll use  (x / P)  +  C. Before we do so, we'll give each variable its number...

So,

X = 503. This is a Tier 2 number

P = PI In this case, PI times 2, which is 6.28318. 503 is a Tier 2 number you have to double PI

Now lets Ppug-in:

503 / 6.28318 = 80.055

111 + 80.055 = 191.055

222 + 80.055 = 302.055

333 + 80.055 = 413.055

444 + 80.055 = 524.055

555 + 80.055 = 635.055

666 + 80.055 = 746.055

777 + 80.055 = 857.055

888 + 80.055 = 968.055

999 + 80.055 = 1079.055 = which essentially equals 80.055. At least in this case.

I looked at the numbers that fell the very next day and there was a box match:

January 14th

462 fell for the midday

254 fell for the evening

I hope this clarified a things a little... Good luck...

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Tell me if this is correct.  Nm last 2 were 584 853.

853-333= 520 .  520+584=1104, /2 =552 /6.28..=87.8536..

111+87.8536=198.85

etc...

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Tell me if this is correct.  Nm last 2 were 584 853.

853-333= 520 .  520+584=1104, /2 =552 /6.28..=87.8536..

111+87.8536=198.85

etc...

Yes lakerben, that's it, in all of its simplicity...

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Yes lakerben, that's it, in all of its simplicity...

Well, hot dog!  The rest were: 309,420,531,642,753,864,075,1086 rounded of course. This bring to mind another thought : how about using phi in addition to 3.14..?

In other words 552/2phi= 170.577.

111+170= 281

222+170=392

333+170=503

444+170= 614

555+170=725

666+170=836

777+170=947

888+170= 1058

999+170= 1169

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in these calculations.

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Well, hot dog!  The rest were: 309,420,531,642,753,864,075,1086 rounded of course. This bring to mind another thought : how about using phi in addition to 3.14..?

In other words 552/2phi= 170.577.

111+170= 281

222+170=392

333+170=503

444+170= 614

555+170=725

666+170=836

777+170=947

888+170= 1058

999+170= 1169

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in these calculations.

I'm going to round the 1058 to 106 and use for tonight.  The 1 and 6 are due and the zero is the mirror of 5 which has been hitting a lot lately in NM!!

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Well, hot dog!  The rest were: 309,420,531,642,753,864,075,1086 rounded of course. This bring to mind another thought : how about using phi in addition to 3.14..?

In other words 552/2phi= 170.577.

111+170= 281

222+170=392

333+170=503

444+170= 614

555+170=725

666+170=836

777+170=947

888+170= 1058

999+170= 1169

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in these calculations.

Yes, lakerben, the numbers are correct. I like your pluck, and this a viable path worth exploration, but also, if I may, worth a few caveats, among many...

You may also want to work with the RINGS OF  PI system as a "stand alone"  and deeply explore how it works, how it ticks, its quirks, and etc...before meshing it with PHI. Then alternately think about PHI itself, and its inherent quality and what it actually does to a number. Then ask yourself if it makes sense to use it in the way you did. What do you want PHI to do to the number in the numerator? Think about the logic of mixing PI and PHI. Why would you do so? if you can answer it, even by a little, it may point you in a direction you can to better tweak the formula for your own ends...

By the way, I'll try to address PHI in a more expanded way on a different thread at a later date...

Good luck...

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I'm going to round the 1058 to 106 and use for tonight.  The 1 and 6 are due and the zero is the mirror of 5 which has been hitting a lot lately in NM!!

If I may say, don't use it right away.

Play around with it, and get a feel for its unique qualities as every system has them, and won't express numbers the same way...

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Yes, lakerben, the numbers are correct. I like your pluck, and this a viable path worth exploration, but also, if I may, worth a few caveats, among many...

You may also want to work with the RINGS OF  PI system as a "stand alone"  and deeply explore how it works, how it ticks, its quirks, and etc...before meshing it with PHI. Then alternately think about PHI itself, and its inherent quality and what it actually does to a number. Then ask yourself if it makes sense to use it in the way you did. What do you want PHI to do to the number in the numerator? Think about the logic of mixing PI and PHI. Why would you do so? if you can answer it, even by a little, it may point you in a direction you can to better tweak the formula for your own ends...

By the way, I'll try to address PHI in a more expanded way on a different thread at a later date...

Good luck...

The reason I have mentioned phi is that it has worked in the past.  I've also used 3.14 in a different way by multiplying past draws for pairs.  Each person will get different results since some states are computerized and others are not.  I'm not going to mix them I will use each method by itself and make comparisons when the draws are completed.  Thanks again.

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The reason I have mentioned phi is that it has worked in the past.  I've also used 3.14 in a different way by multiplying past draws for pairs.  Each person will get different results since some states are computerized and others are not.  I'm not going to mix them I will use each method by itself and make comparisons when the draws are completed.  Thanks again.

I'm pleased that multiplying PI has worked for you as well. Its true numbers are so resonant that one can see many great things no matter how you tweak them or what formula you put them through, so even PI and PHI will work in some form or fashion. It has to be consistent though. If its not consistent, maybe more work needs to be done on that method or system.  But by all means mix them after having observed for a while how they work independently...

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In order to make the RINGS of PI system more exacting and provide "full coverage", I'm just going to add one small thing. I wasn't at peace with just sharing version 1.

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First - small recap

THE RINGS OF PI SYSTEM

1. Align all draw numbers to the last draw's tier

2. Add all numbers together and then divide the sum by the numbers of draws used in order to get the "average number"

3. Plug the "average number" into the "X" variable of the PI formula, and then divide "X" by the appropriate value of PI

4. Add the result to the subdivisions of the circumferences, which are , 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999

5. You now have 9 core numbers with which to work.

This is the addition:

In step 4 above you added the subdivisions. Well now we're going to add the subdivisions and their mirrors to the value of "X". They are:

000, 005, 050, 500

111, 116, 161, 611

222, 227, 272, 722

333, 338, 383, 833

444, 449, 494, 944

555, 550, 505, 055

666, 661, 616, 166

777, 772, 727, 277

888, 883, 838, 388

999, 994, 949, 499

You are left with forty numbers, but there may be a number of repeats.  Its your choice of course to use as many or as little as you want...I wish you many more hits than misses...

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An example of the above.

We will use the PI formula of (X / P ) + C

Remember

Tier 1 = numbers 000 to 333.  For this tier use 1PI value of 3.14159

Tier 2 = numbers 333 to 666.  For this tier use 2PI value of 6.28318

Tier 3 = numbers 666 to 999.  For this tier use 3PI value of 9.42477

Midday Draw = 789  = Tier 3

Evening Draw = 334 = Tier 2

334 is the last draw and is in Tier 2. Change the Tier 3 draw of 789 into a Tier 2 draw. You do it by adding or subtracting by 333 or 666

789 - 333 = 456

So now add 456 + 334 = 790. Divide 790 by 2 to find average number...

790/2 = 395. 395  is plugged into the "X" variable of PI formula

395/6.28318 = 62.866

Add subdivisions of Pi and mirrors to Seed Number  of 62.866

1.  000 + 62.866 =   62.866

2.  005 + 62.866 =  67.866

3.  050 + 62.866 =  112.866

4.  500 + 62.866 =  562.866

5.  555 + 62.866  =  617.8

6.  550 +.................=  612.8

7.   505 +................=  567.8

8.   055 +...............=   117.8

9.   111 +..................=  173.8

10.  116 +.................=  178.8

11.  161 +.................=   223.8

12.  611 +................=   673.8

13.  666 +..............=   728.8

14.  661 +................=  723.8

15.  616 +................=   678.8

16.  166 +.................=  228.8

17.  222 +................=  284.8

18.  227....................=   289.8

19.  272....................=  334.8

20.  722....................=  784.8

21.  777.....................=  839.8

22.  772.....................=  834.8

23.  727.....................=  789.8

24.  277.....................=  339.8

25.  333.....................=  395.8

26.  338.....................=  400.8

27.  383.....................=  445.8

28.  833.....................=  894.8

29.  888.....................= 950.8

30.  883.....................= 945.8

31.  838......................= 900.8

32.  388......................= 480.8

33.  444......................= 506.8

34.  449......................= 511.8

35.  494......................= 556.8

36.  944......................= 1006.8

37.  994......................= 1056.8

38.  949......................= 1001.8

39.  499.......................= 561.8

40.  999.......................= 1061.8

Good luck!

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An example of the above.

We will use the PI formula of (X / P ) + C

Remember

Tier 1 = numbers 000 to 333.  For this tier use 1PI value of 3.14159

Tier 2 = numbers 333 to 666.  For this tier use 2PI value of 6.28318

Tier 3 = numbers 666 to 999.  For this tier use 3PI value of 9.42477

Midday Draw = 789  = Tier 3

Evening Draw = 334 = Tier 2

334 is the last draw and is in Tier 2. Change the Tier 3 draw of 789 into a Tier 2 draw. You do it by adding or subtracting by 333 or 666

789 - 333 = 456

So now add 456 + 334 = 790. Divide 790 by 2 to find average number...

790/2 = 395. 395  is plugged into the "X" variable of PI formula

395/6.28318 = 62.866

Add subdivisions of Pi and mirrors to Seed Number  of 62.866

1.  000 + 62.866 =   62.866

2.  005 + 62.866 =  67.866

3.  050 + 62.866 =  112.866

4.  500 + 62.866 =  562.866

5.  555 + 62.866  =  617.8

6.  550 +.................=  612.8

7.   505 +................=  567.8

8.   055 +...............=   117.8

9.   111 +..................=  173.8

10.  116 +.................=  178.8

11.  161 +.................=   223.8

12.  611 +................=   673.8

13.  666 +..............=   728.8

14.  661 +................=  723.8

15.  616 +................=   678.8

16.  166 +.................=  228.8

17.  222 +................=  284.8

18.  227....................=   289.8

19.  272....................=  334.8

20.  722....................=  784.8

21.  777.....................=  839.8

22.  772.....................=  834.8

23.  727.....................=  789.8

24.  277.....................=  339.8

25.  333.....................=  395.8

26.  338.....................=  400.8

27.  383.....................=  445.8

28.  833.....................=  894.8

29.  888.....................= 950.8

30.  883.....................= 945.8

31.  838......................= 900.8

32.  388......................= 480.8

33.  444......................= 506.8

34.  449......................= 511.8

35.  494......................= 556.8

36.  944......................= 1006.8

37.  994......................= 1056.8

38.  949......................= 1001.8

39.  499.......................= 561.8

40.  999.......................= 1061.8

Good luck!

Can this be used in pick 4 what is PI formula for a 12 digit  pick 4 .

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Can this be used in pick 4 what is PI formula for a 12 digit  pick 4 .

Yes the formula is the same as the ones listed for the Pick 3.

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