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Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?

Yes [ 10 ]  [18.52%]
No [ 44 ]  [81.48%]
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Posted: May 6, 2012, 11:49 am - IP Logged

If your idea of creating strong families and a strong nation is to continue to starve middle class and poor familes out living wages, then we are all in trouble. Thinking in terms of left or right will solve nothing.

Country first!

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    If your idea of creating strong families and a strong nation is to continue to starve middle class and poor familes out living wages, then we are all in trouble. Thinking in terms of left or right will solve nothing.

    Country first!

    I see you're taking the "That's my story and I'm stickin' to it" approach.

    And that's fine.

    Just so you're aware that anybody with an intellect ain't gonna go for it.

    Pretending you're not a staunch, committed leftist just ain't workin', son.

    Good luck in the lottery though.


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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      Posted: May 6, 2012, 12:14 pm - IP Logged

      If your idea of creating strong families and a strong nation is to continue to starve middle class and poor familes out living wages, then we are all in trouble. Thinking in terms of left or right will solve nothing.

      Country first!

      In order to have an equal share in a society everyone will need to work for the same wage, pay the same price for products. Everyone will need to work the same amount of time.
      Society will be pre-planned for you from birth to death for everyone to remain equal. They will have the equal police monitoring everyone.

      Plus lotteries will be eliminated so no one will have the opprtunity for more money than someone else.
      Do you play the lottery to have that shot at the big fortune?

      WHATT

        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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        Posted: May 6, 2012, 12:26 pm - IP Logged

        In order to have an equal share in a society everyone will need to work for the same wage, pay the same price for products. Everyone will need to work the same amount of time.
        Society will be pre-planned for you from birth to death for everyone to remain equal. They will have the equal police monitoring everyone.

        Plus lotteries will be eliminated so no one will have the opprtunity for more money than someone else.
        Do you play the lottery to have that shot at the big fortune?

        No, I'm sure he'd split it with the "downtrodden", JAP.

        It wouldn't be fair for one person to have more money than those who don't (won't) work.

        He said we all should live similar lifestyles so there's no way he wouldn't split with us.

        Right, Googler?


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

        "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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          Posted: May 6, 2012, 1:31 pm - IP Logged

          No, I'm sure he'd split it with the "downtrodden", JAP.

          It wouldn't be fair for one person to have more money than those who don't (won't) work.

          He said we all should live similar lifestyles so there's no way he wouldn't split with us.

          Right, Googler?

          Ridge is right.

          Even as a child we had a game called "Life" (I'm sure that most people over 40 will remember it) - where within the first 3 spins you had to make LIFE CHOICES that would affect how much income you would earn, which in turn would affect different choices you made throughout the game.  It did not take anyone older than 6 to figure out that: how much you worked, how much education, how many children, etc. YOU did/had/got, directly affected your life.

          Each of us, by the choices we make, creates our own reality.  Through the choices I have made I am now where I am living like I am living.  Could I have made different choices?  Yes.  Were there times when there was no money?  Yes.  Did I or my family ever go on the government's dole?  No.  Did we sometimes only have soup and cereal to eat for weeks on end?  Yes.

          But those though times taught us lessons that we do not ever want to forget.  Those tough times (sometimes for longer than 2 years), created within us learning curves that made it so that when THAT season of our lives was over, we came out stronger, smarter and more compassionate.

          Had we lived off the state's money, there is every chance that we would have not learned.  We would have had more money FOR THE MOMENT, but not for the long term.

            mediabrat's avatar - 18z0typ
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            Posted: May 6, 2012, 6:48 pm - IP Logged

            Who's keeping you from prosperity?

            This is the land of opportunity!

            If you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere!

            Are you too stupid or just too lazy?

            "Who's keeping you from prosperity?"

            Who said anyone was?

            "Are you too stupid or just too lazy?"

            Why do you assume I'm either?  Is it because you're a miserable old man who hates everyone?


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              Posted: May 6, 2012, 6:53 pm - IP Logged

              Ridge is right.

              Even as a child we had a game called "Life" (I'm sure that most people over 40 will remember it) - where within the first 3 spins you had to make LIFE CHOICES that would affect how much income you would earn, which in turn would affect different choices you made throughout the game.  It did not take anyone older than 6 to figure out that: how much you worked, how much education, how many children, etc. YOU did/had/got, directly affected your life.

              Each of us, by the choices we make, creates our own reality.  Through the choices I have made I am now where I am living like I am living.  Could I have made different choices?  Yes.  Were there times when there was no money?  Yes.  Did I or my family ever go on the government's dole?  No.  Did we sometimes only have soup and cereal to eat for weeks on end?  Yes.

              But those though times taught us lessons that we do not ever want to forget.  Those tough times (sometimes for longer than 2 years), created within us learning curves that made it so that when THAT season of our lives was over, we came out stronger, smarter and more compassionate.

              Had we lived off the state's money, there is every chance that we would have not learned.  We would have had more money FOR THE MOMENT, but not for the long term.

              i was not cool enough to play that game...my game was chess...and still is...

              i rember her name...i think it was ambereen...or something...she brought it to school one day...maybe thats why i am unemployed...i must have gotten stuck playing connect four or parchesi....

              playing games in school....ahhh the good old days...Sad Wavey

                mediabrat's avatar - 18z0typ
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                Posted: May 6, 2012, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

                If your idea of creating strong families and a strong nation is to continue to starve middle class and poor familes out living wages, then we are all in trouble. Thinking in terms of left or right will solve nothing.

                Country first!

                I agree with the first sentence.  I don't disagree with the second sentence, but unfortunately, it does seem like the two sides of this issue tend to mirror the political spectrum.

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                  Posted: May 6, 2012, 7:15 pm - IP Logged

                  Yes, you are correct, but just imagine how powerful and efficient a nation would become if 90% of the population worked in every aspect of their lives to benefit themselves and the nation.

                  I'm just saying.....

                  I'd hate to burst your bubble, but that's called National Socialism.  That, in it's crudest meaning, is Fascism.  I don't necessarrily mean Nazism, but essentially what it means is that your life belongs to the state.  The state is working for the advancement of the people (in theory) and you don't own anything, including your life.  Even if it DID work better, it's a sad existance, when every action you make has to be approved by government.  And it doesn't work - nearly every economy that's ever attempted anything close to what you're suggesting has failed due to staglflation, or inflation.

                   

                  In a free society, freedom is the reason for income inequality.  Freedom is the reason that wealth is generated, and the reason that people have things.  In a free society we value freedom for freedom's sake.  We don't take away other people's rights just because they are wealthier.  We don't create policies that "help the rich at the expense of the poor," we create policies that don't treat people differently, no matter there income, race, sex or age.  In a free society, there aren't that many policies anyway, because you are free to do anything that doesn't violate somebody elses rights.

                   

                  If I want to work to benefit other people, I have that choice, in a capitalist society, and if I don't, I can make that choice, too.  Although anybody would have a really hard time finding a line of work that doesn't work to other people's benefit, because in reality, the way wealth is created is through a profit incentive to produce goods and services that people want.  And the free society, that is, capitalism, is the most effective, moral and fair society possible.  And we certainly don't pass unconstitutional laws based on the premise that if you're in a hospital, the constitution doesn't matter to you.  The Health Care law is a huge violation of this Constitution, and it's going to hurt us badly in the long run.  Just remember that to be an effective beaurocrat, you can't be an innovator.  You don't invent.  You don't come up with new treatments.  You don't figure out ways to save money, and lives.  You just collect taxes and tell proffesionals that they cannot innovate without giving the government a cut, and a say.

                   

                  It's not only unconstiutional.  It's wrong, and it won't work.  It's going to make us worse off as a country, and it's only going to put us into debt faster.  It's going to strip away more of our freedom.  It's going to "fix" a few problems caused by older regulations, all while adding in a whole new, bigger set of problems caused by this newer regulation.

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                    Posted: May 6, 2012, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

                    If your idea of creating strong families and a strong nation is to continue to starve middle class and poor familes out living wages, then we are all in trouble. Thinking in terms of left or right will solve nothing.

                    Country first!

                    That's not what anyone said!

                     

                    I could make a much more ridiculous sounding statement about leftists - but I won't because I don't like to lie about how other people think.

                     

                    The proper role of government in a free society has nothing to do with wage controls.   They have, however, continued to steal from everybody through inflation, which harms the poor and middle class far more the rich, in terms of how much it costs them to live relative to their income.

                     

                    So I wonder how you conclude that the policies favor the rich.  (It's obvious that we do have policies which favor the mega-rich, but those are mostly regulations which democrats generally heavily favor, however, I wonder how you conclude that these policies are in place at the expense of the poor.)  If anything, the policies that hurt the poor the most hurt the rich as well, just a lot less, because most wealthy people have their assetts in more than just dollars.

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                      Posted: May 6, 2012, 7:30 pm - IP Logged

                      One last point.

                       

                      Indicating that we should all live a similar lifestyle shows that you don't understand the basic levels of economics.  I'm not takling about left-leaning, right-leaning, libertarian-leaning, etc.  I'm talking about the things that virtually all economists agree upon.

                       

                      Prosperity, wealth, whatever you want to call it is created by people.  People produce things based on demand.  This production is what wealth is.  Not dollars, not Euros, or whatever medium of exchange you use.  Now, my school of economic thought regards value as relative, since humans create value subjectively based off of, well.... their values.

                       

                      I'm obviously no fan of mainstream Keynesian ecnomics, but my point is that human action, usually based on the drive of people to better themselves, leads to wealth being created.  In other words - if we didn't have freedom, and if we all lived similarly, WE WOULD ALL LIVE IN POVERTY.

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                        Posted: May 6, 2012, 7:33 pm - IP Logged

                        If your idea of creating strong families and a strong nation is to continue to starve middle class and poor familes out living wages, then we are all in trouble. Thinking in terms of left or right will solve nothing.

                        Country first!

                        I am the middle class Googler, you know who is starving me, not the rich, not my employer, but the government that thinks it can create equalty by taxing me into supporting the poor,

                        Get this and get this straight, if your poor or uneducated in this country it your own fault!!!!!!!!

                        Free education from k-12, more knowledge than any generation before us, and if you can't live the Kardashian lifestyle, tough !!!!

                        Nobody and I mean nobody in business is trying to create poor people, it's not very good business to lose customers to poverty.

                        Do you really think Trump and Gates get up in the morning and try to figure out to leave people with nothing? no, they want others to thrive , so they thrive.

                        Now most of the so-called poverty stricken people I see, you know the ones that drive expensive cars, most of these people never gave a thought to their own future, most certainly not to their children, they make bad life choices and pay not attention to their financial well being.

                        Now if these so-called poor people gave a rats behind, they would be screaming for jobs, not health care and welfare, what they want is free, plain and simple,if they got free medicine and food, why work, why put any effort into earning a life for themselves.

                        Are there people who just got dealt a bad hand, sure there are, but in this day and age, the information and connections are there to help.

                        If you can't earn the wage you want , then your not qualified, plain and simple.

                        Equality does not mean free and easy.

                        Many of these people need to turn the stupid reality tv off, and except their lot in life or get busy making it better, and NOT BY FORCED GOVERNMENT LAWS.

                        Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                        For a lead role in a cage?

                         

                                                                    From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                          Posted: May 6, 2012, 7:57 pm - IP Logged

                          Rdgrnr,

                           

                          Can we plase get a grammar check on page 11?  There is some horrible stuff posted recently. Thanks in advance!!

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                            Posted: May 6, 2012, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

                            Rdgrnr,

                             

                            Can we plase get a grammar check on page 11?  There is some horrible stuff posted recently. Thanks in advance!!

                            Your a big boy, do it yourself.

                            Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                            For a lead role in a cage?

                             

                                                                        From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                              Posted: May 6, 2012, 8:15 pm - IP Logged

                              Your a big boy, do it yourself.

                              Thank you sir, may I have another?  LMFAO!!

                                 
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