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Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?

Yes [ 10 ]  [18.52%]
No [ 44 ]  [81.48%]
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You never cease to amaze me, Millions lost their jobs, yep and most refused a lower paying job because unemployment paid more, well, good ol bama used tax payer money to bail these people out by giving them an extension, an extension they abused, and while we had millions with extensions, they still refused to look for work, in the mean time, more businesses went under because there was no cash flow, no customers, small business was hit the hardest, big business downsized.

     Million lost their homes, most of those were the sub-prime loans, people who had no business owning a home to begin with, Do you know what sub-prime means?

   People with poor credit and lower income, Did the banks and mortgage companies take advatage of these people, well, yes and no, they were under pressure to give these loans, by some unions, SEIU Comes to mind right off the bat.

     They were screaming, equal and fair, your discriminatiing agaist people give them a loan.

     Now because I know many who have lost their homes, let me tell you this, they were living High on the hog, didn't put money away for such an event as illness or job loss. Didn't get rid of the cable and internet, didn't get a more affordable car, didn't stop with the shopping sprees and trips to cedar point.

Then these morons had the audacity to blame the bank, really, no one told you to live beyond your means, no one told you to take an equity loan out to pay your credit cards.

The bank loaned you the money, that means you have to pay it back or lose your home, you signed on the dotted line, that was the agrrement.

Side note, anyone and I mean anyone, who takes equity out of their home to pay other debt is a moron, plain and simple.

Home loans are secured debt, credit cards are not.

You don't blame the dentist if you get a cavity, you don't blame the grocery store for charging you for food, you don't blame the car repair shop, because your brakes are bad.

I am sick of people crying about being required to pay for themselves,

Now the government is bailing home owners out with , yep, tax payer money.

It is not up to the tax payers to make sure someone keeps their home.

The only people who want re-distribution of wealth are those who don't want to earn their keep, or want something for nothing.

Now your nothing more than a plant and a puppet, trying to sway voters, by reminding the greedy, all the free they can have.

Most people on this thread see right through you.

BUYLOW, Fell free to check for spelling errors now!

But if you call me A DRUNK INDIAN again, we are going to have words.

Keep your racism and sterotyping to yourself

Sully - If I ever decide to grow up... I want to have you as my mentor.  At bare minimum you need to be on my side of the debate team as lead spokesman/person.  Between you and Ridge y'all express, quite brilliantly and succinctly, my sentiments on an ongoing basis. 

thank you.

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    Lavender Rocket

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    Posted: May 8, 2012, 4:37 pm - IP Logged

    The lemmings are gathering.

    This way for free stuff everybody!

    Follow me!

    wait... free stuff?  i guess that cliff doesnt look THAT high... sure! <<snicker - chortle - giggle - snort>>

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      Just because I said that McCain wouldn't have done any better does not mean I think Obama has been perfect.  He has made his mistakes, to be sure, but to hear the right-wingers tell it, his biggest failing is that he hasn't been able to snap his fingers and magically solve all of our problems.  The idea that anyone short of God himself could have reversed the damage that had already been done when Obama assumed office a little more than 3 years ago is laughable.  The idea that the best route to reversing that damage and to prosperity for all is to let a select few walk off with all of the money is frightening.

      I'm still waiting for you to label the usual Obama-blamers as ignorant.  Unless you have reason to believe (or, better yet, proof) that they're all economics majors?

      Most of them are (ignorant of economics).

       

      But at least a lot of them seem to have a decent understanding of the basic concepts of economics.  Like the fact that "trade is full of win", so to speak.  That in a free market society, trade happens because it's beneficial to both or all parties (or at least, appears that way to the parties involved).

       

      So while most are ignorant of economics, they are far, far less so, probably because Conservative influences are largely based on Economic Conservatism.  This changed in the last few decades, but the roots of Conservatism are still grounded in sound economic policies.

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        I can see that sully artfully cleaned your clock but just one more thing, googler...

        You said:

        "...the majority of the people in this poll voted to bring balance to the distribution of wealth."

        Doesn't matter a hill of beans what a bunch of libs said in an unscientific online poll. What matters is what the Constitution says.

        Could you show me where in the Constitution it says anything about the redistribution of wealth or the government being involved in anything like that? Where exactly does it say we can arbitrarily take it away from the people who earn it and give it to those who don't want to work? Please be specific.

        Thanks ever so much.

        This.

         

        The United States of America is a Federal Republic, not a Democracy.

         

         

        The rest of this post is not pointed at RDGRNR.

         

        You can't just vote to take my money.  Or my life.  Or my property.  You cannot vote away my rights, as much as you progressive wealth redistributers want to.  I'd suggest you take a long hard look at how wealth is created.  Countries with income inequality tend to have more wealthy poor people than countries with less.  That's because in countries that tend to have less income inequality don't have properly functioning markets and they also tend to have price controls, and big investors and CEOs don't reap huge benefits of this new wealth, because that new wealth is never created. Everyone is POOR TOGETHER in these socialist countries, because after the wealth is redistributed, the people who would invest their money and time don't want to anymore, because if they are successful they will have their fortunes stolen from them.  So less things get produced, and there is less prosperity, ESPECIALLY FOR THE POOR.

         

        Oh, but I guess the Constitution is unimportant?

         

        To all of those people who keep mentioning "Bush's Wars" (and know that I was, and still am firmly against the Iraq War, it was unnecessary and uncalled for) you should realize that Congress authorized those conflicts.

         

        Unlike Obama's.  He just sent our Air Force to Libya, Yemen, and quite a few other nations.  Where are you complaining about that?  Oh you won't because Obama can do no wrong.  Even when he breaks the law in ways far more serious than Bush.  Even when he commits our troops without anybody authorizing it.  Even when his administration GIVES GUNS to Mexican Drug Cartels, and then loses track of them.

         

        That's all dandy to you, isn't it?

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          I can see that sully artfully cleaned your clock but just one more thing, googler...

          You said:

          "...the majority of the people in this poll voted to bring balance to the distribution of wealth."

          Doesn't matter a hill of beans what a bunch of libs said in an unscientific online poll. What matters is what the Constitution says.

          Could you show me where in the Constitution it says anything about the redistribution of wealth or the government being involved in anything like that? Where exactly does it say we can arbitrarily take it away from the people who earn it and give it to those who don't want to work? Please be specific.

          Thanks ever so much.

          This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

          About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel. Blue Angel When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

          It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

          There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

          Study the chart! 


           

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            This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

            About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel. Blue Angel When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

            It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

            There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

            Study the chart! 


             

            So I take it you are a disciple in income redistribution  and a firm believer that money should be taken from those who earn the most and given to those who don't earn as much ??    Please give me your name, address and bank accounts because I have decided to no longer work and will let you support me. Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions. I also think you should pay for my cell as well, give me food stamps,free or reduced living and ANY lottery winnings I want my fair share (20% should work)..........I don't watch or listen to Rush Limbaugh at all, but I am going to jump on the Obama train as long as you want to give me free stuff, because I deserve it.........God bless and thank you Googler

            Stay Positive, Believe and good things will come your way

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              This.

               

              The United States of America is a Federal Republic, not a Democracy.

               

               

              The rest of this post is not pointed at RDGRNR.

               

              You can't just vote to take my money.  Or my life.  Or my property.  You cannot vote away my rights, as much as you progressive wealth redistributers want to.  I'd suggest you take a long hard look at how wealth is created.  Countries with income inequality tend to have more wealthy poor people than countries with less.  That's because in countries that tend to have less income inequality don't have properly functioning markets and they also tend to have price controls, and big investors and CEOs don't reap huge benefits of this new wealth, because that new wealth is never created. Everyone is POOR TOGETHER in these socialist countries, because after the wealth is redistributed, the people who would invest their money and time don't want to anymore, because if they are successful they will have their fortunes stolen from them.  So less things get produced, and there is less prosperity, ESPECIALLY FOR THE POOR.

               

              Oh, but I guess the Constitution is unimportant?

               

              To all of those people who keep mentioning "Bush's Wars" (and know that I was, and still am firmly against the Iraq War, it was unnecessary and uncalled for) you should realize that Congress authorized those conflicts.

               

              Unlike Obama's.  He just sent our Air Force to Libya, Yemen, and quite a few other nations.  Where are you complaining about that?  Oh you won't because Obama can do no wrong.  Even when he breaks the law in ways far more serious than Bush.  Even when he commits our troops without anybody authorizing it.  Even when his administration GIVES GUNS to Mexican Drug Cartels, and then loses track of them.

               

              That's all dandy to you, isn't it?

              What!!! "Congress authorized those conflicts." Based on lies told by the Bush administration. John McCain and many other Republicans were demanding that President Obama assist Libya. After the conflict started, the Republicans complained that he acted without authority.

              Our President could've investigated Bush for war crimes and lying to Congress, but no, the house was burning down and President Obama said, let's look forward, not backward. When the Republicans gain power after the mid term elections, Rep Issa started hearings and investigations of everything. Most of the findings sadly  :( , led back to the Bush administration. Now they are after Eric Holder, seeking an Independent Investigation of MF Global. Contempt of court citations.  Just like the White Water Investigation. Bitter Bitter people.

              Don't forget about President Ronald Reagan's administration supplied guns to the Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua. If President Obama had committed the "crimes" that you speak of those zealot far far-right nuts would be impeaching President Obama so fast that your head would swim.....so stop the lies.  Lies are the refuge of weak arguments.

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                So I take it you are a disciple in income redistribution  and a firm believer that money should be taken from those who earn the most and given to those who don't earn as much ??    Please give me your name, address and bank accounts because I have decided to no longer work and will let you support me. Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions. I also think you should pay for my cell as well, give me food stamps,free or reduced living and ANY lottery winnings I want my fair share (20% should work)..........I don't watch or listen to Rush Limbaugh at all, but I am going to jump on the Obama train as long as you want to give me free stuff, because I deserve it.........God bless and thank you Googler

                "Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions."

                This already happens in most civilized countries.

                As for the rest of your comment: preposterous.  I don't think that's what Googler is saying at all.  Maybe I'm misreading his posts (and if I am, Googler, please correct me), but I doubt he's advocating anything quite as severe as Soviet-style socialism/Communism.  It seems to me he's merely pointing out the vast and growing difference between the rich and everyone else in this country.  I'm not sure what he intends to do about that, but the Buffett Rule seems like a good start.  You do realize that the rich are being taxed at the lowest rates ever?  And you folks want to tax them even less?  Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it.

                The story goes that the famed outlaw Jesse James was once asked why he robbed banks.  His answer:  "Because that's where the money is."

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                  This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

                  About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel. Blue Angel When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

                  It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

                  There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

                  Study the chart! 


                   

                  I don't see what chart you are talking about.

                   

                  Rush Hatebaugh - An example of your hate.

                  It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." - It's obvious you don't have any kids because no decent parent lets their child get away with telling lies.  Which is why you are being called out on the one's you are spewing.

                  I also noticed that you could not find specific examples in the Constitution about wealth redistribution like ridge asked.  Or you just blatantly ignored it, which I believe to be the case.

                  There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. - The goodwill still exists.  I help my neighbors and friends all the time.  It doesn't exist in your "me first, rob from Peter to pay Paul, everybody gets a trophy, cradle to grave free free free" world.

                  Why do you want money you didn't earn? 

                  Life's Too Short To Be Unhappy Cool

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                    "Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions."

                    This already happens in most civilized countries.

                    As for the rest of your comment: preposterous.  I don't think that's what Googler is saying at all.  Maybe I'm misreading his posts (and if I am, Googler, please correct me), but I doubt he's advocating anything quite as severe as Soviet-style socialism/Communism.  It seems to me he's merely pointing out the vast and growing difference between the rich and everyone else in this country.  I'm not sure what he intends to do about that, but the Buffett Rule seems like a good start.  You do realize that the rich are being taxed at the lowest rates ever?  And you folks want to tax them even less?  Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it.

                    The story goes that the famed outlaw Jesse James was once asked why he robbed banks.  His answer:  "Because that's where the money is."

                    Almost half the people in this country DON'T pay any income tax.  How is that fair?  The rich do pay the lion's share of the taxes in this country?  Why should we take more from them? 

                    Your quote says a lot about what you think of rich people, that we should steal from them.  Jesse James was a murdering thief and no amount of romanticizing will change that. 

                     Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it. - It's this welfare President that has done more damage to middle America.  I noticed he kept the Bush tax cuts after saying he was going to let them expire.  Why is that?  Because the tax cuts work.

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                      This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

                      About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel. Blue Angel When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

                      It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

                      There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

                      Study the chart! 


                       

                      Your busted, I went through all your posts and most of your answers are short and without much thought, what do I see, 2 very distinct styles of speaking, so theres either 2 of you or your quite simply repeating some liberal pundit.

                       Your not here to play and win the lottery, your pushing an agenda, this thread is nothing more than spam.

                      The title of your thread, which by the way is a loaded question.

                      " SHOULD YOU VOTE FOR AND SUPPORT POLICIES THAT BENEFIT ONLY THE RICH AS YOU WAIT TO WIN THE LOTTERY.

                      I voted no, because no one should sit around WAITING to win the lottery, pipe dream.

                      We don't vote for policies, we vote for people to represent us, what your doing is hoping you'll prey on the ignorant.

                      Your preying on the have nots hoping you'll sway them to your political agenda.

                      You started this thread I'll finish it, the fact that your becoming increasing beligerent tells me you feel threatened, you didn't get the support you thought you would, your chart is garbage.

                      Why is your chart garbage, because your not factoring in inflation, an inflation that is being directly caused by the government .

                       People, the government is keeping gasoline high, they are refusing to let us drill and use our own, keeping the price high.

                      The same goes with electricty and natural gas, It's the federal taxes , that are keeping the prices up, They want us to feel good about using a higher costing solar power, what they are doing to us is unforgivable.

                      Now because of this inflation, it cost more for goods and services, so even if you get a raise, it's not enough to keep up with inflation.

                      It's not about the wage you earn, it's about the cost of everyday things.

                      Now I don't know about you goog, but, my husband and I have both received pay raises. If you didn't maybe it's because of poor performance or poor attendance.

                      Another thing the good ol government has been doing , and for many years shouldn't have been doing, is allowing the Federal reserve bank ( don't let the name fool you, this is a privately owned bank and the men who run it are the richest in the world.), They have  mandated monetary policy, and it's hurting us, Believe it or not, thats the job of congress, they aren't doing their job.

                      Every time the federal reserve prints money they can't back then loans it to the US government at a high interest rate, our dollar is worth less.

                      So what goog, here is doing is a backhanded way of class warfare, he/she is nothing more than a predator who wants you to vote for people with a socialist agenda. Wants you to blame the rich for your problems, Blame the government for keeping the cost of living so high.

                      I didn't just clean your clock, I b*TCH SLAPPED YOUR SILLY A** ALL OVER THE PLACE.

                      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                      For a lead role in a cage?

                       

                                                                  From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                        "Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions."

                        This already happens in most civilized countries.

                        As for the rest of your comment: preposterous.  I don't think that's what Googler is saying at all.  Maybe I'm misreading his posts (and if I am, Googler, please correct me), but I doubt he's advocating anything quite as severe as Soviet-style socialism/Communism.  It seems to me he's merely pointing out the vast and growing difference between the rich and everyone else in this country.  I'm not sure what he intends to do about that, but the Buffett Rule seems like a good start.  You do realize that the rich are being taxed at the lowest rates ever?  And you folks want to tax them even less?  Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it.

                        The story goes that the famed outlaw Jesse James was once asked why he robbed banks.  His answer:  "Because that's where the money is."

                        Media.....my above scenario was just being facetious but there are people like that. Don't think so ???? Go to YOUTUBE look at the lady over in Tampa that had 7-10 kids that expected someone else to take care of them.There are 2-3 NEWS clips on there about her....
                              Lets take a reasonable look at this shall we ???.....Lets say you are 55, worked hard all your life, worked your way up the corporate ladder. Made some savvy choices,had sound financial advice, the whole 9 yards.... You now have amassed $10 million in investments and stocks that earn 5%  which equals 500K a year. I don't spend that much(maybe 100-125K of the 500) because I don't need it, so the next year I roll the extra 375-400 K back over into my portfolio. I do the same for the next 3 years and now I am up to 11 + million and my interest is still chugging along  and each year the payout gets a little bigger and a little bigger and so on as the years keep truck by.........Now, lets say I am the same age and I only do average in my career field, still working,still paying off a mortgage, but making good wages,maybe $85-100K a year...Like you I have saved and invested but only have $700K in my investment portfolio. The 700K makes a nice little return but not quite 5%. As we all know, the more you invest the bigger the return. So lets say you get back 3.5% which equals roughly $25K a year. I sure will need all that to survive on........Every single year we both paid our taxes as the tax code required.
                           Heres the point...OF COURSE you are going to have more because you have earned it.....theres always going to be more on your plate............I will ask you the same question that I asked Googler earler in the topic(to which he failed to reply)......
                        How Much Money Should the Rich Be Allowed to Keep ???? What percentage should they should their tax level be ? 50, 60, 80 % ???.......Please, PLEASE show me how we can spend our way out of debt by more borrowing. I can't can you ???.
                        Let's take it one step further...lets gut their entire wealth, every single dime they own, take every millionaire and take it all to give back to Uncle Sam shall we ??....Do you realize that won't pay a 3rd the current national debt we have  ??  Our problem is not a tax issue its a SPEND issue...spend more than we take in, give more away, keep giving and giving and borrowing & borrowing......16 trillion and climbing is the problem....Doesn't make a difference whether its liberal or conservative....Obama has just hit the nitrous button on that issue......We are now spending 40 cents on every dollar just in interest....That my fellow LP poster is what is preposterous.

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                          Posted: May 9, 2012, 10:02 am - IP Logged

                          What!!! "Congress authorized those conflicts." Based on lies told by the Bush administration. John McCain and many other Republicans were demanding that President Obama assist Libya. After the conflict started, the Republicans complained that he acted without authority.

                          Our President could've investigated Bush for war crimes and lying to Congress, but no, the house was burning down and President Obama said, let's look forward, not backward. When the Republicans gain power after the mid term elections, Rep Issa started hearings and investigations of everything. Most of the findings sadly  :( , led back to the Bush administration. Now they are after Eric Holder, seeking an Independent Investigation of MF Global. Contempt of court citations.  Just like the White Water Investigation. Bitter Bitter people.

                          Don't forget about President Ronald Reagan's administration supplied guns to the Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua. If President Obama had committed the "crimes" that you speak of those zealot far far-right nuts would be impeaching President Obama so fast that your head would swim.....so stop the lies.  Lies are the refuge of weak arguments.

                          Oh here we go again.  Yes Reagan did do that.  Which is one of the biggest criticisms I have of him.  You are so full of sh*t that you just call the truth lies, and I have no interest in repeating something I already said.  It's like saying "If a Republican President decides to use the military, and it was authorized, they lied to congress.  If a Democrat did it without even being authorized, then the people criticizing him are lieing"

                           

                          The whole basis of your arguement is that the truth is lies, unless a Democrat lies.

                           

                          Read the Constitution.  It doesn't matter if McCain urged Obama to assist Libya.  He should have then put it up for vote.  But he didn't, and Obama waited until Congress was it Recess until he UNILATERALLY AND ILLEGALLY commited the air force to the effort.  A member of the house threatened to start impeachment trials on him if he ever did that again.

                           

                          Tell me, because I was against the Iraq War, what lies did Bush tell Congress?  Keep in mind that Hussein put out false intelegence to make the US, Iranians and Israelites think he had a nuclear bomb.  He wanted us to think he did, because he thought we'd leave him alone if he had them.

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                            Oh here we go again.  Yes Reagan did do that.  Which is one of the biggest criticisms I have of him.  You are so full of sh*t that you just call the truth lies, and I have no interest in repeating something I already said.  It's like saying "If a Republican President decides to use the military, and it was authorized, they lied to congress.  If a Democrat did it without even being authorized, then the people criticizing him are lieing"

                             

                            The whole basis of your arguement is that the truth is lies, unless a Democrat lies.

                             

                            Read the Constitution.  It doesn't matter if McCain urged Obama to assist Libya.  He should have then put it up for vote.  But he didn't, and Obama waited until Congress was it Recess until he UNILATERALLY AND ILLEGALLY commited the air force to the effort.  A member of the house threatened to start impeachment trials on him if he ever did that again.

                             

                            Tell me, because I was against the Iraq War, what lies did Bush tell Congress?  Keep in mind that Hussein put out false intelegence to make the US, Iranians and Israelites think he had a nuclear bomb.  He wanted us to think he did, because he thought we'd leave him alone if he had them.

                            Love your posts Boney

                            This entire thread was spam from the beginning, poor disguise and many of us saw it from the beginning.

                            Heres to googSpam

                            Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                            For a lead role in a cage?

                             

                                                                        From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                              "Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions."

                              This already happens in most civilized countries.

                              As for the rest of your comment: preposterous.  I don't think that's what Googler is saying at all.  Maybe I'm misreading his posts (and if I am, Googler, please correct me), but I doubt he's advocating anything quite as severe as Soviet-style socialism/Communism.  It seems to me he's merely pointing out the vast and growing difference between the rich and everyone else in this country.  I'm not sure what he intends to do about that, but the Buffett Rule seems like a good start.  You do realize that the rich are being taxed at the lowest rates ever?  And you folks want to tax them even less?  Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it.

                              The story goes that the famed outlaw Jesse James was once asked why he robbed banks.  His answer:  "Because that's where the money is."

                              Willie sutton.

                              What ? Who ? the famous bank robber of the 1930s.

                              It was'nt Jesse James that said "Because thats' where the money is" It was Willie Sutton.

                              and what he really said, when asked by an interveiwer, "why do you rob banks ? "

                              was "cause thats' where they keep the money"

                              Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

                                 
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