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Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?

Yes [ 10 ]  [18.52%]
No [ 44 ]  [81.48%]
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This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel. Blue Angel When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

Study the chart! 


 

Instead of considering income inequality as relevant (which it absolutely is not) we should consider whether the bottom 20 percent are better off now than in 1980.

 

First of all, their wages have increased.  Secondly, what they can buy with those wages has gotten better.  There's a million measures I could use to prove to you that the poorest people are different people than they were 20 or 30 years ago, butand that those in that bracket now have significant advantages over those that were there earlier, or that are there in other countries.

 

Something tells me you, you quite obviously (from your post) never studied any amount of economics, otherwise you'd know that the wealthy doesn't steal from us.  If anything, it's the other way around.  But whatever.

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    Googler and Media...This ones for you........I just went to Forbes rich list ....Took all the billionaires in the USA out of the top 300 + in the entire world:....Lets tax them more or better yet take it all.

    2515shares
    955tweets

    Total wealth.....   $1,000,000,000,000.2  .....That's 1 trillion dollars......... divided between every man woman and child in the USA(330 million roughly), that's about $3000.00 a piece.....How Long will that last  now we have divided their income equally ???  Sorry about the previous post saying they didnt ad up to a 3rd of our debt. I was completely wrong.... THEY don't add up to 1/10th  of the national debt !!!
     
     
    This is their NET WORTH:

    Browse The List

    Net Worth Calculated March 2012

    RankNameNet WorthAgeSourceCountry of Citizenship
    2Bill Gates

    Bill Gates

    $61 B56MicrosoftUnited States
    3Warren Buffett

    Warren Buffett

    $44 B81Berkshire HathawayUnited States
    6Larry Ellison

    Larry Ellison

    $36 B67OracleUnited States
    11Christy Walton & family

    Christy Walton & family

    $25.3 B57Wal-MartUnited States
    12Charles Koch

    Charles Koch

    $25 B76diversifiedUnited States
    12David Koch

    David Koch

    $25 B71diversifiedUnited States
    14Sheldon Adelson

    Sheldon Adelson

    $24.9 B78casinosUnited States
    16Jim Walton

    Jim Walton

    $23.7 B64Wal-MartUnited States
    17Alice Walton

    Alice Walton

    $23.3 B62Wal-MartUnited States
    18S. Robson Walton

    S. Robson Walton

    $23.1 B68Wal-MartUnited States
    20Michael Bloomberg

    Michael Bloomberg

    $22 B70Bloomberg LPUnited States
    22George Soros

    George Soros

    $20 B81hedge fundsUnited States
    24Sergey Brin

    Sergey Brin

    $18.7 B38GoogleUnited States
    24Larry Page

    Larry Page

    $18.7 B39GoogleUnited States
    26Jeff Bezos

    Jeff Bezos

    $18.4 B48Amazon.comUnited States
    35Mark Zuckerberg

    Mark Zuckerberg

    $17.5 B27FacebookUnited States
    41Michael Dell

    Michael Dell

    $15.9 B47DellUnited States
    44Steve Ballmer

    Steve Ballmer

    $15.7 B56MicrosoftUnited States
    47Phil Knight

    Phil Knight

    $14.4 B74NikeUnited States
    48Paul Allen

    Paul Allen

    $14.2 B59Microsoft, investmentsUnited States
    50Carl Icahn

    Carl Icahn

    $14 B76leveraged buyoutsUnited States
    52Forrest Mars Jr

    Forrest Mars Jr

    $13.8 B80candyUnited States
    52Jacqueline Mars

    Jacqueline Mars

    $13.8 B72candyUnited States
    52John Mars

    John Mars

    $13.8 B75candyUnited States
    61Anne Cox Chambers

    Anne Cox Chambers

    $12.5 B92mediaUnited States
    61John Paulson

    John Paulson

    $12.5 B56hedge fundsUnited States
    69Donald Bren

    Donald Bren

    $12 B79real estateUnited States
    69Ronald Perelman

    Ronald Perelman

    $12 B69leveraged buyoutsUnited States
    72Len Blavatnik

    Len Blavatnik

    $11.9 B54diversifiedUnited States
    78Harold Hamm

    Harold Hamm

    $11 B66oil & gasUnited States
    82James Simons

    James Simons

    $10.7 B73hedge fundsUnited States
    84Jack Taylor & family

    Jack Taylor & family

    $10.4 B89Enterprise Rent-A-CarUnited States
    85Abigail Johnson

    Abigail Johnson

    $10.3 B50FidelityUnited States
    88Ray Dalio

    Ray Dalio

    $10 B62hedge fundsUnited States
    88George Kaiser

    George Kaiser

    $10 B69oil & gas, bankingUnited States
    100Laurene Powell Jobs & family

    Laurene Powell Jobs & family

    $9 B48Apple, DisneyUnited States
    100Harold Simmons

    Harold Simmons

    $9 B80investmentsUnited States
    106Steve Cohen

    Steve Cohen

    $8.3 B56hedge fundsUnited States
    106Charles Ergen

    Charles Ergen

    $8.3 B59EchoStarUnited States
    106Rupert Murdoch

    Rupert Murdoch

    $8.3 B81News CorpUnited States
    110Richard Kinder

    Richard Kinder

    $8.2 B67pipelinesUnited States
    122Ralph Lauren

    Ralph Lauren

    $7.5 B72Ralph LaurenUnited States
    125James Goodnight

    James Goodnight

    $7.3 B69SAS InstituteUnited States
    127Patrick Soon-Shiong

    Patrick Soon-Shiong

    $7.2 B60pharmaceuticalsUnited States
    131Leonard Lauder

    Leonard Lauder

    $7.1 B79Estee LauderUnited States
    131Samuel Newhouse Jr

    Samuel Newhouse Jr

    $7.1 B84Conde NastUnited States
    133Philip Anschutz

    Philip Anschutz

    $7 B72investmentsUnited States
    133Andrew Beal

    Andrew Beal

    $7 B59banks, real estateUnited States
    138Eric Schmidt

    Eric Schmidt

    $6.9 B56GoogleUnited States
    141Pierre Omidyar

    Pierre Omidyar

    $6.7 B44EbayUnited States
    153Charles Butt & family

    Charles Butt & family

    $6.4 B74supermarketsUnited States
    153Donald Newhouse

    Donald Newhouse

    $6.4 B82Conde NastUnited States
    157Eli Broad

    Eli Broad

    $6.3 B78investmentsUnited States
    157Jim Kennedy

    Jim Kennedy

    $6.3 B64mediaUnited States
    157Blair Parry-Okeden

    Blair Parry-Okeden

    $6.3 B61mediaUnited States
    173Edward Johnson III

    Edward Johnson III

    $5.8 B81FidelityUnited States
    184David Geffen

    David Geffen

    $5.5 B69movies, musicUnited States
    184Stephen Schwarzman

    Stephen Schwarzman

    $5.5 B65investmentsUnited States
    189Thomas Peterffy

    Thomas Peterffy

    $5.4 B67discount brokerageUnited States
    189Ira Rennert

    Ira Rennert

    $5.4 B77investmentsUnited States
    193Jeffrey Hildebrand

    Jeffrey Hildebrand

    $5.3 B53OilUnited States
    199John Malone

    John Malone

    $5.1 B71cable televisionUnited States
    199David Tepper

    David Tepper

    $5.1 B54hedge fundsUnited States
    205Richard DeVos

    Richard DeVos

    $5 B86AmwayUnited States
    205Ray Lee Hunt

    Ray Lee Hunt

    $5 B69oil, real estateUnited States
    205Richard LeFrak & family

    Richard LeFrak & family

    $5 B66real estateUnited States
    205Dennis Washington

    Dennis Washington

    $5 B77construction, miningUnited States
    216Hank & Doug Meijer

    Hank & Doug Meijer

    $4.9 B-supermarketsUnited States
    216Gordon Moore

    Gordon Moore

    $4.9 B83IntelUnited States
    216Sam Zell

    Sam Zell

    $4.9 B70real estate, private equityUnited States
    221Robert Rowling

    Robert Rowling

    $4.8 B58investmentsUnited States
    223Micky Arison

    Micky Arison

    $4.7 B62Carnival CruisesUnited States
    232Charles Johnson

    Charles Johnson

    $4.5 B79financial servicesUnited States
    232Bruce Kovner

    Bruce Kovner

    $4.5 B67hedge fundsUnited States
    232John Menard Jr

    John Menard Jr

    $4.5 B72RetailUnited States
    242Rupert Johnson Jr

    Rupert Johnson Jr

    $4.4 B70Franklin ResourcesUnited States
    242Sumner Redstone

    Sumner Redstone

    $4.4 B88ViacomUnited States
    248Leslie Wexner

    Leslie Wexner

    $4.3 B74retailUnited States
    255Bruce Halle

    Bruce Halle

    $4.2 B81Discount TireUnited States
    255Leonard Stern

    Leonard Stern

    $4.2 B73real estateUnited States
    255Daniel Ziff

    Daniel Ziff

    $4.2 B40investmentsUnited States
    255Dirk Ziff

    Dirk Ziff

    $4.2 B47investmentsUnited States
    255Robert Ziff

    Robert Ziff

    $4.2 B45investmentsUnited States
    270Dannine Avara

    Dannine Avara

    $4.1 B48pipelinesUnited States
    270Scott Duncan

    Scott Duncan

    $4.1 B29PipelinesUnited States
    270Milane Frantz

    Milane Frantz

    $4.1 B42PipelinesUnited States
    270Randa Williams

    Randa Williams

    $4.1 B50PipelinesUnited States
    276Jin Sook & Do Won Chang

    Jin Sook & Do Won Chang

    $4 B57retailUnited States
    276John Paul DeJoria

    John Paul DeJoria

    $4 B68hair products, tequilaUnited States
    276David Green

    David Green

    $4 B70Hobby LobbyUnited States
    276William Koch

    William Koch

    $4 B71oil, investmentsUnited States
    276Henry Kravis

    Henry Kravis

    $4 B68leveraged buyoutsUnited States
    276Roger Wang

    Roger Wang

    $4 B63retailUnited States
    288Ann Walton Kroenke

    Ann Walton Kroenke

    $3.9 B63Wal-MartUnited States
    296Victor Fung & family

    Victor Fung & family

    $3.7 B66sourcingUnited States
    296Mitchell Rales

    Mitchell Rales

    $3.7 B55manufacturingUnited States
    296John Sall

    John Sall

    $3.7 B63SAS InstituteUnited States
    304Robert Bass

    Robert Bass

    $3.6 B64oil, investmentsUnited States
    304Trevor Rees-Jones

    Trevor Rees-Jones

    $3.6 B60Oil & GasUnited States
    304George Roberts

    George Roberts

    $3.6 B68leveraged buyoutsUnited States

    Stay Positive, Believe and good things will come your way


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      Posted: May 9, 2012, 10:37 am - IP Logged

      Googler and Media...This ones for you........I just went to Forbes rich list ....Took all the billionaires in the USA out of the top 300 + in the entire world:....Lets tax them more or better yet take it all.

      2515shares
      955tweets

      Total wealth.....   $1,000,000,000,000.2  .....That's 1 trillion dollars......... divided between every man woman and child in the USA(330 million roughly), that's about $3000.00 a piece.....How Long will that last  now we have divided their income equally ???  Sorry about the previous post saying they didnt ad up to a 3rd of our debt. I was completely wrong.... THEY don't add up to 1/10th  of the national debt !!!
       
       
      This is their NET WORTH:

      Browse The List

      Net Worth Calculated March 2012

      RankNameNet WorthAgeSourceCountry of Citizenship
      2Bill Gates

      Bill Gates

      $61 B56MicrosoftUnited States
      3Warren Buffett

      Warren Buffett

      $44 B81Berkshire HathawayUnited States
      6Larry Ellison

      Larry Ellison

      $36 B67OracleUnited States
      11Christy Walton & family

      Christy Walton & family

      $25.3 B57Wal-MartUnited States
      12Charles Koch

      Charles Koch

      $25 B76diversifiedUnited States
      12David Koch

      David Koch

      $25 B71diversifiedUnited States
      14Sheldon Adelson

      Sheldon Adelson

      $24.9 B78casinosUnited States
      16Jim Walton

      Jim Walton

      $23.7 B64Wal-MartUnited States
      17Alice Walton

      Alice Walton

      $23.3 B62Wal-MartUnited States
      18S. Robson Walton

      S. Robson Walton

      $23.1 B68Wal-MartUnited States
      20Michael Bloomberg

      Michael Bloomberg

      $22 B70Bloomberg LPUnited States
      22George Soros

      George Soros

      $20 B81hedge fundsUnited States
      24Sergey Brin

      Sergey Brin

      $18.7 B38GoogleUnited States
      24Larry Page

      Larry Page

      $18.7 B39GoogleUnited States
      26Jeff Bezos

      Jeff Bezos

      $18.4 B48Amazon.comUnited States
      35Mark Zuckerberg

      Mark Zuckerberg

      $17.5 B27FacebookUnited States
      41Michael Dell

      Michael Dell

      $15.9 B47DellUnited States
      44Steve Ballmer

      Steve Ballmer

      $15.7 B56MicrosoftUnited States
      47Phil Knight

      Phil Knight

      $14.4 B74NikeUnited States
      48Paul Allen

      Paul Allen

      $14.2 B59Microsoft, investmentsUnited States
      50Carl Icahn

      Carl Icahn

      $14 B76leveraged buyoutsUnited States
      52Forrest Mars Jr

      Forrest Mars Jr

      $13.8 B80candyUnited States
      52Jacqueline Mars

      Jacqueline Mars

      $13.8 B72candyUnited States
      52John Mars

      John Mars

      $13.8 B75candyUnited States
      61Anne Cox Chambers

      Anne Cox Chambers

      $12.5 B92mediaUnited States
      61John Paulson

      John Paulson

      $12.5 B56hedge fundsUnited States
      69Donald Bren

      Donald Bren

      $12 B79real estateUnited States
      69Ronald Perelman

      Ronald Perelman

      $12 B69leveraged buyoutsUnited States
      72Len Blavatnik

      Len Blavatnik

      $11.9 B54diversifiedUnited States
      78Harold Hamm

      Harold Hamm

      $11 B66oil & gasUnited States
      82James Simons

      James Simons

      $10.7 B73hedge fundsUnited States
      84Jack Taylor & family

      Jack Taylor & family

      $10.4 B89Enterprise Rent-A-CarUnited States
      85Abigail Johnson

      Abigail Johnson

      $10.3 B50FidelityUnited States
      88Ray Dalio

      Ray Dalio

      $10 B62hedge fundsUnited States
      88George Kaiser

      George Kaiser

      $10 B69oil & gas, bankingUnited States
      100Laurene Powell Jobs & family

      Laurene Powell Jobs & family

      $9 B48Apple, DisneyUnited States
      100Harold Simmons

      Harold Simmons

      $9 B80investmentsUnited States
      106Steve Cohen

      Steve Cohen

      $8.3 B56hedge fundsUnited States
      106Charles Ergen

      Charles Ergen

      $8.3 B59EchoStarUnited States
      106Rupert Murdoch

      Rupert Murdoch

      $8.3 B81News CorpUnited States
      110Richard Kinder

      Richard Kinder

      $8.2 B67pipelinesUnited States
      122Ralph Lauren

      Ralph Lauren

      $7.5 B72Ralph LaurenUnited States
      125James Goodnight

      James Goodnight

      $7.3 B69SAS InstituteUnited States
      127Patrick Soon-Shiong

      Patrick Soon-Shiong

      $7.2 B60pharmaceuticalsUnited States
      131Leonard Lauder

      Leonard Lauder

      $7.1 B79Estee LauderUnited States
      131Samuel Newhouse Jr

      Samuel Newhouse Jr

      $7.1 B84Conde NastUnited States
      133Philip Anschutz

      Philip Anschutz

      $7 B72investmentsUnited States
      133Andrew Beal

      Andrew Beal

      $7 B59banks, real estateUnited States
      138Eric Schmidt

      Eric Schmidt

      $6.9 B56GoogleUnited States
      141Pierre Omidyar

      Pierre Omidyar

      $6.7 B44EbayUnited States
      153Charles Butt & family

      Charles Butt & family

      $6.4 B74supermarketsUnited States
      153Donald Newhouse

      Donald Newhouse

      $6.4 B82Conde NastUnited States
      157Eli Broad

      Eli Broad

      $6.3 B78investmentsUnited States
      157Jim Kennedy

      Jim Kennedy

      $6.3 B64mediaUnited States
      157Blair Parry-Okeden

      Blair Parry-Okeden

      $6.3 B61mediaUnited States
      173Edward Johnson III

      Edward Johnson III

      $5.8 B81FidelityUnited States
      184David Geffen

      David Geffen

      $5.5 B69movies, musicUnited States
      184Stephen Schwarzman

      Stephen Schwarzman

      $5.5 B65investmentsUnited States
      189Thomas Peterffy

      Thomas Peterffy

      $5.4 B67discount brokerageUnited States
      189Ira Rennert

      Ira Rennert

      $5.4 B77investmentsUnited States
      193Jeffrey Hildebrand

      Jeffrey Hildebrand

      $5.3 B53OilUnited States
      199John Malone

      John Malone

      $5.1 B71cable televisionUnited States
      199David Tepper

      David Tepper

      $5.1 B54hedge fundsUnited States
      205Richard DeVos

      Richard DeVos

      $5 B86AmwayUnited States
      205Ray Lee Hunt

      Ray Lee Hunt

      $5 B69oil, real estateUnited States
      205Richard LeFrak & family

      Richard LeFrak & family

      $5 B66real estateUnited States
      205Dennis Washington

      Dennis Washington

      $5 B77construction, miningUnited States
      216Hank & Doug Meijer

      Hank & Doug Meijer

      $4.9 B-supermarketsUnited States
      216Gordon Moore

      Gordon Moore

      $4.9 B83IntelUnited States
      216Sam Zell

      Sam Zell

      $4.9 B70real estate, private equityUnited States
      221Robert Rowling

      Robert Rowling

      $4.8 B58investmentsUnited States
      223Micky Arison

      Micky Arison

      $4.7 B62Carnival CruisesUnited States
      232Charles Johnson

      Charles Johnson

      $4.5 B79financial servicesUnited States
      232Bruce Kovner

      Bruce Kovner

      $4.5 B67hedge fundsUnited States
      232John Menard Jr

      John Menard Jr

      $4.5 B72RetailUnited States
      242Rupert Johnson Jr

      Rupert Johnson Jr

      $4.4 B70Franklin ResourcesUnited States
      242Sumner Redstone

      Sumner Redstone

      $4.4 B88ViacomUnited States
      248Leslie Wexner

      Leslie Wexner

      $4.3 B74retailUnited States
      255Bruce Halle

      Bruce Halle

      $4.2 B81Discount TireUnited States
      255Leonard Stern

      Leonard Stern

      $4.2 B73real estateUnited States
      255Daniel Ziff

      Daniel Ziff

      $4.2 B40investmentsUnited States
      255Dirk Ziff

      Dirk Ziff

      $4.2 B47investmentsUnited States
      255Robert Ziff

      Robert Ziff

      $4.2 B45investmentsUnited States
      270Dannine Avara

      Dannine Avara

      $4.1 B48pipelinesUnited States
      270Scott Duncan

      Scott Duncan

      $4.1 B29PipelinesUnited States
      270Milane Frantz

      Milane Frantz

      $4.1 B42PipelinesUnited States
      270Randa Williams

      Randa Williams

      $4.1 B50PipelinesUnited States
      276Jin Sook & Do Won Chang

      Jin Sook & Do Won Chang

      $4 B57retailUnited States
      276John Paul DeJoria

      John Paul DeJoria

      $4 B68hair products, tequilaUnited States
      276David Green

      David Green

      $4 B70Hobby LobbyUnited States
      276William Koch

      William Koch

      $4 B71oil, investmentsUnited States
      276Henry Kravis

      Henry Kravis

      $4 B68leveraged buyoutsUnited States
      276Roger Wang

      Roger Wang

      $4 B63retailUnited States
      288Ann Walton Kroenke

      Ann Walton Kroenke

      $3.9 B63Wal-MartUnited States
      296Victor Fung & family

      Victor Fung & family

      $3.7 B66sourcingUnited States
      296Mitchell Rales

      Mitchell Rales

      $3.7 B55manufacturingUnited States
      296John Sall

      John Sall

      $3.7 B63SAS InstituteUnited States
      304Robert Bass

      Robert Bass

      $3.6 B64oil, investmentsUnited States
      304Trevor Rees-Jones

      Trevor Rees-Jones

      $3.6 B60Oil & GasUnited States
      304George Roberts

      George Roberts

      $3.6 B68leveraged buyoutsUnited States

      Is there a Forbes list for "Extremely Optimistic, Potentially Large Lottery Jackpot Winners", who will make this list in the very near future?

       

      If so, I would like to submit my picture for this prestigious list.  Type

        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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        This chart probably doesn't mean much to you, but it is real, real wages and income. If you are genuinely interested in the subject of socialism and wealth redistribution, please study this chart carefully. If you live anywhere outside of a bubble, you can't believe that this is good for you, America, democracy or even capitalism. American productivity is increasing on our shop floors, but our wages aren't increasing.

        About Sully's comment. Sorry, she didn't clean my clock. I wish that she were informed enough to give us good guidance.  One problem exist when you get your information from "inside the bubble" is that you are fed limited and erroneous information; told to read nothing outside of the information that the bubble feeds you. You all agree to believe the lies and half truths that you are being fed. You come to a consensus that everything that THE BUBBLE and Rush Hatebaugh says is gospel, really gospel. Blue Angel When you encounter the thinking public that lives outside of the bubble, you spout those brainwash lies and you actually believe what you are saying and "Cleaning our Clocks."

        It is like when your child has done something wrong; they make up a lie that makes no sense! The child looks up at you, like, "Boy, I really got away with that." But, a thinking adult just laughs. You spout vacuous words, words that aren't based in a functional reality, thus becoming moot and meaningless. That is the bubble's goal,  to keep just enough of the public dumb and speaking glorified patriotic nonsense, while the wealthy steals from us all. That is Sullen Sully.

        There was a time, not too long ago that seemed more neighborly, charitable and showing a general goodwill to others. I really hope that we can reclaim it. I also hope that the Internet hasn't created people that hide behind keyboard and express their selfishness, bitterness and hatefulness. Let us pray now.

        Study the chart! 


         

        LOL, I love when you leftys from the far left lunatic fringe of the leftwing-loon lunacy league finally come out of your closet, drop the facade and show/admit what you really are: Leftwing Loons.

        A little friendly advice for your next attempt to fool people, googy: YOU'RE LOUSY AT IT! TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

        That overused, phony-ass routine of "I'm not right or left, let's all just work together to benefit humanity" crap just doesn't work if there's anybody with half a brain around. Especially when you follow it up with all the standard moveon.soros talking points. It just pisses people off, googy, when they know you think they're too stupid to see your attempted scam.

        And googy, you really suck bad at it.

        I mean like whoa, really bad. Rank amateur bad.

        I pegged you from your very first post.

        BTW, what did you think of the Tea Party Candidate in the primary in Indiana last night?

        Smells like...   victory... 

        Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh...


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

        "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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          Your busted, I went through all your posts and most of your answers are short and without much thought, what do I see, 2 very distinct styles of speaking, so theres either 2 of you or your quite simply repeating some liberal pundit.

           Your not here to play and win the lottery, your pushing an agenda, this thread is nothing more than spam.

          The title of your thread, which by the way is a loaded question.

          " SHOULD YOU VOTE FOR AND SUPPORT POLICIES THAT BENEFIT ONLY THE RICH AS YOU WAIT TO WIN THE LOTTERY.

          I voted no, because no one should sit around WAITING to win the lottery, pipe dream.

          We don't vote for policies, we vote for people to represent us, what your doing is hoping you'll prey on the ignorant.

          Your preying on the have nots hoping you'll sway them to your political agenda.

          You started this thread I'll finish it, the fact that your becoming increasing beligerent tells me you feel threatened, you didn't get the support you thought you would, your chart is garbage.

          Why is your chart garbage, because your not factoring in inflation, an inflation that is being directly caused by the government .

           People, the government is keeping gasoline high, they are refusing to let us drill and use our own, keeping the price high.

          The same goes with electricty and natural gas, It's the federal taxes , that are keeping the prices up, They want us to feel good about using a higher costing solar power, what they are doing to us is unforgivable.

          Now because of this inflation, it cost more for goods and services, so even if you get a raise, it's not enough to keep up with inflation.

          It's not about the wage you earn, it's about the cost of everyday things.

          Now I don't know about you goog, but, my husband and I have both received pay raises. If you didn't maybe it's because of poor performance or poor attendance.

          Another thing the good ol government has been doing , and for many years shouldn't have been doing, is allowing the Federal reserve bank ( don't let the name fool you, this is a privately owned bank and the men who run it are the richest in the world.), They have  mandated monetary policy, and it's hurting us, Believe it or not, thats the job of congress, they aren't doing their job.

          Every time the federal reserve prints money they can't back then loans it to the US government at a high interest rate, our dollar is worth less.

          So what goog, here is doing is a backhanded way of class warfare, he/she is nothing more than a predator who wants you to vote for people with a socialist agenda. Wants you to blame the rich for your problems, Blame the government for keeping the cost of living so high.

          I didn't just clean your clock, I b*TCH SLAPPED YOUR SILLY A** ALL OVER THE PLACE.

          "I didn't just clean your clock, I b*TCH SLAPPED YOUR SILLY A** ALL OVER THE PLACE."

          I'll vouch for that!

          That was a good old fashioned azz whoopin'!

          Woooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooo!


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            Media.....my above scenario was just being facetious but there are people like that. Don't think so ???? Go to YOUTUBE look at the lady over in Tampa that had 7-10 kids that expected someone else to take care of them.There are 2-3 NEWS clips on there about her....
                  Lets take a reasonable look at this shall we ???.....Lets say you are 55, worked hard all your life, worked your way up the corporate ladder. Made some savvy choices,had sound financial advice, the whole 9 yards.... You now have amassed $10 million in investments and stocks that earn 5%  which equals 500K a year. I don't spend that much(maybe 100-125K of the 500) because I don't need it, so the next year I roll the extra 375-400 K back over into my portfolio. I do the same for the next 3 years and now I am up to 11 + million and my interest is still chugging along  and each year the payout gets a little bigger and a little bigger and so on as the years keep truck by.........Now, lets say I am the same age and I only do average in my career field, still working,still paying off a mortgage, but making good wages,maybe $85-100K a year...Like you I have saved and invested but only have $700K in my investment portfolio. The 700K makes a nice little return but not quite 5%. As we all know, the more you invest the bigger the return. So lets say you get back 3.5% which equals roughly $25K a year. I sure will need all that to survive on........Every single year we both paid our taxes as the tax code required.
               Heres the point...OF COURSE you are going to have more because you have earned it.....theres always going to be more on your plate............I will ask you the same question that I asked Googler earler in the topic(to which he failed to reply)......
            How Much Money Should the Rich Be Allowed to Keep ???? What percentage should they should their tax level be ? 50, 60, 80 % ???.......Please, PLEASE show me how we can spend our way out of debt by more borrowing. I can't can you ???.
            Let's take it one step further...lets gut their entire wealth, every single dime they own, take every millionaire and take it all to give back to Uncle Sam shall we ??....Do you realize that won't pay a 3rd the current national debt we have  ??  Our problem is not a tax issue its a SPEND issue...spend more than we take in, give more away, keep giving and giving and borrowing & borrowing......16 trillion and climbing is the problem....Doesn't make a difference whether its liberal or conservative....Obama has just hit the nitrous button on that issue......We are now spending 40 cents on every dollar just in interest....That my fellow LP poster is what is preposterous.

            Excellamundo, CD!  Thumbs Up


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

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              Googler & Media............I was then even a bit more curious...so I went and looked at Forbes top 400 list of billionaires in the USA.....The last guy I had on  my above list was on page 8 or 9 out of 40 pages..the rest of the folks went down from 3.5  to 2 Billion between pages 9-26, then from page 26 to the bottom of page 40 at 1.05 billion per person. Based on 10 people per page....SOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo ad roughly another 400-500 billion.
                 All total the billionaires NET WORTH in the USA do NOT ad up to 1/10 of the current national debt of 16 trillion.....
              In closing, we can take every rich person's net in the USA(Millionaire or Billionaire), redistribute their ENTIRE NET wealth and still have less than $6500.00 for every man woman and child..........So when it comes to taxes, the rich are not the problem nor can they solve it by taxing them more. WE the people need to elect people who are responsible for our ways of life, live within a budget and keep the opportunities to earn wealth, not take and spend  it foolishly as our leaders have done.

              Stay Positive, Believe and good things will come your way

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                "Oh, by the way, I want free medical too with only a $5.00 deductible on office visits and prescriptions."

                This already happens in most civilized countries.

                As for the rest of your comment: preposterous.  I don't think that's what Googler is saying at all.  Maybe I'm misreading his posts (and if I am, Googler, please correct me), but I doubt he's advocating anything quite as severe as Soviet-style socialism/Communism.  It seems to me he's merely pointing out the vast and growing difference between the rich and everyone else in this country.  I'm not sure what he intends to do about that, but the Buffett Rule seems like a good start.  You do realize that the rich are being taxed at the lowest rates ever?  And you folks want to tax them even less?  Between the cutting of taxes and the desire to cut as many services for the poor as possible, it certainly looks like the right wing wants to place our economic burdens on the backs of those who can least afford it.

                The story goes that the famed outlaw Jesse James was once asked why he robbed banks.  His answer:  "Because that's where the money is."

                You're in over your head, mediabratwurst. Out of your league.

                Your political acumen is on a level with your historical quotes - severely lacking or outright, blatantly wrong.

                This is worse than the time you said that Abraham Lincoln said "This is a day that will live in infamy" at Gettysburg.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

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                  rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                  Oh here we go again.  Yes Reagan did do that.  Which is one of the biggest criticisms I have of him.  You are so full of sh*t that you just call the truth lies, and I have no interest in repeating something I already said.  It's like saying "If a Republican President decides to use the military, and it was authorized, they lied to congress.  If a Democrat did it without even being authorized, then the people criticizing him are lieing"

                   

                  The whole basis of your arguement is that the truth is lies, unless a Democrat lies.

                   

                  Read the Constitution.  It doesn't matter if McCain urged Obama to assist Libya.  He should have then put it up for vote.  But he didn't, and Obama waited until Congress was it Recess until he UNILATERALLY AND ILLEGALLY commited the air force to the effort.  A member of the house threatened to start impeachment trials on him if he ever did that again.

                   

                  Tell me, because I was against the Iraq War, what lies did Bush tell Congress?  Keep in mind that Hussein put out false intelegence to make the US, Iranians and Israelites think he had a nuclear bomb.  He wanted us to think he did, because he thought we'd leave him alone if he had them.

                  Thumbs Up

                  Maybe googly will give you an honest response now that's he's through pretending that he's not a leftwing loon promoting an agenda anymore.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    Excellamundo, CD!  Thumbs Up

                    Ridge, I don't have a problem with anyone stating their opinion on here...After all,,, its a discussion....But the ones who can't back up their opinions with verifiable facts need to really come into the 21st century about being credible.........We aren't talking about whether you like the taste of  a meal or chocolate cake.  The topic I thought was about what is best for the country, or "Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?"...........
                            I truly am amazed at some of the people thinking that the USA should have more government control and disguise it as "paying more than your fair share" or  "redistributive wealth" Dupe Alert That is not what our founding fathers ideas for this country was built upon nor was it what they fought for some 235-240 years ago. People thinking the government does a better job at making things better like running a business ought to take a look at the Post Office or Amtrak.
                    Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said,"

                    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

                     

                    A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. "

                    Stay Positive, Believe and good things will come your way

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                      Here's what the title should have read

                      I hope you vote for the people who will force you to support me because it will be just like winning the lottery.

                      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                      For a lead role in a cage?

                       

                                                                  From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

                        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                        Ridge, I don't have a problem with anyone stating their opinion on here...After all,,, its a discussion....But the ones who can't back up their opinions with verifiable facts need to really come into the 21st century about being credible.........We aren't talking about whether you like the taste of  a meal or chocolate cake.  The topic I thought was about what is best for the country, or "Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?"...........
                                I truly am amazed at some of the people thinking that the USA should have more government control and disguise it as "paying more than your fair share" or  "redistributive wealth" Dupe Alert That is not what our founding fathers ideas for this country was built upon nor was it what they fought for some 235-240 years ago. People thinking the government does a better job at making things better like running a business ought to take a look at the Post Office or Amtrak.
                        Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said,"

                        The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

                         

                        A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. "

                        Roger that, CD.

                        But this thread never was about opinion, that was all a ruse.

                        This thread was leftwing loon propaganda from the very first post.

                        He lied and denied for a while and then just gave up and put his real hate-based message out there.

                        I think googley is just a little too high-strung is all.

                        The poor soul.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          CDanaT - We aren't talking about whether you like the taste of  a meal or chocolate cake.  The topic I thought was about what is best for the country, or "Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?"........... 

                          rdgrnr- But this thread never was about opinion, that was all a ruse.  This thread was leftwing loon propaganda from the very first post.

                           sully16 -  Here's what the title should have read  I hope you vote for the people who will force you to support me because it will be just like winning the lottery 


                          Sounds like y'all have wrapped it up pretty well! 

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                            CDanaT - We aren't talking about whether you like the taste of  a meal or chocolate cake.  The topic I thought was about what is best for the country, or "Should you vote for and support policies that benefit only the rich as you wait to win the lottery?"........... 

                            rdgrnr- But this thread never was about opinion, that was all a ruse.  This thread was leftwing loon propaganda from the very first post.

                             sully16 -  Here's what the title should have read  I hope you vote for the people who will force you to support me because it will be just like winning the lottery 


                            Sounds like y'all have wrapped it up pretty well! 

                            He should have just started a blog, I really do like chocolate ice cream, LOL

                            Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                            For a lead role in a cage?

                             

                                                                        From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                              He should have just started a blog, I really do like chocolate ice cream, LOL

                              Coffee (coffee flavored icecream over here please)

                                 
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