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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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"Of course the play of one player will affect the outcome of a specific hand, but it won't affect the ODDS of any outcome on any given hand, so you don't have to worry about it."

You don't get it because you never played the game. You've never had a big bet in circle, double up and watch some fool take make a stupid play. Use some of your math knowledge and figure the difference between winning $200 and losing $200.

"you can look it up on plenty of websites, books, etc. to confirm it"

The people writing the books will say other players often effect the outcomes because they actually played the game with real money. That PC Blackjack and poker game you're practicing on isn't the real thing.

"instead of just spewing whatever crap you learned from other horrible blackjack players."

There is nothing but picking up your chips and moving to another table you can learn from the players that can't add. Come back when you played real Blackjack with real money in a real casino and then will talk. Nobody cares how much imaginary money you won PC Blackjack and poker.

Bet you're a card playing legend in your own mind.

I never said a legend, in fact I said I know how to do it but likely never will.

 

Second of all, if you had the patience to read what Id written, you'd know that I have played blackjack in a sasino, with real money.

 

You asked me if it has been proven, or if I was guessing.  I'm telling you it's been proven, and you can look it up.  Instead you continue to make dumb suggestions based on flawed logic while refusing to look up the truth.  I don't mean to be rude here, but you are IGNORANT.  You are the very definition of ignorant.

 

You are annoying, you put words in people's mouth, ignore what they've said, ask questions with no intention of every paying attention to the answer.  You reguse to learn.  If anybody disagrees with you you just try so hard to tell them they're wrong.  It doesn't matter that you admit you don't know the math, it doesn't matter that you can easily find the info.  You fight tooth and nail till the bitter end to try to suggest you are right without thinking for a second that anybody who didn't already agree with you might be right, even in a field you clearly know next to NOTHING about.  You are full of yourself and you think that your age means you know more about things you've never bothered to study, and these things are easy to look up.  Go ahead, keep living in your fantasy world where math only applies HOW you want it to, so that in your head the math doesn't hold up for you.

 

I've already said I'm not going to give you a lesson in card counting, but the truth is that you are too dumb to understand it.  I realize that's insulting, but I have no other words for you.  You could probably be a lot smarter, if you weren't so dang ignorant that you won't listen to nayone who isn't already agreeing with your warped view of the world.

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    Since I can't post it here, why don't you do a simple google search for "dealers bust card myth" and find out whether or not other players affect your odds.

     

    I'm 100% sure you'll find out they don't.  Of course, you're free to believe that they do affect your odds and the Earth is flat.

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      Jimmy is now ragging on BobP with his pessimistic mumbo jumbo. Us optimists know our chances of winning are better when we successfully eliminate some of the 51 MM numbers that won't be drawn, but the pessimists can't comprehend the meaning of the word success.

      Except you won't know until after the drawing whether or not you had any "success", so you can't say whether your chances or odds or whatever you want to call it are better.  (Better than what? Quick Picks?)  Until the drawing occurs, your chances are just as good (or bad) as anyone else's.

      It's Schrödinger's Lottery Machine.  Either your numbers will come up or they won't.  However, the only way to find out is to run the machine.

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        "There has been very little, if any, honest discussion about more effective playing strategies."

        I haven't been much help in that department either because I need a starting point. How would begin to pick a group of 28 numbers?

        How would ANYONE go about picking a group of 28 numbers?  If we're still hanging on to the fallacy that there's a point to this thread,  I would think that question is the frontrunner to fill that position.

        To his credit, Ronnie started out with an idea on one way to pick the numbers, but he abandoned that fairly quickly and now seems to be fixated on "intuition".

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          Posted: February 3, 2013, 5:37 am - IP Logged

          "There has been very little, if any, honest discussion about more effective playing strategies."

          Funny, because I don't see how playing a group of 28 numbers as a strategy could possibly be considered dishonest? After All we are talking about a game that has 3.8 million combination just to hit 5 of 5.

          A group of 28 numbers represents a mere 2.6% of the total combinations.

          Should I even go further with this "honest discussion" knowing that mediabrat has been derogatory and contentious from the first post on this thread found on page 2.......?

          Don't be obtuse.  Playing the numbers isn't much of a strategy if you can't (or won't) figure out a way of arriving at those numbers.  Using "intuition" is just another way of saying "guess", which is just as random as buying a stack of Quick Picks.

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            Posted: February 3, 2013, 5:39 am - IP Logged

            I totally agree with Floyd. Once the balls go round and round,  there is no way to tell which ones are gonna come out of the shoot. All the machine is doing is rolling them suckers, the balls being numbered don't mean a hill of beans, its totally random.
            If it was not random- it would then mean the game is illegal because someone would have figured out a way to beat the system and that has not happened nor will it.

            I Agree!   You can't beat random.

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              How would ANYONE go about picking a group of 28 numbers?  If we're still hanging on to the fallacy that there's a point to this thread,  I would think that question is the frontrunner to fill that position.

              To his credit, Ronnie started out with an idea on one way to pick the numbers, but he abandoned that fairly quickly and now seems to be fixated on "intuition".

              Sounds like you and some of Ronnie's other critics are down on him for not producing a system of picking winners that others could duplicate but he started this thread hoping others could contribute ideas that would help him.  I'm sure the responses of his critics have been as disappointing to Ronnie as his thread has been to them.

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                Posted: February 3, 2013, 9:11 am - IP Logged

                Sounds like you and some of Ronnie's other critics are down on him for not producing a system of picking winners that others could duplicate but he started this thread hoping others could contribute ideas that would help him.  I'm sure the responses of his critics have been as disappointing to Ronnie as his thread has been to them.

                Well RJ, that's the problem. People like you, Ronnie, RL, and others will try post strategies and ideas, and within a page or 2 the same critics will hijack the thread with insults and criticism instead of contributing anything useful. And to me that is what LP is about, sharing ideas to win the lottery. Not turn threads into pi$$ing matches.

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                  Posted: February 3, 2013, 11:46 am - IP Logged

                  Since I can't post it here, why don't you do a simple google search for "dealers bust card myth" and find out whether or not other players affect your odds.

                   

                  I'm 100% sure you'll find out they don't.  Of course, you're free to believe that they do affect your odds and the Earth is flat.

                  Really boney, other players don't affect how the cards fall or odds? That sounds absurd. That is like saying a poker game is exactly the same no matter if its a 7 player game or heads up? Your a sick puppy boney. (That,s a figure of speak btw, I'm not saying that you are in fact a sick puppy)


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                    Posted: February 3, 2013, 11:50 am - IP Logged

                    Well RJ, that's the problem. People like you, Ronnie, RL, and others will try post strategies and ideas, and within a page or 2 the same critics will hijack the thread with insults and criticism instead of contributing anything useful. And to me that is what LP is about, sharing ideas to win the lottery. Not turn threads into pi$$ing matches.

                    I Agree! But as long as we don't give up our ideas or quite posting, their hijack attempt is unsuccessful.


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                      I Agree!   You can't beat random.

                                                     But you can overcome the odds.

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                        Don't be obtuse.  Playing the numbers isn't much of a strategy if you can't (or won't) figure out a way of arriving at those numbers.  Using "intuition" is just another way of saying "guess", which is just as random as buying a stack of Quick Picks.

                        Mediabrat
                        I have a workout where past drawings are broken into specific groups and sequences to facilitate tracking and study.
                        I then analyze this  'how much and how often' data for clues on what might happen next.
                        Intuition is a major consideration when I choose specific digits to play.
                        Sure, guesswork is involved. That's life.
                        When folks buy quick picks they are at the mercy of the random number generator in the lottery terminal where they make a contribution to the state's monetary fund.  They have no say whatever. You get what you get, case closed.
                        So, I beg to differ - there is a difference between  educated guesswork and blind acceptance of quick picks.


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                          Well RJ, that's the problem. People like you, Ronnie, RL, and others will try post strategies and ideas, and within a page or 2 the same critics will hijack the thread with insults and criticism instead of contributing anything useful. And to me that is what LP is about, sharing ideas to win the lottery. Not turn threads into pi$$ing matches.

                          RcbBuckeye,

                          You're right, there is a problem here. But the problem is not being created by Mediabrat, Yoho, Boney526, myself, and others who understand probability. The problem lies with those who refuse to face the facts and references that we present to them, and stubbornly persist in their illogical beliefs, most of them based in a blind faith in The Gambler's Fallacy. When you say,

                          "...instead of contributing anything useful..."

                          ... we have no choice but to show you that there is NO WAY to increase your overall winnings. If you consider this not useful information, it is your problem, not ours. If you read Paulos' book, Innumeracy, you will understand why I post what I do...

                          To stand by, and through silence, allow people to wallow around in ignorance, when our country is falling behind every year in math and science, is not acceptable.

                          In my own case, I have been contributing [what I consider to be] a VERY USEFUL insight into lottery play since the second week of my posting here, over 2 1/2 years ago. It is DEFINITELY TRUE that you CAN effect the DISTRIBUTION of your winnings by employing various betting strategies. For the most part, these methods are based on the simple idea of putting as many numbers into play as you can afford in one draw. What this does is increase your "NUMBER OF WINNING TICKETS," while at the same time decreasing the average value of these tickets. In the long run, your "Prize Ratio" will approach that of the people who choose numbers NOT RECENTLY SEEN (Gambler's Fallacy), numbers RECENTLY SEEN (Hot Hand Fallacy), or those who merely select random numbers.

                          For those who say I contribute nothing useful, if you check out one of my earliest posts, you will have to admit that I have at least been consistent. (See the link below)

                          Spend some time perusing the Prediction Boards here at LP, taking note of the Hit Ratios and Prize Ratios of predictors with at least tens of thousands of predictions in a given game. LotteryPost.com has the potential to increase math and science knowledge as well as provide a place for people to express their dreams, communicate, and have fun.

                          IMHO, to be successful, it does not need to propagate Innumeracy.

                          --Jimmy4164

                          p.s. https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/218174/1728520

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                            Except you won't know until after the drawing whether or not you had any "success", so you can't say whether your chances or odds or whatever you want to call it are better.  (Better than what? Quick Picks?)  Until the drawing occurs, your chances are just as good (or bad) as anyone else's.

                            It's Schrödinger's Lottery Machine.  Either your numbers will come up or they won't.  However, the only way to find out is to run the machine.

                            "Except you won't know until after the drawing whether or not you had any "success", so you can't say whether your chances or odds or whatever you want to call it are better."

                            The results are the measurement of success or failure and the odds are the ratio of chances to fail compared to chances to succeed. Without the results, you'll never know if 28 of the 51 numbers that can't possibly be drawn were successfully be illuminated. After successfully illuminating 28 numbers there are 98,280 possible outcomes, for every one of those outcomes you have, your chances of winning become better. The reason for making that or any bet is based on being successful so you make your bet and wait for the results.

                            "(Better than what? Quick Picks?)"

                            I agree a player doesn't know they will be successful before the drawing, but they are simply betting on being successful. A $15 QP is betting one of their 15 tickets will be successful in matching five numbers and get odds of 254,654 to 1. For the same amount with the same odds, another player could bet a certain number will be drawn, use all the other numbers, and if successful it guarantees having at least four two number matches. 

                            "Until the drawing occurs, your chances are just as good (or bad) as anyone else's."

                            If you're chances can be no worse, why not make a bet, if successful will increase your chances of winning?

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                              Really boney, other players don't affect how the cards fall or odds? That sounds absurd. That is like saying a poker game is exactly the same no matter if its a 7 player game or heads up? Your a sick puppy boney. (That,s a figure of speak btw, I'm not saying that you are in fact a sick puppy)

                              No it's not, and it's true. 

                               

                              Anything can "sound absurd" but when I'm telling you all you have to do is a google search to find out and you still just interject with your opinion without looking up the facts, you're the one being ignorant.

                               

                              And it's nothing like a poker game.  They are completely different.  It's more like saying that you have the same odds of being dealt AA in a 7 person game or heads up.  The odds of that AA holding up might be different, b/c of the additional players you have to beat, but in blackjack, the odds are the same because you only have to beat the dealer.  The other players are mathemetically ireelevant.

                               

                              The other playres affect HOW the cards fall, but not the odds of how the cards may fall.  They are just as likely to hurt you as they are to help you.  But you can just use use google - but I know that you will choose instead to stay in blissful ignorance.

                                 
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